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rojobilbao
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 Posted: Oct 31, 2009 - 10:01 AM PST
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| This is a sad an d a frustraiting situation, but yhe team needs calm and a possitive actitude. |
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Posted: Oct 31, 2009 - 11:46 AM PST
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Popavich or Phil Jackson with this Clippers team and we would probably see 50 wins. I
Sure... Add to that Larry Brown, Jerry Sloan and Rick Adelman... Those are the five best coaches in basketball... Add the next two Stan Van and Doc Rivers... They all have jobs... The rest of the coaches are merry-go-round horses. They just go around in circles. Dunleavy is just another one of them, no better or worse than Scott Skiles, Paul Westphal, Avery Johnson, Rick Carlisle and all the rest. What has the genius Nelson done lately? Nothing. |
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Posted: Oct 31, 2009 - 11:53 AM PST
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MVP, MVP!
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This team needs to settle down. Are they going to get discouraged and walk the same path they did last season after a terrible start? Or will they mentally stay strong and battle their way out of this mess?
The Mavs are the exact opponent we're looking to overcome as the season rolls along (same with the Hornets, Suns, and Rockets). Enough f**king around and finish off these teams. |
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Posted: Oct 31, 2009 - 11:55 AM PST
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Everyone talks about the greatness of Baron, but it's mostly based on one great weak he had three years ago against Dallas. He got hot. He's not a leader (too immature for that), he's not a closer, except on those occassions when his shot just happens to be falling... All in all, he's not the guy you want as your PG... Certainly not at 15-million a year as his skills deminish... And if this ship doesn't turn around soon, he'll only get more immature and more unreliable...
Thank god we have an easy November... We need to put together a streak, or this season will be over by November 20th. |
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Posted: Oct 31, 2009 - 12:11 PM PST
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ekker3 wrote:
we have the tools.
we have the talent.
we've demonstrated the heart.
what's missing?
LEADERSHIP.
its obvious we couldve won all three games. the moment we faced late-game adversity, people started doing their own thing. forcing shots, forcing passes, forcing lanes, etc.
there was a point in tonight's game where baron gave up, throwing tantrums, throwing his arms up in the air in disgust after thornton botched an offensive rebound (with incredible hustle, mind you), pushing paul milsap after milsap blocked him. like i said earlier, this team has no backbone - nor anyone who can calm players down and lead this team through adversity. if someone doesnt step up, we can expect more of the same.
that being said, i still think we can be an incredible team. how we rebound from this 4th quarter meltdown will say a whole lot.
I honestly didnt notice Baron Davis give up or throw "tantrums" The Jazz went on a 15 -0 run in the 4th quarter.Baron davis was on the bench until the 7 minute mark. Seriously, the hate for Baron Davis is ridiculous right now. He has been playing well along with Chris Kaman. Let's face the fact the first 4 opponents won a total of 200 wins combined last season. Right now our 3 losses have come from 48+ wins. We knew it wasnt going to be easy. It's a long season we can still turn it around.
I'd tweak the line up a little bit though. I'd have Rasual start over Al and see how that goes. Dunleavy's rotation and sub patterns are really suspect at this point. He let Eric gordon sit way to long in that Phoenix game and he did the same with Baron. He is also giving Thornton alot of burn and he looking alot like Corey Maggette out there and that is not a good thing. He shot 2-10 from the field only 3 rebounds and 2 turnovers.
Baron shot 7-13. People complain when he shoots miserable but people dont give him any props when he has a good game. Same thing goes for Chris Kaman. Chris is playing well this season. I honestly think if we give the effort against the sub par teams in theleague we will win alot of those games. The season is not a week old guys. Let's at least wait until we hit game 15 before we start screaming the sky is falling. |
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Posted: Oct 31, 2009 - 12:17 PM PST
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Apparently people are thinking this is Baron's fault. Did you people even watch the game? He looked like the Baron of old. He was getting all the hustle plays and was quicker and faster in this game than we'd seen him all last year.
IF you had watched the game, you would've seen that it was our bench that blew the lead and let them run off 15 straight points. It was turnover after turnover after turnover. THAT was the cause of the momentum change. Not Baron's shot at the end of the third quarter. |
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Posted: Oct 31, 2009 - 12:24 PM PST
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btw, let's not panic too much about this. I know an 0-3 start is bad, but in reality, losing to the lakers on their ring night isn't that bad. THEY ARE THE DEFENDING CHAMPIONS. And we haven't won in Utah since 2003, which was after stockton and before williams. and every team has trouble winning there, even the Lakers admitted it in last year's playoffs. the only loss that was bad was the Phoenix one, but did you really think we were going to be free from disappionting losses this season? well this was one of them.
and this whole team knew how last year went, i doubt they will just bow out after a few losses at the beginning of a LONG season like they did last year, because they know and we know that nobody in clipper nation wants to relive that nightmare year. |
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Posted: Oct 31, 2009 - 12:41 PM PST
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Yes, Baron has played well, but shot poorly. His hustle and all around play have been good so far. His decision making, one of the most important characteristics of a PG, have not... Witness the two jump shots he took late in the third. He feels he has to be the straw that stirs the drink when things are going well. He needs to be the focal point instead of the facilitator and that's what I don't like about Baron this season, or any season, really... Last year there was much more not to like about him... I also don't think Baron looks like the Baron of old. He doesn't finish the way he used to on the drive and certainly not on the jump shot... He just looks alot better than the Baron of last year and we confuse that with him being all the way back.
Still, you're right. It's early. The first four games are tough. We've played well enough so that if we continue we'll get wins against the teams we should beat, which could mean a good month of November... The problem is the tease. They show you what they can do for stretches and then don't deliver... But I guess that's the mark of a mediocre team with good talent and poor leadership, both on the bench and on the floor.
I still think we'll contend for a 7 or 8 spot, but when they play well for three quarters against good teams, you start to believe more is possible... When they fold in the fourth, as they did all last year, you start to worry that nothing has changed...
I honestly think if Blake hadn't gotten hurt we'd be 2 - 1 right now and everyone would be all smiles. I haven't give up. |
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Posted: Oct 31, 2009 - 12:49 PM PST
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| yup ^^ and also, I think we should start butler now. Al being the 4th option on offense with the starting lineup is not working out. and when he does get the ball, he feels like he is overdue for some offense, and he takes a bad shot. let's go with butler, he plays within the offense and would be the spot up shooter we need with the starting lineup. somebody said that butler is not that useful because he needs other people to set him up for him to shoot well. well, in the starting lineup we have baron and EJ who are our best penetrators and they can kick it out to Butler when the defense closes in. |
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Posted: Oct 31, 2009 - 01:49 PM PST
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elton_sucks42 wrote:
ekker3 wrote:
we have the tools.
we have the talent.
we've demonstrated the heart.
what's missing?
LEADERSHIP.
its obvious we couldve won all three games. the moment we faced late-game adversity, people started doing their own thing. forcing shots, forcing passes, forcing lanes, etc.
there was a point in tonight's game where baron gave up, throwing tantrums, throwing his arms up in the air in disgust after thornton botched an offensive rebound (with incredible hustle, mind you), pushing paul milsap after milsap blocked him. like i said earlier, this team has no backbone - nor anyone who can calm players down and lead this team through adversity. if someone doesnt step up, we can expect more of the same.
that being said, i still think we can be an incredible team. how we rebound from this 4th quarter meltdown will say a whole lot.
I honestly didnt notice Baron Davis give up or throw "tantrums" The Jazz went on a 15 -0 run in the 4th quarter.Baron davis was on the bench until the 7 minute mark. Seriously, the hate for Baron Davis is ridiculous right now. He has been playing well along with Chris Kaman. Let's face the fact the first 4 opponents won a total of 200 wins combined last season. Right now our 3 losses have come from 48+ wins. We knew it wasnt going to be easy. It's a long season we can still turn it around.
I'd tweak the line up a little bit though. I'd have Rasual start over Al and see how that goes. Dunleavy's rotation and sub patterns are really suspect at this point. He let Eric gordon sit way to long in that Phoenix game and he did the same with Baron. He is also giving Thornton alot of burn and he looking alot like Corey Maggette out there and that is not a good thing. He shot 2-10 from the field only 3 rebounds and 2 turnovers.
Baron shot 7-13. People complain when he shoots miserable but people dont give him any props when he has a good game. Same thing goes for Chris Kaman. Chris is playing well this season. I honestly think if we give the effort against the sub par teams in theleague we will win alot of those games. The season is not a week old guys. Let's at least wait until we hit game 15 before we start screaming the sky is falling.
im not blaming this loss on baron. not in the least bit.
nor am i saying that the season is lost. not at all.
but i challenge you to watch the last part of last night's game and keep an eye on baron's emotional reaction. its obvious his hustle was there but he wasnt LEADING this team and helping them get back on track. he was emotionally...gone. |
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jarca
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Posted: Oct 31, 2009 - 03:20 PM PST
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| if there's any consistency in these past 3 games is that thornton sucks! |
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