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17 minutes first game, 14 this one while Willie Green logs around 30 both games. Bledsoe makes things happen. Sure he makes his offensive mistakes but he has a knack for huge momentum shifting plays that lead the team on runs. This business of barely playing him now BEFORE Billups even returns (imagine when Billups is back! Now was chance to play him a ton) is bogus and it's no surprise Clipperblog blasts him about it every week.

Analysts, sports writers and Clippers fans alike are constantly saying MORE BLEDSOE. When will Vinny finally wake up!? A coach like Pop would be ecstatic to get his hands on a kid like Bledsoe and use him a ton. When interviewers ask Vinny about Bledsoe he stupidly says the same cliche about how athletic he is. As if he's ignorant to everything else Bledsoe is.

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I know what you mean, but look at the result right now. We're winning and we just beat the Lakers. As of tonight, it was hard to insert Bledsoe in the line up because Clippers were more stable with Chris Paul running the show. Also Willie Green only log in 13 min. As much I want Bledsoe to play more, right now we just can't find time to put him in cause we're so deep.

Also give some props to Coach VDN for handle his rotation pretty well against both Lakers and Grizzilies. Don't fix something when its not broken.

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Sure winning is nice and keeps problems at bay but we could be winning in more dominate fashion. Willie Green undoes a ton of the positives. He seems to kill runs and cost us badly. Sure today he played much better than vs the Grizzlies but he's no Bledsoe. Imagine the thought of Bledsoe arguably our 4th or 5th best player on the entire team getting 10 minutes a game when Billups comes back? That's UNACCEPTABLE.

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Don't hate on Wet Willie!

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I'll take the winning. Point differential counts for nothing when it's all said and done. Green sees most of his minutes early in the game... the idea behind it is that he is a little more consistent from range than Bled and he'll spread the floor for our bigs to go to work. Bledsoe plays fewer minutes right now, but they're usually closer to crunch-time when we may need those 'momentum-changing' plays.

I think Vinny's doing fine. We're winning, everyone's getting some PT and plenty of rest, we're even getting good looks off of out-of-bounds plays. We're vulnerable to perimeter shooting and our own shooting hasn't been that great or we'd have won both games by 20.

There's certainly some room for improvement, but we look like we've gotten things together pretty well for this early in the season.

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Also... DJ finished with only like 15 freaking minutes despite only having 3 fouls SMH. Point is Vinny is still not the right guy to handle these rotations. There is zero justification for Willie Green doubling up on Bledsoe for minutes, wins or not. Beyond living in the present remember it's important to cultivate your young talent for the future.

I'm not in the camp of "you're winning, so nothing to fix". I believe WHILE winning it's the best time to perfect things. Bledsoe needs more minutes.

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With the amount of quality players on the roster each game some1 is going to be left out.

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Yea and Bledsoe is the top priority on our bench development wise, it shouldn't be him. He's our biggest trading piece and our highest upside player outside of Blake Griffin. Hell already he's our 5th best player. Bledsoe needs the big minutes to develop, otherwise trade him for a better starting SG.

I'm telling you right now if the Clippers bury him on the bench and end up trading him he's going to explode and be an all star and the Clippers will regret it for years.

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Come on, you know us Clippers fan will be waiting a long time for this season. Beside, right now this is not the problem. We're winning right now and let keep this way. I'm all for in improvement among our young players, but I think Bledsoe already obtain those knowledge from both Paul and Billups so there is no need to put more additional playing time. Until the problem rise, there is no need to worry about this.

Also don't take this fun away, I like that we're winning and I don't feel like arguing among each other on how big our victories should be. We're fine as long as we're winning.

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Bledsoe can become the difference between finals and WCF. His impact is MASSIVE when he plays well. Why wait until the problem arises when it inevitably will? I'd rather offend a scrub like Willie Green than a young Bledsoe who has big time star potential. Bledsoe luckily has been patient but I'd be ticked if I knew I outplay every other guard not named Paul when I get minutes yet I never play more than 15-20 minutes.

Do the right thing, fix it now.. before it becomes an issue. Bledsoe has earned these minutes. Vinny isn't suddenly going to change it, he's been doing this with Bledsoe since his rookie year where he benches him WAY too easily and doesn't play him enough.

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What happen if it doesn't work? Then you would mess up the flow of these rotations that are proven to be playing with some crisp right no. Remember this is 82 game season, there is a plenty time to adjust and tweak. Like I say, if there's part of time that need to be adjusting then VDN will adjust. Right now there is no need to adjust and everyone play their role accordingly well. Plus I'm glad Bledsoe is a student of the game and have a patient for it. His time will come and I'm sure he rather sub winning then fame.

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I LOVE LOVE Bledsoe, but I'm not sure if he has outplayed Jamal so far.

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Bledsoe can become the difference between finals and WCF. His impact is MASSIVE when he plays well. Why wait until the problem arises when it inevitably will? I'd rather offend a scrub like Willie Green than a young Bledsoe who has big time star potential. Bledsoe luckily has been patient but I'd be ticked if I knew I outplay every other guard not named Paul when I get minutes yet I never play more than 15-20 minutes.

What happen if it doesn't work? Then you would mess up the flow of these rotations that are proven to be playing with some crisp right no. Remember this is 82 game season, there is a plenty time to adjust and tweak. Like I say, if there's part of time that need to be adjusting then VDN will adjust. Right now there is no need to adjust and everyone play their role accordingly well. Plus I'm glad Bledsoe is a student of the game and have a patient for it. His time will come and I'm sure he rather sub winning then fame.

What flow? Clippers talent is overwhelming and everybody is collectively stepping up. The rotations were different both games and nothing is set so I don't agree that boosting Bledsoe's minutes would affect some sort of flow. My biggest fear right now outside of CP3 walking is Bledsoe wanting out. I see his star potential and don't want crap rotations by Vinny to eventually force him to demand a trade.

Kid is WAY too good to be averaging 15 minutes a game. For example he dropped 13, 4 and 4 in only 17 minutes vs the Grizzlies. Tonight I understand him not playing much due to Kobe being the opposing SG. I think in general though this is a long time habit where Vinny doesn't play Bledsoe nearly enough. Remember the playoffs when he was destroying yet somehow still only got 15-20 minutes? Doesn't make any sense.

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Bledsoe can become the difference between finals and WCF. His impact is MASSIVE when he plays well. Why wait until the problem arises when it inevitably will? I'd rather offend a scrub like Willie Green than a young Bledsoe who has big time star potential. Bledsoe luckily has been patient but I'd be ticked if I knew I outplay every other guard not named Paul when I get minutes yet I never play more than 15-20 minutes.

Do the right thing, fix it now.. before it becomes an issue. Bledsoe has earned these minutes. Vinny isn't suddenly going to change it, he's been doing this with Bledsoe since his rookie year where he benches him WAY too easily and doesn't play him enough.

I LOVE LOVE Bledsoe, but I'm not sure if he has outplayed Jamal so far.

I'm not saying he has. I said 5th best player although when Crawford comes back to earth on the scoring Bledsoe's all around impact may be superior and he may be the 4th best, maybe even 3rd depending on what DJ does (so far not impressed with DJ in regular season).

If you mean competition for minutes with Jamal it doesn't need to happen like that. It's Green who needs to lose his minutes, not Crawford. Even run Crawford at 3 for stretches vs small teams to get Bledsoe more minutes on the wing.

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Bledsoe can become the difference between finals and WCF. His impact is MASSIVE when he plays well. Why wait until the problem arises when it inevitably will? I'd rather offend a scrub like Willie Green than a young Bledsoe who has big time star potential. Bledsoe luckily has been patient but I'd be ticked if I knew I outplay every other guard not named Paul when I get minutes yet I never play more than 15-20 minutes.

What happen if it doesn't work? Then you would mess up the flow of these rotations that are proven to be playing with some crisp right no. Remember this is 82 game season, there is a plenty time to adjust and tweak. Like I say, if there's part of time that need to be adjusting then VDN will adjust. Right now there is no need to adjust and everyone play their role accordingly well. Plus I'm glad Bledsoe is a student of the game and have a patient for it. His time will come and I'm sure he rather sub winning then fame.

What flow? Clippers talent is overwhelming and everybody is collectively stepping up. The rotations were different both games and nothing is set so I don't agree that boosting Bledsoe's minutes would affect some sort of flow. My biggest fear right now outside of CP3 walking is Bledsoe wanting out. I see his star potential and don't want crap rotations by Vinny to eventually force him to demand a trade.

Kid is WAY too good to be averaging 15 minutes a game. For example he dropped 13, 4 and 4 in only 17 minutes vs the Grizzlies. Tonight I understand him not playing much due to Kobe being the opposing SG. I think in general though this is a long time habit where Vinny doesn't play Bledsoe nearly enough. Remember the playoffs when he was destroying yet somehow still only got 15-20 minutes? Doesn't make any sense.

It's just all depend on match ups. Right now it's only 2 games so like you set it's not set in stone yet. It's still a long season and these rotations can always change depend on situations and performance wise. If Bledsoe to get more minutes, who does he take his minute from? Definitely not Chris Paul, Jamal Crawford is playing out of his mind, and Willie Green is not playing much minutes anyway. I don't see Willie getting 5-10 minutes per game as our shooting guard and beside he's shooting well. It's too bad Bledsoe couldn't grow any higher, he would have play a bigger role in this team. I'm not saying Bledsoe doesn't deserve more minutes, it's just that it's so hard to find minutes for Bledsoe even if we want to.

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if you're playing behind Chris Paul, that's gonna affect your minutes as it's sorta the nature of the beast back there (behind Paul).... the best argument for more minutes for Bledsoe, is to preserve CP3's health.... they key stat is wins, this is not a development league.... Bledsoe has shown he belongs and is a legit NBA pg who plays at both ends of the court, which is especially important come playoff time, and even more so, given that he plays behind a player w/an injury history, which by season's end, will make Paul even more vulnerable.... we are lucky to have Bledsoe, and playing at this level....

am a little wary of Vinny's substitutions, and wonder if he can hang w/some of the star power on this roster, and.... fairly certain when all is said and done, Bledsoe will have gotten his minutes as he definitely helps set the tone on defense and for our second unit.... also, Willie Green didn't double up on Bledsoe's minutes, and actually played less than EB, and he played 13 not 30 minutes.... appreciate the vantage point, and don't think there's any need to stray from the facts.... it's a legit concern, and one where there might not be an easy solution....

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I actually like VDNs use of Bledsoe. We have so many rotations that we can match mostly everyone. Keep in mind it's only been 2 games but its a long season.

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Breakers I probably had wrong line of boxscore but I do know vs Grizzlies Willie played close to 30. CP3 in this game also should have been on the bench more in the first half when he wasn't doing much. Paul looke very ineffective until the second half.

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I agree a 100%.Everyone in the league seems to be noticing how talented Bledsoe is except for VDN.Bledsoe is a game changer and makes this team a lot better defensively.He also gets people into foul trouble when they try to stop him on fast breaks.Why is he only playing 14 minutes?Everyone keeps saying who cares because we are winning but if it does become a problem VDN might take a while to fix the rotations because he will think it worked in the past so it might still work.This could cost us games down the line.Also I am not saying take away Crawford or CP3's minutes I am saying take Green's minutes.Sure he is a good shooter who can spread the floor but Bledsoe gives you so much more defensively and play making wise it doesn't make sense not to play him over Green.

Also the rotations with Hollins is just confusing to me.I am not saying Hollins doesn't deserve playing time but VDN brings him early and Hollins gets into foul trouble.Then when we could use Hollins defense he is not available.Hollins needs to be in there later in the game not in the 1st quarter.If DJ gets into foul trouble how does binging in a guy who is foul prone make any sense?By VDN doing this he gets the other team in the bonus quicker and that takes away some of our defense because we are afraid to foul because the other team will shoot free throws.I rather VDN bring in Odom or Turiaf before Hollins and save Hollins for the 2nd,3rd,and occasionally the 4th quarter.Also I agree that DJ should have been played more.DJ's biggest test is Howard,he needs to be out there and know what he is going to be up against.Especially now that Howard isn't 100% it makes it easier for DJ which will give him more confidence for future match ups.

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There's was a post-game quote I read somewhere (probably twitter), where VDN said that he thought he "probably should've used Bledsoe more."

I agree with others, it's only game 2. But, we shouldn't be worrying about it right now because it's definitely on VDN's mind, plus we're winning.

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Guys bought the "we will do whatever it takes mentality"...check

the team looks good. they are having fun. plus there is a game(later on) and i asure you e.bled will crack 25-30 min today..winning means everything for this group.

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I don't really have a problem with Bledsoe's minutes. He is backing up Paul and not going to get huge minutes. His play at SG is limited because taller guards like Kobe would eat him up.

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It's only been 2 games. Today Bledsoe lost a lot of minutes to Barnes because of that Kobe match up. Minutes are going to fluctuate from night to night depending on the different matchups and what Vinny thinks the team needs for specific periods in each game. The minutes are going to be tight with the amount of depth that we have and things are only going to get tighter when Chauncey and Hill both come back from injury.

What matters this season is what gets us the win, so i'm sure each player understands the situation and is willing to sacrifice as long as it means getting closer to that championship. Circumstances will change as the season goes on, so for now let's just be happy with what we've got going, and see how things progress as we get deeper into the season.

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if anything though, Bledsoe will probably get less minutes. Having Billups come back will just eat into his minutes. I agree that we need to utilize him so much better. Paul had some really sloppy moments and killed them tempo (again) when it would have been nice to have Bledsoe in there or at least playing with Paul.

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why the concern, we are undefeated so far, bledsloe will get his minutes he has proven he deserves to play, just shoes stupidly deep this team is this season, its a good position to be especially as a coach, and this is while billups and hill are still out

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Clippersfan86 wrote:
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With the amount of quality players on the roster each game some1 is going to be left out.

Yea and Bledsoe is the top priority on our bench development wise, it shouldn't be him. He's our biggest trading piece and our highest upside player outside of Blake Griffin. Hell already he's our 5th best player. Bledsoe needs the big minutes to develop, otherwise trade him for a better starting SG.

I'm telling you right now if the Clippers bury him on the bench and end up trading him he's going to explode and be an all star and the Clippers will regret it for years.

I agree with you. He is a young player. Developing him is more important than giving PT to vets who are not going to get better. Bledsoe needs 20mpg at the bare minimum imo even on this deep team.

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With the amount of quality players on the roster each game some1 is going to be left out.

Yea and Bledsoe is the top priority on our bench development wise, it shouldn't be him. He's our biggest trading piece and our highest upside player outside of Blake Griffin. Hell already he's our 5th best player. Bledsoe needs the big minutes to develop, otherwise trade him for a better starting SG.

I'm telling you right now if the Clippers bury him on the bench and end up trading him he's going to explode and be an all star and the Clippers will regret it for years.

I agree with you. He is a young player. Developing him is more important than giving PT to vets who are not going to get better. Bledsoe needs 20mpg at the bare minimum imo even on this deep team.

This is why VDN give him minutes during preseason. It's to develop him when he can be mistake free. If you want to develop Bledsoe, this may cause some games based on his mistakes. There is nothing wrong in having minutes to the vetearn who been there before. Crawford is playing well as of right now and Willie Green is not playing much to really support your argument.

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CP3Heliflopter wrote:
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With the amount of quality players on the roster each game some1 is going to be left out.

Yea and Bledsoe is the top priority on our bench development wise, it shouldn't be him. He's our biggest trading piece and our highest upside player outside of Blake Griffin. Hell already he's our 5th best player. Bledsoe needs the big minutes to develop, otherwise trade him for a better starting SG.

I'm telling you right now if the Clippers bury him on the bench and end up trading him he's going to explode and be an all star and the Clippers will regret it for years.

I agree with you. He is a young player. Developing him is more important than giving PT to vets who are not going to get better. Bledsoe needs 20mpg at the bare minimum imo even on this deep team.

This is why VDN give him minutes during preseason. It's to develop him when he can be mistake free. If you want to develop Bledsoe, this may cause some games based on his mistakes. There is nothing wrong in having minutes to the vetearn who been there before. Crawford is playing well as of right now and Willie Green is not playing much to really support your argument. Which one is important to you? Win or developing bledsoe?

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The Clips arent keeping Bledsoe and Paul. They'll probably trade Bledsoe if CP signs.

Vinny sux. I hate how he uses Blame.Griffin. Blake needs.a tougher coach to get on him and demand greatness.

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Bledsoe is part of the bench. The league's strongest one at that. Lets wait on the coach criticisms til our first loss (which may not happen this season)

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I'd lay off of criticizing VDN as he is 2-0 and the team is happy and gelling.

I agree Bledsoe needs more time on the floor but CP is getting himself in shape. Also, you'll see Bledsoe play more tonight on a back to back situation.

Also there's no reason why we can't keep both CP and Bledsoe. Sterling will pay both.

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Vinnie has used Bledsoe very well so far. Vs. the Lakers he didn't get his usual late 3rd quarter time because that was precisely when the Clippers went on their run with Chris Paul at the helm. They were opening up a lead and there was no reason to sub Paul out at that time... Bledsoe will get plenty of minutes...

The team is playing great. The players seem excited. There is no reason to try to stir something up that isn't there.

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Um we have the best record in the NBA right now... we dont realy need to worry. Tonights game agaisnt the warriors could be a totally different rotation. I think right now hes just ptting in the right people to do what needs to be done to win.

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I smell a fire VDN thread starting soon.............I mean,,how dare us be 2-0,,,,

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Ron i've been patient with Vimny regarding Bledsoe but with his huge improvements and Billups out this is his chance to break out. We've waited 2 seasons.

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I think Clippersfan86 has caught the ClipperSam virus unfortunately. A little bed rest and staring at the win column the next few weeks and he should be just find. wink

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I think you should re-read my post again before making sarcastic remarks. In general still don't think Vinny is the coach to get us to the promise land but I'm not calling for his head in general. Players are winning in spite of him, he should be gone by end of the season.

I'm complain specifically about how he uses Bledsoe. Like Clippersblog always says... it's like Vinny has it in his head that he HAS to use a player at the position he's labeled as. Bledsoe did a magnificent job against Manu in the playoffs so what's Vinny's issue with either starting him at 2 or playing him more at 2? He might get burned a few times but he's also going to give you a ton of good things.

Iverson was 6'0 170 and is a HOF SG. Bledsoe is 6'1 205 pounds with a freaking 6'8 wingspan and the strength to handle most wings in the league.

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^"He should be gone by the end of the season", even though you don't know what the end of the season could bring (WC or NBA finals) and that's NOT calling for his head in general....really?? Maybe you should re-read your post before making a contradicting statement.

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Tense you think we can win the title with Vinny as our coach? I'll be shocked if you say yes.

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"86 I don't if this team can win a title, even with a different coach, but we won't really know that until season's end is all I'm saying. A little patience is needed for all the rotations (especially since we don't have the team at full strength yet) to be worked out and I'm sure Bledsoe is going to get the minutes he needs.

I think we'll be able to judge this team a little better after 25+ games or so (we haven't even played our A game, yet we're winning convincingly) and I think everybody will get the necessary playing time to help this team attain the ultimate stat/goal...wins. How many wins...we'll find out by spring's end.

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What I have seen honestly this season,,all 3 days of it,,,is that VDN puts the starters out there,,then just let the players do their thing and if someone gets the hot hand they stay,,if not they go. Then when we get to the 4th quarter the starters will reunite and if they bring it home fine,,if not the bench that had the hottest hands go back in.

I can't say last night was bad because the officiating had a lot of our guys in trouble really freaking early. I don't think Lamar would have been in so long (man does he look slow) had the team not gotten so many early fouls.

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I've never been a fan of Vinny's but hey if Spoelstra can win a title I dont see why Vinny cant. We have way too many weapons on this team for even the worst coach to mess this one up

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Amazing start so far, and this without Billups and Hill

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Yeah, I have to defend Vinny on this one. Bledsoe's backing up the best point guard in the league. And Paul had an amazing game last night. I can see both on the floor from time to time, but I think it depends on the flow of the game.

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Whats amazing about the roster is that it gives Vinny many options to use against any team.

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When I clicked this thread I thought for sure it's the return of Sam.

86 Bro, we just beat two of the best in the league pretty handily! Everybody knew going in that there were going to be reduced minutes for ALL players because of our ridiculous depth. It is what it is.

Bledsoe is getting legit minutes for what he is, the backup to our best player.

Most likely he'll play more minutes going forward but the combination of the fact that Crawford has been our 2nd best player so far...And the fact that we've just played the two teams with the best bigs in the entire league, this is just the nature of the beast right now.

Most teams are going small. Throughout the year most games we're going to use less of Turiaf/Hollins and more of Bled/Jamal and our SFs. Even when Billups comes back, it's not like he's demanding big minutes, he doesn't even want big minutes. Willie won't be in the rotation and Billups minutes will come straight from what Willie is getting now.

Bledsoe is going to end up playing 20-22minutes per game by the end of the year and with a team that literally goes 12 deep, that's plenty.

We're trying to win a championship, guys have to sacrifice to get that done. I will not argue with the results so far. We look talented and sharp.

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I said it before and I'll say it again. Vinny has the toughest job in the NBA this season. Managing this roster and these expectation and the scrutiny...And knowing full well the first time we lose 3 straight (if that happens this year), the whole country will want you fired.

Not an easy assignment for Vinny. So far the results are excellent. We look to be in midseason form from where I'm sitting.

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This. We literally HANDLED the Lakers last night, so no, I'm not mad at Vinny for his rotations.

I'll be more upset tonight if we come out strong and Bledsoe doesn't get a chance to hold down the offense while Chris gets a longer blow.

Bledsoe is still a bench player and needs to be treated like one. He should get a lot of minutes, but not necessarily against some of the tougher teams.

Remember, basketball is a game of match-ups. We can't get overzealous about Bledsoe and expect him to always play a large portion of the game regardless of the situation.

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We just played 2 great teams so Paul is going to play big minutes. I see Bledsoe playing 25 minutes tonight, give cp3 some rest if this game becomes a blowout.

Side note..Steven a Smith said we played the first 7 minutes of the 4th quarter with all bench guys against the lakers...nice

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We actually can with high iq players like CP3 and Billups running the team. Coaches are very important but outside of Popovich and Rivers how many contenders have good coaches? The Heat have a decent but not great coach. The Lakers have a coach that just rode the coattails of Lebron. The Thunder have a so-so coach.

Sadly quality coaches like quality centers are a rarity nowadays.

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