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    Post subject: Which Teams Will be Moved?  PostPosted: Aug 08, 2009 - 11:39 AM PST
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    http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=13540


    here is the clippers part:


    The only other franchise with a chance to move is the Clippers, but that seems difficult as well.

    The franchise ranks 25th in overall value according to Forbes and they would greatly change their fortunes if they owned their own arena.

    On the other hand, the Clippers rent is less than $2 million per season and they're signed to that lease through 2014.

    But if the Kings or Clippers were to move, where would they go?

    lol we aint going anywhere, sterling just put a **** load of money into that new training facility, so that tells us we are locked in LA. YES!!!!!

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    Post subject: RE: Which Teams Will be Moved?  PostPosted: Aug 08, 2009 - 12:40 PM PST
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    Mexico City?

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    Post subject: RE: Which Teams Will be Moved?  PostPosted: Aug 08, 2009 - 04:47 PM PST
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    Sterling had plenty of opportunities to move the franchise... Anaheim was begging him to move the team down there... As long as he's the owner, we'll be in LA.
     
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    I agree...sterling owns a nice % of property in los angeles so moving is not an option as long as he's the owner
     
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    Post subject: RE: Which Teams Will be Moved?  PostPosted: Aug 08, 2009 - 07:05 PM PST
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    hopefully, cause i dnt want them to move, i love LA lol

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    Post subject: RE: Which Teams Will be Moved?  PostPosted: Aug 08, 2009 - 07:09 PM PST
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    If we had to move and I had to choose I'd say back to Diego, it's still SoCal and I could still make to games.

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    Post subject: RE: Which Teams Will be Moved?  PostPosted: Aug 08, 2009 - 08:43 PM PST
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    if we REALLY had to move, id choose anahiem, cause im like 40 mins away form there, but im 2hrs away from diego

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    I dont care...just as long as its in SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. SAN DIEGO, ANAHEIM, or Los Angeles' THE FORUM.

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    melaneeo0 wrote:
    I dont care...just as long as its in SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. SAN DIEGO, ANAHEIM, or Los Angeles' THE FORUM.


    Hopefully we don't go anywhere. I like having the Clips in L.A., but if they do lets hope it isn't far from So Cal. The Lakers should be the team to leave...let's give them back to Minnesota.
     
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    melaneeo0 wrote:
    I dont care...just as long as its in SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. SAN DIEGO, ANAHEIM, or Los Angeles' THE FORUM.



    lol the forum??????? hell no id be soo freaking scared to drive to inglewood for clipper games lol

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    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Which Teams Will be Moved?  PostPosted: Aug 09, 2009 - 03:28 AM PST
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    When the Clips do move I hope it will be in Anaheim, I am less than 20 min. away. Cool
     
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    No Change!...unless its to San Diego...and heck no to mexico city

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    if the team moves from LA to anywhere but Anaheim or SD theres no way im gonna be able to be a clipper fan anymore. thats the only thing that would make my allegiance change.
    a lot of former die-hard Sonic fans live in my dorm and they dont even follow the NBA anymore cuz they feel like they just got suckerpunched in the groin.
    & i have a feeling i would do something similar if it were to happen.

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    I read to the end of the article. the most likely to move are the kings to Anaheim or St louis. LOL how sUck would that be to have 3 teams within 30 min of each other.
     
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    LOL check this kids take on the CLIPPERS moving http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A83wGK_jNwQ

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    Post subject: Re: RE: Which Teams Will be Moved?  PostPosted: Aug 10, 2009 - 12:12 PM PST
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    clipperstown wrote:
    melaneeo0 wrote:
    I dont care...just as long as its in SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. SAN DIEGO, ANAHEIM, or Los Angeles' THE FORUM.



    lol the forum??????? hell no id be soo freaking scared to drive to inglewood for clipper games lol


    I live in Inglewood, right near Hollywood Park and the Forum. Ever since the Lakers and Kings left for Staples, the city has been trying to make up that lost revenue by building shopping centers and townhouses next to Hollywood Park. The Forum itself usually sits empty, except for the occassional concerts and filming for TV, movies, and commericals. Up until early this year, the church that currently owns the Forum had their Sunday morning church services, but no more.

    However, the Clippers (or another NBA team for that matter) could never move in the Forum as it...in comparsion to Staples Center, the seats at the Forum are too cramped, as well as the concourses. They would spend a lot of money to renovate the Forum to bring it to NBA standards, which would include adding luxury suites, which the Forum never had none of. But, it is an ideal location seeing as that it's not far at all from the team headquarters in Playa Vista...in fact, if you take the major roads heading west from the Forum, it's about 10-15 minutes away.
     
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    I live 1/3 of the way to Vegas from LA on old US66. Welcome to the Vegas Sippers.LOL

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    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Which Teams Will be Moved?  PostPosted: Aug 10, 2009 - 05:26 PM PST
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    I was always hoping they'd move to Anaheim. Maybe they can be the Los Angeles Clippers of Anaheim Laughing

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    The Asthmaheim Hoop Angels??LOL

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    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Which Teams Will be Moved?  PostPosted: Aug 10, 2009 - 10:31 PM PST
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    None this year

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    For all of DTS's faults i got to give it to him for keeping the team in this market with the other team across town. He went to school at Roosevelt in Los Angeles. He doesnt want to move the team anywhere. If a new owner were to come along, chances are we would be moved quickly. He's from here and wanted a team here, thats why he moved them from San Diego. Him wanting to keep them here is the one really good thing he has ever done.

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    MrHill wrote:
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    melaneeo0 wrote:
    I dont care...just as long as its in SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. SAN DIEGO, ANAHEIM, or Los Angeles' THE FORUM.



    lol the forum??????? hell no id be soo freaking scared to drive to inglewood for clipper games lol


    I live in Inglewood, right near Hollywood Park and the Forum. Ever since the Lakers and Kings left for Staples, the city has been trying to make up that lost revenue by building shopping centers and townhouses next to Hollywood Park. The Forum itself usually sits empty, except for the occassional concerts and filming for TV, movies, and commericals. Up until early this year, the church that currently owns the Forum had their Sunday morning church services, but no more.

    However, the Clippers (or another NBA team for that matter) could never move in the Forum as it...in comparsion to Staples Center, the seats at the Forum are too cramped, as well as the concourses. They would spend a lot of money to renovate the Forum to bring it to NBA standards, which would include adding luxury suites, which the Forum never had none of. But, it is an ideal location seeing as that it's not far at all from the team headquarters in Playa Vista...in fact, if you take the major roads heading west from the Forum, it's about 10-15 minutes away.


    That sounds awesome. I've always said that the Clippers should have their own arena. I'm still confused as to why they never went through with Hollywood Park back before Staples was built. Sterling kept complaining about the lack of suite revenue % that he would get at Staples so if he had his own crib, he would control all of that.

    Now, a Hollywood Park arena would seem to be too expensive but a renovated Forum would be a great idea. Have there ever been any substantial rumors regarding that? I used to love the Anaheim idea but with this practice facility being in Playa Vista, that would seem to put Anaheim out of the question.

    Or are there options for the practice facility if the Clips were to move south? For instance, could Sterling turn it into a business bldg. and rent out to tenants?

    Regardless, the Clips need their own crib. Playing at Staples, with the seats way the hell up there above all the suites, games on Saturday afternoon and Laker championship banners and retired numbers all over the place all make for a bad atmosphere.
     
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    I would like that too....but I told my Laker friends that and they said..."Hell no...too much Laker history goes in the forum." Which is kinda true.

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    melaneeo0 wrote:
    I would like that too....but I told my Laker friends that and they said..."Hell no...too much Laker history goes in the forum." Which is kinda true.


    This is true but Buss could've stayed and renovated the arena himself or even done the Hollywood Park thing like Sterling was going to. The fact that he followed the Kings downtown and brought all the history with him is enough to justify someone else making good use of the Forum.

    Still, I wonder what it would cost to build a new arena at Hollywood Park? The environmental impact report is already taken care of and the people that own the land are friends with Sterling. I have to think Inglewood land isn't as expensive as other places.

    By owning his own arena, Sterling would control the building and rake in revenue in ways that he can't at Staples. Restaurants, concessions, 100% of suite sales, parking and revenue from all the other events would go to his pocket instead of AEG's. In the long run, he and his heirs would be better off unless the price tag for a new arena these days is just way too high.
     
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    We arent going anywhere. WHy? 2 reason. Look at our talent on our roster, the sky is the limit with these guys so I doubt we'd move with our current talent. And why wouldnt we move with our current talent? Plain and simple, we are in one of the 3 largest markets in the United States. Once we start winning, the money is going to roll in. Red White and Blue colors are American colors, not that purple and gold crap.

    We start winning, people want to play here, people want to go to games. Even Laker and Clipper fans alike go to each others games when they can because they are basketball fans. Once we do well, I am sure even the Laker fans would come over just to watch some basketball when the Lakers arent at home.

    If we post a 30+ win season or better this year I guarantee we will be in the top 15 teams in the league the year after. And I bet we will rank 20th or higher after this year in value.

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    LOL check this kids take on the CLIPPERS moving


    Don't get me wrong. While I fully support the Clips getting out of Staples, I don't want to see them leave the metro area. That even means no to San Diego as it's not the LA metropolitan area. Besides, the city is bankrupt and they have priority issues with a new Charger football stadium. Not to mention that they've lost the NBA not once but twice with the Rockets and Clippers.

    One thing that the presenter left out was the fact that AEG is the one trying to build the Las Vegas arena. That means that Sterling wouldn't have to buy his way out of his lease. AEG owns the lease so no problems there since they're building the arena. Plus, Sterling would have no competition in the arena so he would control revenue while paying AEG to manage the place.

    Forget that though. A Hollywood Park crib with blue and red seats dedicated to nothing but the Clips would be awesome. I guess a guy can dream.
     
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    Bring them to Seattle!!!!! I've been converting fans for years and we STILL have a ton of die-hard bball fans. Heck, we jones so hard that WNBA games sell well here....
     
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    One thing to think about here...Staples Center was built for nearly $400 million, and that was ten years ago. In a market like Los Angeles, and seeing all of the newer arenas across the country being built for nearly as much, all within the last five years or so, the price tag I would imagine would be somewhere around $500 million. We all know that Sterling won't foot the bill himself, and public money (especially here in California) is out of the question, so it would have to take a group of developers and investors to make it happen. The Clips have five years left on their Staples lease, and I don't think Sterling would go through the trouble of paying to get out of the lease.

    To answer Trueblood's earlier post regarding what should happen if the Clippers ever abandon the Playa Vista facility...with all of the developments they're building in that area (there's a business park going up right next to the Clipper facility), Sterling could always sell it to the Playa Vista people, and they use it as a neighborhood fitness center or something.
     
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    One thing to think about here...Staples Center was built for nearly $400 million, and that was ten years ago. In a market like Los Angeles, and seeing all of the newer arenas across the country being built for nearly as much, all within the last five years or so, the price tag I would imagine would be somewhere around $500 million. We all know that Sterling won't foot the bill himself, and public money (especially here in California) is out of the question, so it would have to take a group of developers and investors to make it happen. The Clips have five years left on their Staples lease, and I don't think Sterling would go through the trouble of paying to get out of the lease.

    To answer Trueblood's earlier post regarding what should happen if the Clippers ever abandon the Playa Vista facility...with all of the developments they're building in that area (there's a business park going up right next to the Clipper facility), Sterling could always sell it to the Playa Vista people, and they use it as a neighborhood fitness center or something.


    Yeah, the Sonics proposed Renton arena was going to go for around $500 million and the Sacramento arena is said to be even a little higher than that. I have to think that Inglewood would have a similar cost.

    That's why I proposed the renovated Forum idea. I think you could do that for around $200 to $300 million plus by being in LA, you could probably get a much better naming rights deal than you can in some of the other small markets in the country.

    My thinking would be this. Sterling could take care of $100 million. That's $5 million a year over 20 years, which is what I assume the lease would be for. While he only pays 1.5 million at Staples, he gets hardly any revenue outside of ticket and suite sales. At the new arena, he would more than make up the 3.5 million since he would have control over all revenue that comes through the building, including non Clipper events.

    The Warriors get $3 million a year from Oracle while the Nets could get $20 million a year from Barclays if the Brooklyn arena happens. LA is bigger than the bay area but smaller than NY so I'm thinking Sterling could get anywhere from $5 to $10 million a year on naming rights. That takes care of another $100 to $200 million so you've pretty much paid off the building right there. Any cost overruns could be taken care of by the Inglewood general fund. Renton was willing to pitch in $100 million for the arena so I'm sure Inglewood could fit the bill for something minor like $20 million.

    Renovations work if done properly with a good lease. Oracle seats almost 20,000 with over 60 suites. Space is limited so you can't have restaurants and stuff like that but Sterling wouldn't care as it saves $300 million to do it this way as opposed to building from scratch. The Warriors have a fair lease with the city of Oakland so they are profitable. Seattle had a horrible lease where the owner not only didn't control revenue, he had to pay mortgage and give a good percentage of seat and suite revenue back to the city. Therefore, you wind up with the Oklahoma City Thunder.
     
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    Trueblood wrote:
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    One thing to think about here...Staples Center was built for nearly $400 million, and that was ten years ago. In a market like Los Angeles, and seeing all of the newer arenas across the country being built for nearly as much, all within the last five years or so, the price tag I would imagine would be somewhere around $500 million. We all know that Sterling won't foot the bill himself, and public money (especially here in California) is out of the question, so it would have to take a group of developers and investors to make it happen. The Clips have five years left on their Staples lease, and I don't think Sterling would go through the trouble of paying to get out of the lease.

    To answer Trueblood's earlier post regarding what should happen if the Clippers ever abandon the Playa Vista facility...with all of the developments they're building in that area (there's a business park going up right next to the Clipper facility), Sterling could always sell it to the Playa Vista people, and they use it as a neighborhood fitness center or something.


    Yeah, the Sonics proposed Renton arena was going to go for around $500 million and the Sacramento arena is said to be even a little higher than that. I have to think that Inglewood would have a similar cost.

    That's why I proposed the renovated Forum idea. I think you could do that for around $200 to $300 million plus by being in LA, you could probably get a much better naming rights deal than you can in some of the other small markets in the country.

    My thinking would be this. Sterling could take care of $100 million. That's $5 million a year over 20 years, which is what I assume the lease would be for. While he only pays 1.5 million at Staples, he gets hardly any revenue outside of ticket and suite sales. At the new arena, he would more than make up the 3.5 million since he would have control over all revenue that comes through the building, including non Clipper events.

    The Warriors get $3 million a year from Oracle while the Nets could get $20 million a year from Barclays if the Brooklyn arena happens. LA is bigger than the bay area but smaller than NY so I'm thinking Sterling could get anywhere from $5 to $10 million a year on naming rights. That takes care of another $100 to $200 million so you've pretty much paid off the building right there. Any cost overruns could be taken care of by the Inglewood general fund. Renton was willing to pitch in $100 million for the arena so I'm sure Inglewood could fit the bill for something minor like $20 million.

    Renovations work if done properly with a good lease. Oracle seats almost 20,000 with over 60 suites. Space is limited so you can't have restaurants and stuff like that but Sterling wouldn't care as it saves $300 million to do it this way as opposed to building from scratch. The Warriors have a fair lease with the city of Oakland so they are profitable. Seattle had a horrible lease where the owner not only didn't control revenue, he had to pay mortgage and give a good percentage of seat and suite revenue back to the city. Therefore, you wind up with the Oklahoma City Thunder.


    With you there, True. When the Busses sold the Forum years ago, the church who currently owns it paid $23 million for it. The church no longer has their Sunday morning services, and there hasn't been a meaningful sporting event at the Forum in maybe 3-4 years (USC basketball played a few home games there during the last years of the Henry Bibby regime, while the Galen Center was still in the planning stages). Right now, all the Forum has are concerts, and the occasional film and TV productions. I'm sure that the church would like make back the money (and more), and sell the Forum.

    Certainly the businesses around the Forum neighborhood (Hollywood Park included) would benefit from the additional revenue if a full-time tenant played at the Forum. If Inglewood were to use general fund money to help fund a potential Forum renovation, they would make it back almost instantaneously through taxes. An ideal renovation would have to be lowering the playing surface about 25 feet or so to fit in the suites (similar to Seattle and Oakland), replacing all the seats (they're been there since 1967, and the seats they no longer use currently sit outside in the parking lot, gradually eroding), a new video scoreboard, and an expanded concourse (there's certainly room around the outer ring of the arena). Good thing about the seating at the Forum was that you were very close to the action.
     
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    Great ideas Mr. Hill. If they could expand the councourse without pushing the price up too much, that would work even better. You might be able to squeeze in some extra revenue generators like restaurants and the like.

    The best thing about this is that it makes sense for everyone. Like you said, Inglewood generates the taxes, some corporation gets to stick their name on a large market sports arena, Sterling controls revenue meaning he becomes more profitable and Clipper fans get a building they can call their own.

    You would think that the only losers would be AEG/Staples but they can easily make up the 1.5 million with other events. In fact, they kept talking about how they could make more money off of 5 concerts than with the Clippers when they were renegotiating the lease. I thought they were supposed to stick it to Sterling this time? What happened with that and how did they get him to pay less rent than on the first go around? Did they lower his take on ticket and suite revenue or was it because Anaheim was offering free rent and they needed to come up with something close?
     
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    The only move that makes sense is to Anaheim. A couple of years ago we played several home games there and they sold out every game. That's something that they rarely do at Staples. The owner and players would not hvae to move, the training facility would still be in use, and it would just be a short jaunt down the freeway to games. But if Sterling was goint to do this, he would have already done it. He wants to stay at Staples. But he has a lot of work to do to get out from underneath the shadow of the most successful franchise in the world.
     
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    JamFan wrote:
    The only move that makes sense is to Anaheim. A couple of years ago we played several home games there and they sold out every game. That's something that they rarely do at Staples. The owner and players would not hvae to move, the training facility would still be in use, and it would just be a short jaunt down the freeway to games. But if Sterling was goint to do this, he would have already done it. He wants to stay at Staples. But he has a lot of work to do to get out from underneath the shadow of the most successful franchise in the world.


    Anaheim makes the most sense but you're right, it will never happen on Sterling's watch. I guess Sterling will finally have to bite the bullet and sell. Maybe he'll get sick of owning the team due to all the negative publicity that he's been getting from the lawsuits and what not. In that case, I would love for Henry Samueli to own the team. He's the perfect candidate to see us through since he runs the Honda Center and loves basketball. Who woulda thunk it, an NBA owner who actually plays the game.
     
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