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Post subject: The official bring Durant to the Clippers thread
Posted: May 24, 2009 - 07:40 PM PST
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Alright my quest for Blake Griffin is nearing an end. I prayed, I b*tched, I argued, I fell asleep during the draft lottery and as luck would have it we pick #1.
Now on to bigger and better things. Wait Rockford, can it get better than Blake Griffin? You little rascals you why yes it can!
In 2010 Kevin Durant is up for free agency, although a restricted free agent it would take a lot to pry him away from OKC 1 year earlier than they wish. They would surely try everything they could to match any offer to give him one more year to see the light in OKC. If the light means being called racial slurs, and living in an area where Work Boots sell more than Nikes then by all means, stay in OKC.
However in 2011 ( when I believe Zbos ridiculously awful contract is up ) he is a free agent for anyone to offer anything to.
I say we don't wait until 2011. Camby will more than likely sign somewhere he sees as the best chance for him to win a championship before he up and retires, probably for a 1-3 million dollar deal. However that leaves us with some free cap space, and I believe we should have a few extra bucks that year as well.
That being said Clipper fans think of this.... Durant, Gordon, Griffin - the NBA's biggest and best big 3 in teh NBA. Not to mention they will all be what, less than 22 years old? Think of this, Jordan is yet another year moving closer to max potential, Thornton is our 6th man off the bench, if we keep Kaman we will have a top 5-8 Center in the league. Baron if hes still here will be serviceable for another 1-2 and we will have multiple first round picks potentially in 2010 or 2011 when we get Minnys to make a move to get a good PG via the draft.
Heres a Kevin Durant countdown clock for you all to enjoy
http://iwantoutofokc.com/
I am not sure if we can toss XX milions of dollars at him I think you can only offer someone who is coming out of there rookie contract a certain amount of cash although I may be wrong.
However we could offer a hefty sum for Durant to pry him away from OKC, we could also toss in Minny's first and our first in the same draft in a sign and trade for Durant. They are going to lose him anyways, might as well sign him for what we can pay him and we can compensate you for your loss. Sorry OKC your little experiment won't work. Prepare to see a team in Kansas City again.
So here we are folks, counting down the days until Durant has the chance to leave, and possibly come visit us in Los Angeles as our new Kobe, but for OUR team. Durant can easily take over the marketing void for an NBA player left by Kobe in 2010, or 2011. His potential is limitless and his current value is top 5 in the NBA. This could be our last piece for a dynasty if all turns out well.
Gordon and Griffin are here. We have other young talent as well. Durant could turn us into a team that will be compared to teams like the 90s Bulls, 50's/60's Celtics, 2000's Spurs and Lakers etc. etc. etc. |
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Post subject: RE: The official bring Durant to the Clippers thread
Posted: May 24, 2009 - 07:46 PM PST
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| Let's be realistic Rockford. I'm not trying to be a downer, but this will NEVER happen. NEVER. Focus on what will happen, and that's Blake Griffin coming to LA. That's very exciting in it's own right, not only because of Griffin himself but also the implications on the rest of the roster, and seeing what Dunleavy can salvage for one of the extra bigs now. But let's be realistic and take it one year at a time right now. |
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Post subject: RE: The official bring Durant to the Clippers thread
Posted: May 24, 2009 - 07:52 PM PST
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| I have to send this to the trade ideas thread. This will surely never happen, this is only a idea with no media mention of it, therefor, all this is , is a trade idea ...sorry Rockford. |
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| I love your optimism man, but let's slow down a bit. Let's just enjoy finally lucking out and potentially getting a franchise player in Griffin to hopefully turn this franchise around. We'll see how that situation plays out with Durant and the Thunder, but I'm not holding my breath. |
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Post subject: Re: The official bring Durant to the Clippers thread
Posted: May 24, 2009 - 07:56 PM PST
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Now on to bigger and better things. Wait Rockford, can it get better than Blake Griffin? You little rascals you why yes it can!
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Post subject: RE: Re: The official bring Durant to the Clippers thread
Posted: May 24, 2009 - 08:31 PM PST
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Hey Clipper Nation!
I write and record an nba draft site and podcast - nbadraftdaycountdown - itunes search nbadraftday. We are looking to get one or two fans to come on and speak on behalf of Clipper fans for our recording this week - probably tuesday night about 8pm PST. Feel free to check out the site, and the article I wrote this week about the Clipjoint. I suspect many of your knowledge on the team far outweighs mine - hence why we are looking for your expertise. Feel free to get back to me at nbadraftday @ gmail if you are interested.
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ekker3 wrote:
sunnydrew3 wrote:
Read this trade on another forum......I kind of like it but would rather go for a little higher pick if we were trading kaman before the draft.
Mavs get Kaman
Blazers get Jason Terry
Clippers get Steve Blake (Solid backup PG), Travis Outlaw (Solid backup SF), and then one or both of the #22 pick (from dallas) and #24 pick (from portland)
if kaman is traded we end up with:
camby at center (who's incredibly injury prone and will miss plenty of games) and a RAW and DEFICIENT DJ as his backup. everyone else on the roster is too small to play the position. there's not too many 7 footers in the NBA to begin with, and kaman happens to be one of them.
I think DeAndre can handle it, and we'll just have to live with the growing pains. This past season he would likely have averaged a double-double playing starters minutes. I expect him to improve a good bit into next season to boot. The thought of the super athletic tandem of Jordan and Griffin down low is exciting...
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I also agree that DJ can step in if Camby gets injured if Kaman isn’t around. All I think DJ needs is more minutes to develop. I was kind of angry at the end of last season when DJ wouldn’t get minutes. Hopefully Dunleavy was just showcasing Kaman for trades this offseason.
Here are my ideas for filling our roster holes next season and also shedding cap space for 2010 and 2011.It would be great to have Durant around in 2010 but we still need another veteran SF for next season. I have some confidence in Baron but it would take a miracle for Sticky to get back to his old form. Kaman for Josh Howard works in the time frame that we can still make a run at Durant. This will solve our logjam of big men and give us a decent SF next season also. Gerald Wallace would be good also but he has 3 seasons remaining on his contract that would limit our flexibility.
It would be great to have 20mil of cap space the season Camby comes off the books without moving Zack. With 20mil of cap space in 2010 and 15mil coming off in 2011 we can really make some noise in the free agent market. Hinrich is unrestricted in 2011 and I’m sure we would have enough to pay him. In a year our young talent will be more developed and we will look much more attractive to free agents. |
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Post subject: What if Clippers decided to trade away the #1 pick?
Posted: May 25, 2009 - 02:17 AM PST
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Ok, I haven't seen this idea out there really, so let me throw it out there. Just an idea, so don't get mad.
What if the Clippers decided to not keep any of their draft picks this year, but instead squeeze the value of the picks to improve the team, clear out bad contracts and improve team chemistry?
So you first trade the #1 down to the #2, so you make the Grizzlies this one-time offer (they either accept it or you just draft Griffin):
Grizzlies:
#2
Rudy Gay (SF) (3.3M)
Darko Milicic (C) (7.5M Expiring)
Clippers:
#1 (Griffin)
Baron Davis (PG) (12M)
Grizzlies have to eat from their cap the extra 1.2M salary.
Then you make the next trade from #2 down to #4 with Sacramento (they either accept it or you draft Rubio to replace Davis):
Kings:
#4
Jason Thompson (PF) (2M)
Kenny Thomas (PF) (8.8M Expiring)
Clippers:
#2 (Rubio)
Zach Randolph (16M)
Kings have to eat from their cap the extra 5.2M salary.
Then you need to dump the #4 for some decent players and/or expirings. Portland would love to have the #4 to pick the cream of the point guard crop, so let's pick them for the trade:
Trailblazers:
Sergio Rodriguez (PF) (1.9M Expiring if team option declined)
Travis Outlaw (SF/PF) (4.0M Expiring)
#24
Clippers:
#4
Clippers have to eat from their cap the extra 5.9M salary. But these are good players on the end of their really cheap contracts.
So then that's it. With the #24 and all the rest of the clipper picks, they then draft prospects that can be signed cheaply.
So, for the #1 picks, they have netted the following:
7.5M+8.8M+5.9M = 22.2M Expiring for 2010
1.2M+5.2M-5.9M = 0.5M Added instantly to cap
Got rid of Baron Davis and Zach Randolph.
Got young talent:
Rudy Gay
Darko Milicic
Jason Thompson
Sergio Rodriguez
Travis Outlaw
Also picked up just as expiring:
Kenny Thomas
Some may want to move Darko over to this list
Finally, picked up the #24 pick for a young cheap prospect.
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Post subject: RE: What if Clippers decided to trade away the #1 pick?
Posted: May 25, 2009 - 02:39 AM PST
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IMHO trading Griffin would be insane. Baron/Zach/Kaman are probably here to stay- I'm not sure who would take their contracts. We might be able to move Camby to fill our needs.
We definitely need a defensive minded swing man off the bench, and more unselfish good passers. Right now we have too many players who like to shoot and not enough ball distributors/play makers. |
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That's very elaborate, and actually not a bad scheme...
However after last seasons overhaul i think the F/O will probably look to seem more stable this season. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: What if Clippers decided to trade away the #1 pick?
Posted: May 25, 2009 - 07:54 AM PST
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david wrote:
IMHO trading Griffin would be insane. Baron/Zach/Kaman are probably here to stay- I'm not sure who would take their contracts. We might be able to move Camby to fill our needs.
We definitely need a defensive minded swing man off the bench, and more unselfish good passers. Right now we have too many players who like to shoot and not enough ball distributors/play makers.
Yes. Definetelly we shouldn't trade the first pick to get a player like Rubio with the second pick.
Rubio as I've pointed out in another topic has NOT proved to deserve to be picked with the first 5 picks in a regular draft...In fact, he hasn't been chosen in the best starting five in ACB so that's why I can't understand all the buzz he has generated in NBA |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: What if Clippers decided to trade away the #1 pi
Posted: May 25, 2009 - 10:26 AM PST
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Rumors are rumors and i know everyone wants us to trade our pick but here's another blurb on the Clipps.
NBA sources continue to indicate that the Los Angeles Clippers are entertaining offers for the #1 pick. Despite their initial comments made on draft night about having already decided to pick Blake Griffin, they are keeping all their options open for now. “From what I understand, they didn’t want to sound uncertain on draft night, since that’s a typical Clippers reaction. This is a very important time for them in terms of season ticket renewals, which is why they had that kneejerk reaction.”
That would be very infuriating if this was all just to get people to renew there season tickets. Again it's just a rumor and ever since we received the first pick this is all we've been hearing but we also are aware of our history. I don't see how they can back off of Blake now after how they've been flinging his name around. Not to mention Baron talking about him all of last week and Now Camby is talking about him. Would they really manipulate their fans like that. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: What if Clippers decided to trade away the #1 pi
Posted: May 25, 2009 - 11:36 AM PST
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Post subject: Re: What if Clippers decided to trade away the #1 pick?
Posted: May 25, 2009 - 01:18 PM PST
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sfernald wrote:
Ok, I haven't seen this idea out there really, so let me throw it out there. Just an idea, so don't get mad.
What if the Clippers decided to not keep any of their draft picks this year, but instead squeeze the value of the picks to improve the team, clear out bad contracts and improve team chemistry?
So you first trade the #1 down to the #2, so you make the Grizzlies this one-time offer (they either accept it or you just draft Griffin):
Grizzlies:
#2
Rudy g** (SF) (3.3M)
Darko Milicic (C) (7.5M Expiring)
Clippers:
#1 (Griffin)
Baron Davis (PG) (12M)
Grizzlies have to eat from their cap the extra 1.2M salary.
Then you make the next trade from #2 down to #4 with Sacramento (they either accept it or you draft Rubio to replace Davis):
Kings:
#4
Jason Thompson (PF) (2M)
Kenny Thomas (PF) (8.8M Expiring)
Clippers:
#2 (Rubio)
Zach Randolph (16M)
Kings have to eat from their cap the extra 5.2M salary.
Then you need to dump the #4 for some decent players and/or expirings. Portland would love to have the #4 to pick the cream of the point guard crop, so let's pick them for the trade:
Trailblazers:
Sergio Rodriguez (PF) (1.9M Expiring if team option declined)
Travis Outlaw (SF/PF) (4.0M Expiring)
#24
Clippers:
#4
Clippers have to eat from their cap the extra 5.9M salary. But these are good players on the end of their really cheap contracts.
So then that's it. With the #24 and all the rest of the clipper picks, they then draft prospects that can be signed cheaply.
So, for the #1 picks, they have netted the following:
7.5M+8.8M+5.9M = 22.2M Expiring for 2010
1.2M+5.2M-5.9M = 0.5M Added instantly to cap
Got rid of Baron Davis and Zach Randolph.
Got young talent:
Rudy g**
Darko Milicic
Jason Thompson
Sergio Rodriguez
Travis Outlaw
Also picked up just as expiring:
Kenny Thomas
Some may want to move Darko over to this list
Finally, picked up the #24 pick for a young cheap prospect.
So what do you guys think? Not too bad you think???
I'll tell you right now, this would make the Clippers worse. MUCH worse. They need to establish chemistry and continuity and overhauling the roster every year isn't the way to do that. Not to mention the personnel they would receive in thish hypothical situation would be an obvious downgrade to current personnel. And also, don't get on the front office too much for entertaining offers. They're just doing good business and looking to do the best thing to help their team win. And they know that's choosing Griffin. But if some other team offers them a real good young player and a high pick along with a way to get rid of Z-bo, they'll think about it. Bottom line you have to keep all options open to make sure you make the best decision, and even the Clippers know that and know that right now the best decision is still choosing Blake Griffin. |
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Post subject: Re: What if Clippers decided to trade away the #1 pick?
Posted: May 25, 2009 - 01:51 PM PST
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sfernald wrote:
Ok, I haven't seen this idea out there really, so let me throw it out there. Just an idea, so don't get mad.
What if the Clippers decided to not keep any of their draft picks this year, but instead squeeze the value of the picks to improve the team, clear out bad contracts and improve team chemistry?
So you first trade the #1 down to the #2, so you make the Grizzlies this one-time offer (they either accept it or you just draft Griffin):
Grizzlies:
#2
Rudy g** (SF) (3.3M)
Darko Milicic (C) (7.5M Expiring)
Clippers:
#1 (Griffin)
Baron Davis (PG) (12M)
Grizzlies have to eat from their cap the extra 1.2M salary.
Then you make the next trade from #2 down to #4 with Sacramento (they either accept it or you draft Rubio to replace Davis):
Kings:
#4
Jason Thompson (PF) (2M)
Kenny Thomas (PF) (8.8M Expiring)
Clippers:
#2 (Rubio)
Zach Randolph (16M)
Kings have to eat from their cap the extra 5.2M salary.
Then you need to dump the #4 for some decent players and/or expirings. Portland would love to have the #4 to pick the cream of the point guard crop, so let's pick them for the trade:
Trailblazers:
Sergio Rodriguez (PF) (1.9M Expiring if team option declined)
Travis Outlaw (SF/PF) (4.0M Expiring)
#24
Clippers:
#4
Clippers have to eat from their cap the extra 5.9M salary. But these are good players on the end of their really cheap contracts.
So then that's it. With the #24 and all the rest of the clipper picks, they then draft prospects that can be signed cheaply.
So, for the #1 picks, they have netted the following:
7.5M+8.8M+5.9M = 22.2M Expiring for 2010
1.2M+5.2M-5.9M = 0.5M Added instantly to cap
Got rid of Baron Davis and Zach Randolph.
Got young talent:
Rudy g**
Darko Milicic
Jason Thompson
Sergio Rodriguez
Travis Outlaw
Also picked up just as expiring:
Kenny Thomas
Some may want to move Darko over to this list
Finally, picked up the #24 pick for a young cheap prospect.
So what do you guys think? Not too bad you think???
That'd be great if we were in cost cutting mode and we actually pulled that off. However we aren't. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: What if Clippers decided to trade away the #1 pick?
Posted: May 25, 2009 - 08:40 PM PST
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| guys, the bulls said that their #1 priority is to sign ben gordon this summer. that means that if they sign him, they will most probably be in the luxury zone. and that means they have to trade one of their bad contracts(hinrich or deng) so they will have cap relief in 2010. i figure since they want to get an expiring contract, we give them camby and we tell em they have to take zbo, or else we wont give camby, so they will be forced to take him too. they can give us hinrich and deng. we can play deng at backup SF and hinrich at backup pg/sg. they get the cap relief of camby, plus his inside defense and veteran leadership. and they get a beast scorer in zbo. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: What if Clippers decided to trade away the #1 pick?
Posted: May 26, 2009 - 01:09 PM PST
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| I'm still feeling draft Blake Griffin and trade Zbo for Richard Jefferson. Do you even think the Bucks would do it? |
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Post subject: RE: Re: What if Clippers decided to trade away the #1 pick?
Posted: May 26, 2009 - 01:37 PM PST
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| Trade kaman for Shawn Marion |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: What if Clippers decided to trade away the #1 pi
Posted: May 26, 2009 - 02:11 PM PST
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tdots wrote:
I'm still feeling draft Blake Griffin and trade Zbo for Richard Jefferson. Do you even think the Bucks would do it?
I think that's our best bet at moving Zach. The Bucks are preparing for the worst (losing Sessions and Villanueva) so Zach would in theory help them out a lot. But he has a heft contract and doesn't bring much "team" spirit lol. Guess it depends on the Bucks future plans. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: What if Clippers decided to trade away the #1 pi
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Derty_Bert wrote:
Trade kaman for Shawn Marion
Why people dont realize we cant do this I will never know.
YOu cannot trade a player whose contract is up. Just like the Jazz cant trade Milsap or Boozer right now because they arent under contract. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: What if Clippers decided to trade away the #1 pi
Posted: May 26, 2009 - 03:14 PM PST
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Rockford wrote:
Derty_Bert wrote:
Trade kaman for Shawn Marion
Why people dont realize we cant do this I will never know.
YOu cannot trade a player whose contract is up. Just like the Jazz cant trade Milsap or Boozer right now because they arent under contract.
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: What if Clippers decided to trade away the #1 pi
Posted: May 26, 2009 - 04:34 PM PST
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Rockford wrote:
Derty_Bert wrote:
Trade kaman for Shawn Marion
Why people dont realize we cant do this I will never know.
YOu cannot trade a player whose contract is up. Just like the Jazz cant trade Milsap or Boozer right now because they arent under contract.
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We can trade Kaman for Marion in a sign and trade with Toronto. This deal works 7 days a week. The problem is I wouldn't want to give Marion the same kind of money Kaman is making. |
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Posted: May 26, 2009 - 07:51 PM PST
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| Marion's garbage in nba circles now..and every GM knows he's going to fall off the planet once he signs his last nba contract for $10M/yr plus. |
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Posted: May 26, 2009 - 08:21 PM PST
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ekker3 wrote:
marion's game was exposed once he left the suns system.
On top of that, I heard he was constantly complaining in the locker room about money, that's the last thing we need. |
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Posted: May 26, 2009 - 08:26 PM PST
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| yes, i think we ALL learned last year how important chemistry is..talent doesn't win games, it's just something you need to win games, but talent won't win games for you. Hope this makes sense. |
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Posted: Jun 07, 2009 - 02:11 AM PST
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| I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SHANE BATTIER AND KIRK HINRICH ON THIS TEAM NEXT YEAR. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE MIKE DUNLEAVY FIRE HIMSELF AS COACH AND WIN GM OF THE YEAR. |
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Posted: Jun 07, 2009 - 09:53 PM PST
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| Trade baron and marty collins for anthony randolph and the warriors number 7 pick(Jennings, maybe curry, if holliday is still there). Then trade Zbo for RJ. If we do this we get rid of both randolph and barons contracts, free up room for Blake to play, and give us an amazing young group of talent to build around (Thornton, Gordon, (taylor), Deandre, blake, and the number 7 pick). I feel thats the best idea and most probable because the bucks gotta do something because theya re losing everyone now. |
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Posted: Jun 07, 2009 - 11:17 PM PST
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baby_dre_9 wrote:
Trade baron and marty collins for anthony randolph and the warriors number 7 pick... I feel thats the best idea and most probable because the bucks gotta do something because theya re losing everyone now.
Problem is, there's a salary cap in the NBA and the very first part of your trade doens't fit. |
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Posted: Jun 08, 2009 - 01:30 AM PST
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SamMays wrote:
baby_dre_9 wrote:
Trade baron and marty collins for anthony randolph and the warriors number 7 pick... I feel thats the best idea and most probable because the bucks gotta do something because theya re losing everyone now.
Problem is, there's a salary cap in the NBA and the very first part of your trade doens't fit.
Yeah i think we would have to take Maggette or Monta for that to go through. |
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Posted: Jun 08, 2009 - 04:01 AM PST
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| Trade Kaman or Camby to the Pacers for Dunleavy Jr. and Jarrett Jack. The Pacers could use a role model for Hibbert (Foster and Nesterovic are sub-par). Baron Davis gets a solid backup in JJ and Dunleavy Jr. can provide a spark off the bench while backing up both Al and EJ (he can take over the reigns from the failed Ricky Davis). Dunleavy Jr. will also make his father happy while choosing better looking suits for him. |
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Posted: Jun 08, 2009 - 10:45 AM PST
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MuteHaitian wrote:
Trade Kaman or Camby to the Pacers for Dunleavy Jr. and Jarrett Jack. The Pacers could use a role model for Hibbert (Foster and Nesterovic are sub-par). Baron Davis gets a solid backup in JJ and Dunleavy Jr. can provide a spark off the bench while backing up both Al and EJ (he can take over the reigns from the failed Ricky Davis). Dunleavy Jr. will also make his father happy while choosing better looking suits for him.
That one's not too bad, though I'd like to get a better backup to Baron than Jack... Remember, given the way Baron played last year, this guy could be getting 35 minutes a game  |
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Posted: Jun 08, 2009 - 07:44 PM PST
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How about Zach for Hinrich and Tim Thomas? I think we will hopefully trade for Hinrich anyways and Tim Thomas' contract gives us some cap flexibility when his contract expires at the same time as Camby's. I'm not sure if Chicago would want Zack but it would be a good move for us. I'm still hoping the Kaman would mesh well with Griffin if we can move Zach over Kaman. Having 16mil cleared for 2010 would be great.
I'm really not that thrilled about the prospect of having more than one Dunleavy in the Clippers organization, one is enough. However, Jack could be a solid backup to Baron. It kinda scares me that Dunleavy would make his son team captain and draw up all the plays for him. |
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Posted: Jun 08, 2009 - 08:16 PM PST
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SamMays wrote:
MuteHaitian wrote:
Trade Kaman or Camby to the Pacers for Dunleavy Jr. and Jarrett Jack. The Pacers could use a role model for Hibbert (Foster and Nesterovic are sub-par). Baron Davis gets a solid backup in JJ and Dunleavy Jr. can provide a spark off the bench while backing up both Al and EJ (he can take over the reigns from the failed Ricky Davis). Dunleavy Jr. will also make his father happy while choosing better looking suits for him.
That one's not too bad, though I'd like to get a better backup to Baron than Jack... Remember, given the way Baron played last year, this guy could be getting 35 minutes a game
Jack is solid! As a starter in 36 mpg he averaged 15.4 ppg, 4.6 apg, and 3.4 rpg and even 1.2 spg. And thats all with TJ taking away alot of the ball handling capabilities. That trade could be great if dun Jr. could play and not get injured |
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Posted: Jun 08, 2009 - 08:31 PM PST
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First, I think Jack is a solid backup. Didn't mean to demean him... It's just that with Baron as our starter, I want another starter to back him up (like Hinrich) because Baron has stolen all my trust. We need someone great in that spot.
Re: Zach for Hinrich (possibly with Thomas) is a rumor that's out there in a lot of places so there could be some truth to it. Usually, it's heard with Kaman though. I think Chicago might be the one place that's desperate enough to go after Zach, thinking his low post scoring might be enough to compensate for his myriad defficiencies on defense, passing and in terms of character. They've been close to being a good team for awhile and they might be able to fool themselves that Zach would be a better fit for them than Kaman. I doubt it though.
Clearly, I would be willing to trade Zach for simple cap relief. If we could get Hinrich for him, it would be a steal. |
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Posted: Jun 08, 2009 - 09:05 PM PST
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| actually, there have been rumors that cleveland will offer trades for zbo. im guessing they can trade a couple of expiring contract, i would love to take ben wallace, because he is retiring after this season, or better, this summer!!!!!! so thats 10 mil coming off the books with camby( we resign him for 3 mil later) and like another 10 mil coming off the books with wallace. that gives us 20 mil to spend on the superstar of our choice. we can give em 20 mil, a chance to play at the biggest market(they will basically get a **** load of money from advertisments and stuff), and we give em one more thing that the knicks and cavs cant give him[LeBron] is a complete team. the guy will ahve to rebuild if he goes to cle, and its not even that big of a market, and the rest of his team sucks. new york will have nothing, and he will not win a championship there for many years to come. he has the best chance to win one here in La, with the best supporting cast ANY player in NBA history can have. |
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Posted: Jun 08, 2009 - 09:45 PM PST
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We'd have to reup Al somewhere in there, or not if we attracted a big-time SF... Anything we can do to move Z-bo's contract will benefit the team more than having him on the roster...
Now, if we can just find a taker for Baron we'll be in business...
If Dunleavy had those two deals to all over again, wow, could we be sitting in a nice spot... |
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Posted: Jun 08, 2009 - 11:00 PM PST
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SamMays wrote:
We'd have to reup Al somewhere in there, or not if we attracted a big-time SF... Anything we can do to move Z-bo's contract will benefit the team more than having him on the roster...
Now, if we can just find a taker for Baron we'll be in business...
If Dunleavy had those two deals to all over again, wow, could we be sitting in a nice spot...
Based on last year I would say trading Baron would be terrific for us just because he played so poorly. But i do think he was put in a weird spot when he was lied to by Elton, then Dunleavy didn't give him the free-flowing offense he promised. I think as the season was winding down, he started to understand more and more what he needs to do.
Personally I think Baron is going to be beastly this year. Not only that, just watching the playoffs this year, we need to have a guy who is not afraid in the crunch time, and Baron fits the bill. |
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Posted: Jun 08, 2009 - 11:10 PM PST
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I used to like Baron, until I saw him play a bunch... Hopefully, he can regain form.
The problem that hasn't come up much is that Baron basically screwed Dunleavy big time. He quit on him, assuming that if we played poorly enough, Dunleavy would be fired and he'd get a new Baron-friendly coach that would let him do whatever the hell he wanted... There's nothing a player can do to his coach or his teammates worse than what Baron did last year... To me it's unforgiveable... But given the economics of the NBA and that Baron's awful year has made him a tough contract to move, they may well have to forgive and forget...
Still, there were a lot of rumors circulating last year, Baron to Houston for T-Mac, Baron for Maggette, Baron for Kidd... There has to be truth in them. Dunleavy must have hated his sorry ass (who wouldn't were they Dunleavy?) and wanted him out of here... He may still want him out and I wouldn't blame him... How do you ever trust that guy again?
And, at the end of the day, I don't want a Baron who does whatever he wants. I want a team oriented point guard, not a guy who feels he needs to be the star of the show all the time. He has little of Kobe's talent, determination or toughness.
Funny, but out of that 1999 draft big four of Brand, Francis, Baron and Odom, who would have ever thought Odom would be the dependable one? |
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Posted: Jun 08, 2009 - 11:45 PM PST
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| ^^ Odom isn't dependable. If there is any one that is hot & cold, it is Odom. I think Brand is the most consistent of the three. Just because Lamar is on a team that has a complete package, it doesn't mean he is dependable. I will say that for the Lakers to be unstoppable, they need Odom to be consistent. He still isn't...and they are not unstoppable. You put him on our team, he will just be another player with hollow,inconsistent stats. |
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Posted: Jun 09, 2009 - 12:32 AM PST
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clipper*joe wrote:
^^ Odom isn't dependable. If there is any one that is hot & cold, it is Odom. I think Brand is the most consistent of the three. Just because Lamar is on a team that has a complete package, it doesn't mean he is dependable. I will say that for the Lakers to be unstoppable, they need Odom to be consistent. He still isn't...and they are not unstoppable. You put him on our team, he will just be another player with hollow,inconsistent stats.
I would pay the mid level exception for Lamar, anything more than that is due to cause a LOT of frustration. He has had a horrible year, but I think a lot of GMs have a short memory so they are focusing on his performance thus far in the Finals. Honestly I could see a really dumb team offering him 15 million a year, my guess is Milwaukee or Chicago |
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Posted: Jun 09, 2009 - 04:47 AM PST
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I think lamar plays better when he has the ball and controls the flow, if he's not involved then he takes his self out the game.
Is it possible to get Livingston to backup Baron? I think he's in OKC, He wouldn't have to play a lot of mins and we would see plenty of lobs and pick and rolls to DeAndre "The Giant" and Blake Griffin in the kitchen. |
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Posted: Jun 09, 2009 - 10:58 AM PST
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When you look at those four, Brand screwed us by not staying... Baron screwed us by not showing up even though he was here... Francis is one of the biggest knuckleheads in the history of the game... By default, Odom is the man... Of course, he sort of screwed us too, but I think the brain cells that are supposed to remember that are dead.
And of course, Brand has been the consistent, solid citizen of that crazy bunch... But he's missed a lot of games the last few years making him rather, well, unreliable. |
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Posted: Jun 09, 2009 - 11:20 AM PST
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SamMays wrote:
When you look at those four, Brand screwed us by not staying... Baron screwed us by not showing up even though he was here... Francis is one of the biggest knuckleheads in the history of the game... By default, Odom is the man... Of course, he sort of screwed us too, but I think the brain cells that are supposed to remember that are dead.
And of course, Brand has been the consistent, solid citizen of that crazy bunch... But he's missed a lot of games the last few years making him rather, well, unreliable.
We are not talking about character...we are talking about dependability, right? If I had to choose between any of them as the most dependable on the COURT, I would choose Brand every single time. Injuries happen, looking for greener pastures happens, it's part of the game. Even Odom has done more than Brand as far as spitting on the team. Odom has and continues to do crap to us (i.e grab his crotch in disrespect after a dunk). The guy is not dependable. He can't even stay consistent long enough to keep a starter's job. When he is on, he is on but that is to few and far in between for my taste. Everyone knows he is the poster boy for underachieving. |
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Posted: Jun 09, 2009 - 12:55 PM PST
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| Clipper*Joe, I was being somewhat facitious when I said Odom was the most dependable... I don't think Odom is dependable by any standard other than by comparing him to Francis and Baron... The fact that Brand screwed us and has been injured just created a chance to make an argument about it... But, basically, I agree with you... If I look at that those four draft and could pick now (even with Elton hurt much of the last two years), it would be Brand, Odom, Baron and Francis... |
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Posted: Jun 18, 2009 - 07:26 PM PST
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What about a trade to New Jersey..
Randolph for Bobby Simmons and Yi Jianling?
Makes sense for both teams, sorta.
It'd give the Nets a proper starting PF. This is what I think has kept them out of the playoffs for the past couple years.. In trade, they'd only have to give up two players who have arguably struggled since joining their franchise.
At the moment, the only viable backup to Thornton we have is Davis. Not good. Simmons had his best season under Dunleavy, and could return to form. If not, he is still a reliable off the bench in a defensive capacity (if he stays healthy).
Yi can play the 3 or the 4.. and could give mis-matchup possibilities if we lose Kaman, Camby, or Griff to injury.
Neither of these players is going to set the world on fire. However, both can bolster our bench at the 3, where we SORELY lack depth. |
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Posted: Jun 18, 2009 - 07:36 PM PST
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| Anbody you can find to take Randolph, I'm all for... I'd trade him for a second round pick just to have his salary off our books. If you can bring in Simmon and Yi, better still, though I don't know what we'd do with Yi... Also, how many more years on Simmon's contract? I wouldn't want anyone who'd be an anchor. |
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Posted: Jun 18, 2009 - 09:25 PM PST
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| I am so excited for draft day. While we might simply draft Griffin and be done after that, I get the feeling we might swing a deal or two or try to make some sort of splash. |
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