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    Does Ricky D really deserve to get no playing time I can limited PT but Ricky is still a productive player here and now and with the play of the bench going up and down we need to try all our options.
     
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    toohipcliptoslip wrote:
    That game was awful and we deserved to lose bigtime and we will be in the cellar again if we don't stop this BS. We had a 2nd half meltdown but we got LUCKY. This game should have been a 20pt blowout. Why was I expecting us to lose? Because we always do. If it wewen't for CK's unexpected performance. ( I was hoping for 15/12) we're screwed. Baron is playing like a mediocre to good PG. Not a star. Where are the 18-20 pts? Thornton was supposed to be 15ppg. Nobody expected much scoring from PF. They don't even guard BD outside half the time. There is one of the big problems. When CK is tripled or quadrupled, nobody else can score. Give us the scorers we expected then you may see something because we have none.

    As far as MDSr. There's a time when you have to be realistic. This team has had 4th quarter meltdowns for 2 years. It has to be the coach.


    How can you say its the coach????? Seriously!! Did the coach make baron make a lazy pass to Kaman, or did the coach tell thornton after the offensive rebound that when you get 4 guys on you dont pass it, just take it to the rim. Im sorry but our team has been making poor decisions and its the little plays that have been affecting us, not dunleavy.
     
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    Icecoldclipper wrote:
    Does Ricky D really deserve to get no playing time I can limited PT but Ricky is still a productive player here and now and with the play of the bench going up and down we need to try all our options.


    Based on what I saw in the preseason (and last year) Ricky D is not a better option than Thornton or Butler. If anything, Kareem Rush maybe should get a little more PT.
     
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    I'd be curious to see what would happen if we just gave Novak the starting job at the 3... An experiment for 3 games or so. Would his outside shooting help more than his poor defense hurts? The way teams are starting to double Kaman (especially in the second half), that leave only Gordon as a solid outside shooter. Baron and Thornton can be put on self check. Just let them shoot. Butler hasn't been any better so far, but hopefully that will change...

    It's been a pretty easy formula guarding the Clippers in the second half. Make Kaman work for the ball. When he dribbles (Kaman loves to dribble) run another man at him. Stay home on Gordon and make Camby, Baron or the SF beat you from outside as the ball gets reversed. Add to this, kaman is not a great passer out of the double team... We are very easy to guard unless Butler gets his stroke back... Baron and Thornton aren't frightening beyond 20 feet.

    I wish we'd just stick to the motion offense we use most of the first half.
     
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    SamMays wrote:
    I'd be curious to see what would happen if we just gave Novak the starting job at the 3... An experiment for 3 games or so. Would his outside shooting help more than his poor defense hurts? The way teams are starting to double Kaman (especially in the second half), that leave only Gordon as a solid outside shooter. Baron and Thornton can be put on self check. Just let them shoot. Butler hasn't been any better so far, but hopefully that will change...

    It's been a pretty easy formula guarding the Clippers in the second half. Make Kaman work for the ball. When he dribbles (Kaman loves to dribble) run another man at him. Stay home on Gordon and make Camby, Baron or the SF beat you from outside as the ball gets reversed. Add to this, kaman is not a great passer out of the double team... We are very easy to guard unless Butler gets his stroke back... Baron and Thornton aren't frightening beyond 20 feet.

    I wish we'd just stick to the motion offense we use most of the first half.


    Its completely inexplicable to me why we don't (other than to just say Dunleavy can't coach). Its not even really about coaching at this point, its simple common sense.

    I'd be in favor of giving Novak a look. I'm a bit surprised he hasn't gotten more PT, given the lack of production from the SF spot.
     
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    Yaroslavs#1Fan wrote:
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    First, congrats to Sacramento on their first win too.

    They took care of business and Tyreke is getting better everyday.

    WITH THAT SAID lol... Clips FINALLY get their first win and although i'm very happy...

    does anyone else think we came way too close to losing?

    i mean cmon, it's minnesota!

    What's next? a nail biter against OKC?

    okc is not bad. after today, a nail biter vs okc might be extremely likely. remember we lost by 40 pts to them last year to end the season.


    Yeah, OKC is defintely going in the right direction. I f they beat the Lakers, I'm peniciling them in as one of the playoff teams
     
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    Don't underestimate OKC.

    Though why this team would think it could underestimate anyone is beyond me.
     
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    Make no mistake OKC is not a playoff team this season...
     
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    Icecoldclipper wrote:
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    We''ll pretty much be fans of any east team playing a west team
     
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    The Thunder are going toe to toe with the Lakers.
     
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    The Thunder really feed off the crowd. Why can't we have that???

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    Icecoldclipper wrote:
    The Thunder are going toe to toe with the Lakers.

    ya, but we were down 1 in the 4th to them also.

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    The Lakers and the Thunder are both playing really crappy so its hard to measure how good this team is..the Thunder are certainly not a playoff team this year and I honestly believe that...they only were benefited with an easy first 2 games which is why they have 2 wins.
    We need to start winning before we have a crowd that cares enough to cheer and to be honest im not going to waste my cheering on a team that still has 4th quarter lapses.
     
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    Dammit the Suns won again
     
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    Yaroslavs#1Fan wrote:
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    The Thunder are going toe to toe with the Lakers.

    ya, but we were down 1 in the 4th to them also.


    They are more united as a team though the Thunder show great potential. With the Clipps you knew something was going to go wrong at some point that team still has the unpredictable edge. If they win this game Clippers will have a hell of a problem this coming season a OKC win over the champs is a mental push they need.
     
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    That was close well at least 1 of the 2 teams loss we need a L by Portland now
     
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    Thunder pushed it to OT!!!!!
     
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    jazz about to lose!!!! that means they are 1-3. they play san antonio next so they should be 1-4 when we play GSW and if we beat them we would leap frog them in the standings! And they are 9th currently!

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    why does everyone think the OKC are so good? half the guys on the squad you don't even know....this team is not even a playoff threat and I honestly believe that
     
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    clipper321 wrote:
    why does everyone think the OKC are so good? half the guys on the squad you don't even know....this team is not even a playoff threat and I honestly believe that

    cuz they are really good at home and have a star/superstar in KD.

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    You have to be an allstar before you can be a superstar XD... he definitly showed his star power tonight air-balling 2 clutch shots. Hes good I know..but the team is not there yet
     
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    clipper321 wrote:
    You have to be an allstar before you can be a superstar XD... he definitly showed his star power tonight air-balling 2 clutch shots. Hes good I know..but the team is not there yet

    we'll see, but they definitely are a threat to beat us when we play them next week.

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    clipper321 wrote:
    why does everyone think the OKC are so good? half the guys on the squad you don't even know....this team is not even a playoff threat and I honestly believe that


    Because they're NOT the Clippers. Laughing
     
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    ClipfanSince88 wrote:
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    I'd be curious to see what would happen if we just gave Novak the starting job at the 3... An experiment for 3 games or so. Would his outside shooting help more than his poor defense hurts? The way teams are starting to double Kaman (especially in the second half), that leave only Gordon as a solid outside shooter. Baron and Thornton can be put on self check. Just let them shoot. Butler hasn't been any better so far, but hopefully that will change...

    It's been a pretty easy formula guarding the Clippers in the second half. Make Kaman work for the ball. When he dribbles (Kaman loves to dribble) run another man at him. Stay home on Gordon and make Camby, Baron or the SF beat you from outside as the ball gets reversed. Add to this, kaman is not a great passer out of the double team... We are very easy to guard unless Butler gets his stroke back... Baron and Thornton aren't frightening beyond 20 feet.

    I wish we'd just stick to the motion offense we use most of the first half.


    Its completely inexplicable to me why we don't (other than to just say Dunleavy can't coach). Its not even really about coaching at this point, its simple common sense.

    I'd be in favor of giving Novak a look. I'm a bit surprised he hasn't gotten more PT, given the lack of production from the SF spot.


    i know this sounds impossible, but Novak's D is even worse than Thortons'
     
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    I know... His D is pretty abysmal, but still... He spreads the floor on offense. Perhaps that's worth more than the points he'd give up... We do have two pretty good shot blockers behind him. Maybe we get away with it. The way Butler and Thornton are playing, it's worth a try.
     
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    SamMays wrote:
    I know... His D is pretty abysmal, but still... He spreads the floor on offense. Perhaps that's worth more than the points he'd give up... We do have two pretty good shot blockers behind him. Maybe we get away with it. The way Butler and Thornton are playing, it's worth a try.


    i dont think its a great idea. he will get so torched on defense, we will have guys like Andres Nocioni lighting us up for 50 on 15/20 3 pt shots, lol.
     
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    SamMays wrote:
    I know... His D is pretty abysmal, but still... He spreads the floor on offense. Perhaps that's worth more than the points he'd give up... We do have two pretty good shot blockers behind him. Maybe we get away with it. The way Butler and Thornton are playing, it's worth a try.


    that's under the belief that the guy is going to go all the way to the rim. If he's smart he'll shoot a quick 15 footer which Camby and Kaman are far too lazy to go out and challenge. The problem with the clippers right now is that their defense is horrible in the 15-20ft range so teams get a lot of mid range jumpers on them. Hell Brewer hit a lot of his shots from this range ... and he can't hit a jumper if his life depended on it.
     
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