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    wow the sun broke the law
     
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    My section was pretty dead (115). We were the only ones chanting defense in the end.
     
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    I dont know if it has been mentioned, but I saw a picture of Blake holding a mic in the pictures from the game. anybody know what he said?
     
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    Clipper Joe Calmsinaty all fellow long time CTB's members, I need support yall, being a long time fan since the sports arena, owner of Clipper Game Packages since 1999-2000, Quote M. Singletary 49ers Coach "Cant Do It, I need winners!!" I agree I was @ da game today also I dunno if the news of Griffin had some to do with but the arena today sucked!!! I need support yall as much as it hurts to say this I cant put my self through this anymore!! I love the Clips I really do but man how many times Do we have 2 tell our selves "next time maybe next time" 15,000 people for out home opener really??? Da atmosphere was horrible in there untill the end!!! When I tell myself oh snap its 4th quarter I know this cant be healthy. I dunno maybe im just bummed rite now but honestly this game experience left a disgusting taste in my mouth. No one defends this team more than me, co workers family members, customers @ work, proffesors & classmates all get on me 4 reppin the Clipps show I need winners at least give me 40 wins is that too much 2 ask for????
     
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    I noticed on the boxscore, uor FG% was sky high yet again at 55%, and higher than the suns. I thought:how did we lose this? Then saw our abysmal FT performance. Terrible. Gutted, we beat these guys and lost because we couldn't sink the easiest shot you'll get all day. I'd expect an improved EJ to put a nail in the coffin, but maybe we're gonna have to wait a bit longer to see the uperstar in him.

    Also, on the final play: we gave it to gordon, then gordon. Why did we give it to gordon again? We should have caught them off thier guard and given it to Kaman or something. If BG was on, I guarantee you he'd have slammed home an alley oop. This is where we miss him. They would all be tired, he would explode on them. I don't know how many Clipper losses I can bear to see after all the hype. I said I'd be happy if we started off 1-3, but we just missed our chance to do even better. I can't bear going 0-4.

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    there is too much "lol" to count in this thread.

    i love my team. i love my point guard. **** the haters.

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    Guys is it just me that noticed we played better with the replacement refs on the court? WTF was the Nash foul at the end. It might have been the most CLEAR foul ALL NIGHT!!! Ej would have gotten 2 free throws AND we would have
    Gotten the ball. Yes we missed our chance, but the refs effed us over as well

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    Clipperman#5 wrote:
    Clipper Joe Calmsinaty all fellow long time CTB's members, I need support yall, being a long time fan since the sports arena, owner of Clipper Game Packages since 1999-2000, Quote M. Singletary 49ers Coach "Cant Do It, I need winners!!" I agree I was @ da game today also I dunno if the news of Griffin had some to do with but the arena today sucked!!! I need support yall as much as it hurts to say this I cant put my self through this anymore!! I love the Clips I really do but man how many times Do we have 2 tell our selves "next time maybe next time" 15,000 people for out home opener really??? Da atmosphere was horrible in there untill the end!!! When I tell myself oh snap its 4th quarter I know this cant be healthy. I dunno maybe im just bummed rite now but honestly this game experience left a disgusting taste in my mouth. No one defends this team more than me, co workers family members, customers @ work, proffesors & classmates all get on me 4 reppin the Clipps show I need winners at least give me 40 wins is that too much 2 ask for????


    Chin up, CM#5! I have no words of wisdom at the moment for I too, felt the same way, last night. Felt so bad, that I couldn't comment in here last night...In fact, I turned off my PC several minutes after the game, turned off the post game show, and watched a movie to forget about the loss.

    I feel better today knowing this was only our second game. I feel good knowing we played a good game and dominated for 3-1/2 QTRS. I also feel good knowing our horrible free throw shooting played a big part in losing. I felt good about knowing we arguably have the best collective bigs in the league...and they proved it in the last 2 games.

    And most importantly, I feel good about knowing we ain't mathematically out of the playoffs yet. Confused
     
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    No ref is going to make that call at the end of the game. It's not happening. Nor should a player expect to get that call when it's blatantly obvious that he's trying to draw contact. Games are not won/lost on a single play and the refs are doing the right thing by not potentially changing the outcome of a game. Sometimes this unspoken guideline works for us, last night it worked against us.

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    Steve Nash forgot to read all the hype about the new Clippers and had confidence he could nail us again. It will take time to break that confidence level that have ruled for years.

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    We're just not getting consistent play from these guys. Taking all missed opportunities and obstacles (officials) out of the equation, we just don't play the same way from start to finish.

    With the Laker game, we battled our way to within 3 points, only to lose it and have to climb back all over again. With the Suns we controlled the lead but let them come to within 2-4 at the end of every freakin quarter. Thus far, wherever we're in a position to take the lead or pull away with a commanding lead, well let it slip. We play with spurts of what this team can become, a playoff team. How can't we play like that for a full 48 minutes.

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    BoomRizzle wrote:
    No ref is going to make that call at the end of the game. It's not happening. Nor should a player expect to get that call when it's blatantly obvious that he's trying to draw contact. Games are not won/lost on a single play and the refs are doing the right thing by not potentially changing the outcome of a game. Sometimes this unspoken guideline works for us, last night it worked against us.


    I agree. 100 out of 100 times players need to go for the shot and not the foul. I really hate trying to rely on the refs. Why not rely on something you actually have control over... your physical self.

    Also I think the Clippers need to stop worrying about not losing and need to worry about winning.

    I have seen so many clients that are obsessed with not losing money instead of trying to make money and nearly everytime... they end up losing money. Why? They are playing on fear instead of confidence, a horrible decision.
     
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    ekker3 wrote:
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    Oh yeah, you guys are so cool and collected.

    You honestly don't see any glaring flaws with the team?

    You're not concerned that we lost two entirely winnable games?

    Content with the no-rhyme-or-reason rotation?

    Baron Davis can't defend his own shadow, and allowed a LAY-UP... a freakin LAYUP! to Nash in crunch time. That is inexcusable from a supposed top 10 PG. Baron honestly manages to take shots, that even the mouse whos running on the little wheel in his brain, can't figure out.

    No... it's not time to hit the Panic button, but it's not "all good" either.


    its only 2 games.
    and RE: that nash layup, the clippers had no fouls to give. id much rather lose the game to a created shot than automatic nash free throws. besides, nash's "layup" was ridiculously lucky and had tons of spin.


    Nash has made those type of shots so many times in his career I can't consider it luck anymore. The guy is just that good and just that clutch. There's a reason he was a 2-time MVP.
     
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    Ok guys, Im not going to start my fire Dumbleavy chant just yet because last night it was the players bad. We make free throws we win, EG makes that easy layup we get another possession, but why cant we execute a freakin play after a time out! Were looking for fouls to justify this game?? Come on, the game should not of been this close to begin with. our season is not a wash yet but there is reason for concern. The Cavs are 0-2 anyone think they are not playoff bound? i know we are not the Cavs but im just sayn. very frustrating and unacceptable!!

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    Know what? I'm also very very disappointed we lost a hard fought game. I will say though they played a lot better and played hard. We are missing a 15 and 10 guy who's attitude gets everyone playing better and defensive presence helps. We can't rely on him but point is we aren't perfectly gelled or staffed yet. We lost to a game winner, that is one of those things you can't blame anyone for BUT missed freethrows earlier in the game can be blamed.

    The most beautiful thing i saw was... Kaman getting pissed and manhandling Amare down low... almost knocking him down.. then putting up a reverse layup over 3 people. That's the Kaman i want to see! The pissed off Kaman! Kaman had 22 points 9 boards and 2 blocks which is great. I would love to see that nightly. On a negative note 5 turnovers is VERY bad even for Kaman. Gordon and Baron did average at best... they could of played MUCH better. Thornton had his usual poor game following a good one. We also got very little bench production.

    Regardless. 2 point loss to a perennial playoff team (I'm aware of them not making it last year) on a Steve Nash game winning layup isn't the worst thing in the world. I did notice a motivated, harder working team than vs the Lakers. Maybe that pride will really slap them in the face when they realize HEY we are 0-2! I think they will turn it around and I'm far from calling this season lost. Prove me right Clippers!
     
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    BoomRizzle wrote:
    No ref is going to make that call at the end of the game. It's not happening. Nor should a player expect to get that call when it's blatantly obvious that he's trying to draw contact. Games are not won/lost on a single play and the refs are doing the right thing by not potentially changing the outcome of a game. Sometimes this unspoken guideline works for us, last night it worked against us.



    Repped. No way the refs will call that. You win close games by execution. Free throws is what killed us.
     
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    Clippersfan86 wrote:
    Know what? I'm also very very disappointed we lost a hard fought game. I will say though they played a lot better and played hard. We are missing a 15 and 10 guy who's attitude gets everyone playing better and defensive presence helps. We can't rely on him but point is we aren't perfectly gelled or staffed yet. We lost to a game winner, that is one of those things you can't blame anyone for BUT missed freethrows earlier in the game can be blamed.

    The most beautiful thing i saw was... Kaman getting pissed and manhandling Amare down low... almost knocking him down.. then putting up a reverse layup over 3 people. That's the Kaman i want to see! The pissed off Kaman! Kaman had 22 points 9 boards and 2 blocks which is great. I would love to see that nightly. On a negative note 5 turnovers is VERY bad even for Kaman. Gordon and Baron did average at best... they could of played MUCH better. Thornton had his usual poor game following a good one. We also got very little bench production.

    Regardless. 2 point loss to a perennial playoff team (I'm aware of them not making it last year) on a Steve Nash game winning layup isn't the worst thing in the world. I did notice a motivated, harder working team than vs the Lakers. Maybe that pride will really slap them in the face when they realize HEY we are 0-2! I think they will turn it around and I'm far from calling this season lost. Prove me right Clippers!


    How did baron davis do average at best? He had 12 assists and 5 steals. We dont need baron to score 20 + per game. We need him to distribute. If we can get baron to average 12 assist per game on 12 ppg we will win alot more games than we lose. I guarantee you. This game was ours and it wasnt our offensive play that killed us. We shot 56%. Its the free throws. The little things are what wins you games.

    5 turnovers for a center is alot.
     
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    journeyman wrote:
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    With Billups we'd be 82-0

    BD is a Clown

    And so is Dun... What a moron

    I can't take 80 more of these.


    Not sure why you're blaming these guys in particular. Baron had 12 points and 12 assists and he played reasonably well, despite being hurt.

    Dunleavy let his shooters shoot. It's not like Dunleavy told his guys to miss their free throws.


    Seriously, some guys need to chill out.
     
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    free throws... free throws... free throws...
     
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    I was pretty frustrated after watching the game last night and couldn't comment. Eric Gordon should have gotten 2 free throws for getting his jersey grabbed by Steve Nash on the first inbounds. As far as I know, grabbing a players uniform to impede his movement is a FOUL, whether it be 5 seconds in to the game or 5 seconds left in the game.

    That aside, the missed free throws just killed us. Gordon missed 4 of 7, Baron and Camby missed multiple ones- the team was 15 of 27. If we had been 20 of 27 we probably would've won the game. That's too bad because Camby played a great game and so did Kaman. Baron's shot was off again but he hit some big 3's and had a good game overall.

    Also we couldn't stop Nash there in the last 6 minutes or so. The guy just went berserk. That's when we miss a defensive stopper like Quinton Ross to clamp down on a hot player like that. I remember Dunleavy used to employ that end game strategy very well- he'd call a timeout to put in Ross on defense, then take him back out for offense. And we'd win the game.

    This was definitely a game where Blake Griffin would very like have been the difference between winning and losing....

    Next game at Utah- it's going to be tough- the guys definitely need to play even better than last night to win.
     
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    Honestly it is hard me to fault any of our players, or the coaching, yesterday.

    When Nash is on fire, Nash is on fire. There is no a whole lot you can do about that.

    Gordon choked a bit in the clutch. He probably should not have had the ball as much in the fourth quarter. But overall, he played a pretty solid game.

    Camby was a beast. Kaman was a beast. In fact, Kaman was such a beast they were trusting him on very difficult shots, and he made them look easy. It's great to see Kaman back to form.

    Davis was OK, though still jacking up too many shots from outside. But hard to fault 12 assists and 5 steals, and he was really keeping the flow of the offense going for most of the game. If not for him, we would have been crushed.

    Thornton left something to be desired in my opinion. He played OK, but too often he didn't pass when he needed to. And didn't even look to see who else was near him, or if someone was under the basket to get an offensive rebound if he missed. He just seems to get the ball, and find a way to shoot it once he has it, too often. But even he had a decent game overall it seemed.

    I mean, what can you really do about fluke missed layups and missed free throws and a super-hot handed Nash?
     
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    ^ I agree. I still remain optimistic. To me that last two losses have resulted from careless turnovers, poor free throw shooting, and a couple crucial defensive breakdowns but overall we have looked ok. To me, those little things can be pretty easily fixed. I'm glad it's not some huge glaring problem so much that we have to change or roster or something drastic like that. A little more focus will lower those dumb turnovers and get our FT % up. With the first couple games out of their systems, I expect a much cleaner game by the Clips against the Jazz. I think we'll be ok and I'll be expecting a W come friday.
     
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    FREETHROWS FREETHROWS FREETHROWS, gordon was horrible from the line
    this should of been a 15 piont win by the clips
     
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    Iam not looking forward to the Utah game it has always been a hard place for teh clipps to get a W

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    ^ I agree. I still remain optimistic. To me that last two losses have resulted from careless turnovers, poor free throw shooting, and a couple crucial defensive breakdowns but overall we have looked ok. To me, those little things can be pretty easily fixed. I'm glad it's not some huge glaring problem so much that we have to change or roster or something drastic like that. A little more focus will lower those dumb turnovers and get our FT % up. With the first couple games out of their systems, I expect a much cleaner game by the Clips against the Jazz. I think we'll be ok and I'll be expecting a W come friday.


    I agree, except with maybe the part about getting a win in Utah. That will be tough; not impossible, but tough.
     
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    I will not be surprised if we start off the season 0-4, i also will not be surprised when we are above .500 after game 11.

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    I didn't feel like posting anything last night, but I still was wondering all night why didn't post up Nash with Baron or Gordon, that's an easy lay up or open three. We should've made Nash a liability on defense like Sam use too. Also the Butler 3 went in but I was pissed when it left his hands, the one good thing is we are better than last year I see a lot of good things, wish Jordan could've got some time though we could've used his length cuz the Rhino was a bit undersized compared to the longer players of the suns. 80 games to get better let's get a win vs. Utah.

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    I'm glad to see everyone is positive. We played the defending chumps...er, champs to within seven points and we lost to the Suns by two points. All of this without the presence of our prized rookie. There were a lot of careless turnovers, but some great things have been happening so far. The biggest being that Chris Kaman is playing a the level he is supposed to be (let's hope he doesn't digress like he usually does), and the second being the productive play of the bench players we bought in: Telfair, Smith, and Butler. If we get Baron in line then we can start seeing some wins, but either way I have seen enough great things from Telfair and Gordon to know that we can easily hand over PG duties to them and they will handle it. Despite the two loses there is a lot of reason to beleive that it will be a good year.
     
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    Derty_Bert wrote:
    I didn't feel like posting anything last night, but I still was wondering all night why didn't post up Nash with Baron or Gordon, that's an easy lay up or open three. We should've made Nash a liability on defense like Sam use too.


    Actually we did go to the EG & Baron post up on Nash with good success, more in the second half though. The main problem there was trying to stop Nash at the end there- he just willed his team to win there like a true MVP.
     
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    uugh This game had me down all day today. I know its only one loss, but a win would've been so great considering we were up by 7 with 5 min to go and the energy in the arena was great (compared to last year). Now we have to go in and get a win in Utah, if we don't get that...... Exclamation
     
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    david wrote:
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    I didn't feel like posting anything last night, but I still was wondering all night why didn't post up Nash with Baron or Gordon, that's an easy lay up or open three. We should've made Nash a liability on defense like Sam use too.


    Actually we did go to the EG & Baron post up on Nash with good success, more in the second half though. The main problem there was trying to stop Nash at the end there- he just willed his team to win there like a true MVP.


    loved the two man game of Baron and Kaman.
     
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    ^^Yeah that's a great sign- those two have developed a good chemistry on the pick-n-roll. Baron has learned what type of passes Kaman can and can't handle- for the most part.
     
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    you guys might laugh but honestly i think 50 percent of these 4th quarter loses are because of us fans. ive been watching a lot of nba games and all the home teams crowd is always screaming, cheering, and making loud noises but i never see that from our audience. it would be great if we made a lot of noise. i know we havent had anything to cheer up these past years but still i think if we make loud noises and get our team into the game we can do better in the 4th quarter and not have meltdowns anymore.
     
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    I'm liking the way we have played most of the first 2 games. I like how it seems the guys are giving their all, especially Baron, Camby and Kaman. I believe we would have won the Phoenix game if we made our free throws. A win a Utah would say a lot and hopefully build some momentum.

    I do agree with clippersforlife100 that the fans definitely add a needed dimension in the fourth quarter. I was amazed when watching the game at how many empty seats there were at Staples. We have to remember that LA is a bandwagoner city and that until the Clippers reemerge as a playoff team the crowds won't be there, even if the true fans are.
     
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    We have been competitive in both of our games. To the end! Very important that. I am reasonably happy. Oh sure, we could've/should've won against the Suns, but it's a lesson learned. Dunleavy is experimenting with line-ups, which is fine, he's got a lot of new parts it's good to see what works well together. No surprise but Griffin would make a HUGE difference. I look tremendously forward to his advent. Bad news is we may well lose the next two games against two tough teams. Utah and Dallas are both battle tested, a win against either would be special. The good news is that something like 10 of the next 14 or so (after Dallas) are definitely winnable! If we can work out the line-ups to our advantage, and keep the spirit we've shown, the wins will come. The Clippers will learn how to win in the fourth quarter, that'll come. Chemistry. It's all about chemistry. Well, that and Blake's knee.
     
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    The crowd sucked. I was the only one in the section standing when the team was announced ???! I don't know why anyone came except to see Nash. Losing should be a big wake up. PHX is a crap team and should not even make the PO's. LAL I can live with. Nobody was going to beat them on Ring Day but I have a big problem with PHX. That can't happen ever again or we might as well Go Fishin' now, and I'm usually an optomist. Dunleavy needs to go back to the drawing board fast. Maybe we have to find a Q Ross type guy. We would have won with him. Right now I'd trade him for Thornton maybe even straight up

    Fans do not win games. They can help but a winning team WINS peroid Bad calls are for losers. We played well over all (Amare was Caiman's b**ch) but does this look like last yr's fourth quarter crash. I think so. I remember us giving up a 19 pt lead because we couldn't stop LBJ. What ultimately lost the game is that we couldn't stop one guy, Nash. This is inexcusable. DUNLEAVY should have done what it took to stop Nash - period. No one else on the team would have torched us like he did. If we have to depend on an untested Rookie and we blame our loss on his absence, we're screwed. What kind of flies do you plan to use trout fishing?
     
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    clippersforlife100 wrote:
    you guys might laugh but honestly i think 50 percent of these 4th quarter loses are because of us fans. ive been watching a lot of nba games and all the home teams crowd is always screaming, cheering, and making loud noises but i never see that from our audience. it would be great if we made a lot of noise. i know we havent had anything to cheer up these past years but still i think if we make loud noises and get our team into the game we can do better in the 4th quarter and not have meltdowns anymore.


    That's true when I went to a game it was quiet as a poker game, the crowd really does help the team.

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    Thought it needed to be in both threads lol
     
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