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Same thing many of us have said but oddly enough a coalition has arisen that seems to dispute this notion but SI breaks it down nicely.

"Every minute that Willie Green steals from Bledsoe is a crime against basketball itself, one that should be met with a hearing and sentencing in some unforgiving hardwood tribunal. But the justice system is nothing if not slow-moving; Clippers coach Vinny Del Negro thus far has gone unpunished, and he continues to slot Green as his starting shooting guard, awarding him ample playing time.

Green, despite all his flaws, is an NBA player. His skills warrant a roster spot and a handful of minutes in lineups that can benefit from his mid- and long-range shooting while dealing with all the other quirks in his game. But Bledsoe's athleticism makes him a multi-positional wonder capable of defending expertly on the ball, accelerating through the core of opposing defenses and bolting to loose balls and backdoor scoring opportunities. He may not be the easiest player to incorporate into traditional offenses, but Bledsoe does so much in so many different ways that it's a wonder Del Negro has been able to keep him off the floor as much as he has.

Yet there Bledsoe sits, logging just 18 minutes per game to Green's 19.8, with added rotational pressure on the way with Chauncey Billups and Grant Hill close to returning. If Del Negro doesn't get a clearer idea of Bledsoe's on-court virtues soon, a valuable Clipper could wind up living on whatever tiny bits of playing time trickle down through the cracks of the roster."

http://nba.si.com/2012/11/07/derrick-fa ... e-minutes/

I love the last paragraph because it's been my biggest fear. If he isn't getting more minutes now with Billups out, imagine how it will be when Billups is back?

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More proof of a bad coach. Doesn't even know when he has a stud...

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I think 1 of 3 things can happen here:

1) Fire Vinny, hire Sloan

2) Fire Vinny, Flakers get Sloan, we take Brown

3) Keep Vinny

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Clippersfan86, I think it is BECAUSE Chauncey is coming back soon that Vinny is conducting the rotations in the manner that he is. A little continuity can go a long way for a team, and the dream is to have Bledsoe lead the best bench the NBA will see this year. Chauncey will come back to a starting 2 slot, and, provided he is at least a fraction of what he was before the injury, things will be awesome. If we were to dramatically overhaul our entire rotation when Chaunce comes back we might as well forfeit a few weeks of games while we go through a second ad-hoc training camp.

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^ anything but 3

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Good post and I totally agree.

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4) pay not attention to 1 thru 3.

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Hey what who would you hire if you fired Vinny besides SLoan and D'Antoni!?

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clipper*joe wrote:
CP3Best wrote:
I think 1 of 3 things can happen here:

1) Fire Vinny, hire Sloan

2) Fire Vinny, Flakers get Sloan, we take Brown

3) Keep Vinny

4) pay not attention to 1 thru 3.

agreed.

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Nate Mc Millan or Brian Shaw. I would even give Robert pack a shot.

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Please number 1. Also there are a crapload of coaches I rather take than Mr. Potato head who looked decent cause of Lebron just like how Vinny looks decent cause of CP3.

Also yes Bledsoe should get some of Willie Green's minutes. Sure we would have a super undersized backcourt but Willie Green has been playing like turd.

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What ya'll fail to realize is that OUR PLAYERS actually LIKE VDN.... So I'm pretty sure, given our track record, will stay with VDN

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CP3Best
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I'm not very knowledgeable in the coach area, i just heard Sloan was good, that's why I put him there!

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I think EBled's minutes will remain steady when Billups returns and Greens minutes will alter. I do not think it is a bad idea to bring EBled off the bench (however I do love it when he and CP get a few minutes together). I don't like JCross and EBled together too much, that I must admit.

But I think EBled's minutes are right where they need to be (not saying I agree with the coaching - ex. timing of substitution, mix of players), but it is still early in the season and I reserve the right to express any anger without first having watched a good amount of game.

I don't get why people are just lurking for negativity. No team is flawless, not even the 72-10 Bulls... We have been Clipper fans for years and all we had WERE FLAWS AND IMPERFECT SITUATIONS. Now that things get a little rosier, we get whinny?

What is wrong with people, enjoy the game, enjoy your team.

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well said.

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^Yep. Bledsoe is an oncredible talent, but he sometimes steps on the gas when he should be on the brakes. You can play at a fast clip, and still be under control. Nash has done it for years on offense. Assuming he is teachable/ coachable, he is still 2 years or so away from becoming a finished product. Until then, lets enjoy the show, as a work in progress.

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Bledsoe can't shoot very well. Kind of a necessity for a shooting guard...

He's our backup PG, it's a better fit.

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I feel like a +5 min for Bled and -5 min for Green would be ideal. I don't think he should be starting as I like the idea of Bled running the 2nd unit. He can be deadly with his penetration and dishes to Jamal, and I like the idea of the Killer B's (Bled and Barnes) locking down the perimeter. It's so early in the season, and I think VDN will eventually get the minutes in order.

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I wouldn't mind having Bledsoe start. The second unit has a ball handler in Crawford and Odom, so It doesn't bother me if Willie comes in for CP3.

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ClipperSam wrote:
CP3Best wrote:
Hey what who would you hire if you fired Vinny besides SLoan and D'Antoni!?

Nate Mc Millan or Brian Shaw. I would even give Robert pack a shot.

You supposedly know who would be a good or bad coach and your asking for Brian Shaw or Robert Pack. Huge, huge question marks. Nate McMillan....ask the Portland fans about Nate, I'm sure you'll fine some ClipperSam fans from there too, lol.

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Coach ClipperSam wink

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Willie had a pretty good game against San Antonio. He found a way to keep the wheels turning when we were cold early on in the game. But as long as Bledsoe's production is so good, we need him logging more minutes. He's a bit small, but he can play 2-guard in a lot of Green's sets.

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ClipperSam wrote:
CP3Best wrote:
Hey what who would you hire if you fired Vinny besides SLoan and D'Antoni!?

Nate Mc Millan or Brian Shaw. I would even give Robert pack a shot.

I wouldnt mind those two on my staff. McMillan can shake my d#ck off after I use the urinal and Shaw can wipe my a##

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tense2 wrote:
ClipperSam wrote:
CP3Best wrote:
Hey what who would you hire if you fired Vinny besides SLoan and D'Antoni!?

Nate Mc Millan or Brian Shaw. I would even give Robert pack a shot.

You supposedly know who would be a good or bad coach and your asking for Brian Shaw or Robert Pack. Huge, huge question marks. Nate McMillan....ask the Portland fans about Nate, I'm sure you'll fine some ClipperSam fans from there too, lol.

Haha im in portland getting ready to go to the game right now and think this is pretty funny. Nates a great defensive coach and would probably do wonders for Blakes game, HOWEVER he isnt the best with point guards and his last couple seasons up here had some real weird rotations. That and I dont think he an crawford would have the greatest reunion.

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Keep Vinnie. He's been rotating the guys great all season. Everybody tonight had less than 30 mins each playing time except CP3 (who had 33). That's a great way to keep your guys healthy and win down the stretch. 4-2, undefeated on the road. Leave Vinnie alone. For now. Possibly forever

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Bledsoe played what 11 or 12 minutes? He played superb D in stretches and had like 8 or 10 points in 9 minutes in the first half. Bottom line is he should have played more. We won so nothing to make issue of but still not ideal obviously.

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You're right about the rotation tonight. There were easier ways to put this game away sooner. Bledsoe coming in earlier would have certainly slowed their run.

But then I think about the bigger picture. This game couldn't have gone any better for us. On the second of a B2B, on the road, we come out of the gate like championship contenders, we withstand a (usually) game-winning run by the home team... and then we put them away comfortably.

That is the kind of heartbreak we've endured so much of, but now we're the ones dishing it out.

I think Chris Paul had a lot more to say about who was running point tonight - and when - and for how long - than Vinny did.

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What!

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Yes...lets start two 6 ft PGs and have no backup PG

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ClipperSam wrote:
CP3Best wrote:
Hey what who would you hire if you fired Vinny besides SLoan and D'Antoni!?

Nate Mc Millan or Brian Shaw. I would even give Robert pack a shot.

Nate Mac or B Shaw top two choices.

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The win was uge last night. The Rose garden is impossible to win in. Fans in Oregon are the best and they get loud. We had a long losing streak over there, so that we even won was a big deal

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cleepers wrote:
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Bledsoe played what 11 or 12 minutes? He played superb D in stretches and had like 8 or 10 points in 9 minutes in the first half. Bottom line is he should have played more. We won so nothing to make issue of but still not ideal obviously.

You're right about the rotation tonight. There were easier ways to put this game away sooner. Bledsoe coming in earlier would have certainly slowed their run.

But then I think about the bigger picture. This game couldn't have gone any better for us. On the second of a B2B, on the road, we come out of the gate like championship contenders, we withstand a (usually) game-winning run by the home team... and then we put them away comfortably.

That is the kind of heartbreak we've endured so much of, but now we're the ones dishing it out.

I think Chris Paul had a lot more to say about who was running point tonight - and when - and for how long - than Vinny did.

Great post and I agree with everything here. I do agree that no matter what mistakes were made on rotations this was an ideal outcome. Even down to more detail... dominating all game, making them waste tons of energy getting back then STILL beat them by 13. That's ultimate trolling haha...

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Billups will log 20-30 minutes. Bledsoe 15+ especially since a lot of games will most likely be blowouts. Willie will play 10 MAX a game, depending on the game.

Still Bledsoe is a back-up/change of pace guard. His aggression is what makes him and hurts him. Love the blocks and other random plays of athleticism but just he isn't poised enough. Averages about 2-5 out of control plays a game. They don't always show up in his TO column though. Indecisiveness on the fast break for instance. Not to mention, would be nice to get a consistent jumper lol.

BTW if he plays 30+ minutes a game which he isn't used to fully and just so happens to get hurt. That would be a major blow. :/

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clipper*joe wrote:
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Clippersfan86, I think it is BECAUSE Chauncey is coming back soon that Vinny is conducting the rotations in the manner that he is. A little continuity can go a long way for a team, and the dream is to have Bledsoe lead the best bench the NBA will see this year. Chauncey will come back to a starting 2 slot, and, provided he is at least a fraction of what he was before the injury, things will be awesome. If we were to dramatically overhaul our entire rotation when Chaunce comes back we might as well forfeit a few weeks of games while we go through a second ad-hoc training camp.

Good post and I totally agree.

Me too. I've always thought Green was just a placeholder for Billups in the starting line-up. He's the one that will fall out of the rotation once Chauncey comes back.

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Does the SI writer also expect EBled to guard opposing starting 2 guards who are all taller than him? C'mon...

The rotation is fine, but I agree EBled needs more minutes.

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Willie Green is a place holder for Chauncey Billips until he comes back. When Billips returns Willie's minutes will be in blowout games.

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OMG, I just can't stand it any longer. Clipper Sam is a joke. Nate Mcmillan??? What do you know about Mcmillan? He NEVER runs a point guard oriented offense. Look at what happened to Jamal Crawford. Jamal HATED Mcmillan. Look at him now. Mcmillan is a control freak. NFW.

The ONLY reason Green is starting, because he wants to keep the 2nd team together. OMG, Sam doesnt know that? Do you go to the games? I just couldnt hold back anymore. CLOWN SAM!

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Woah relax with the personal attacks. Shocked

Yea I don't think Nate is a clear upgrade over Vinny. It would be a lateral move at best that would probably make us worse due to adjusting to a new coach and as you said I never saw Nate run a good PG oriented offense.

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^i dont think thats a personal attack considering clippersam engages in trollish behavior. we get it. he doesnt like vdn. but hes always bantering about the same s***. enough is enough.

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Willie played OK. Will he be a third stringer? Cp, Billups. Green. Can you say "Fire power"? When Butler's hot---

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It's not like Green's TERRIBLE, What do you want from him? 20 and 10? He's our THIRD THIRD not 2nd but 3rd string sg. He's shooting 53% from field and 46 from the 3! Getting 9 points per game in 19 minutes! Now let's see our "OHH So Precious Bledsoe" 18 minutes 10 points 49 from field 20% from 3. UNDERSTAND WHY HE AIN'T STARTING? He's our energy punch from the bench and I prefer it that way!

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There is much more to basketball then spot up shooting. If you cant see bledsoe is way better then green you have a problem. Bledsoe should not start but he needs to play more. Take away some of greens minutes give them to bledsoe and our team would be better off.

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Would be better off? You mean Bledsoe would be better off. If you didn't notice, Bledsoe is already showing signs of being the first disgruntled player . He got mad when VDN took him out in Portland late in the game after he couldn't sustain the lead for us. Funny that after he was benched, and VDN slowly put our starters in, we got extended our lead for the easy win.

This team is about sacrifice and if Bledsoe can't accept that, we;d be better off with Willie taking more of his minutes.

Bledsoe has a record of getting into a coach's space. He's already been suspended for that once.

I wish some of you guys would realize this is bigger than Bledsoe.

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Joe Bledsoe was mad at himself is what I perceived personally. Even if he was mad at Vinny he has every right. Plays very good D and does other things well and gets benched 2 minutes later lol? Play that 3 guard lineup you were so fond of last year Vinny.

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He has a right to? he's a freaking bench player on a rookie contract that has been suspended once before for that type of conduct. Play the 3 guard line up I was fond of? I was never fond of that. But if we were to go that route, I'd rather have that with Billups, Crawford, and CP3.

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clipper*joe wrote:
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Joe Bledsoe was mad at himself is what I perceived personally. Even if he was mad at Vinny he has every right. Plays very good D and does other things well and gets benched 2 minutes later lol? Play that 3 guard lineup you were so fond of last year Vinny.

He has a right to? he's a freaking bench player on a rookie contract that has been suspended once before for that type of conduct. Play the 3 guard line up I was fond of? I was never fond of that. But if we were to go that route, I'd rather have that with Billups, Crawford, and CP3.

i dont think he was really mad at VDN but himself like CF86 was saying. I can also understand him wanting to be playing though. He has been playing really well, sometimes better than CP3 for spurts and VDN doesnt rotate him like he is.

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I agree, in spurts, Bledsoe has looked like the best player on our squad. But just like the Blazers game, he was not able to restore order and help seal the win so VDN made the wise choice and it paid off.

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I don't like all this talk, Bledsoe is a BENCH player. He's not a complete player either! His decision making has improved drastically. But his shot needs to improve! His place is on our bench! Minutes will come when he deserves them IE he's firing on all cylinders, and believe it or not that's not EVERY game!

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Joe no doubt CP3 should be the one closing games, even if Bledsoe is playing better. What I have issue with is BEFORE the 4th quarter when Bledsoe is killing it and gets pulled just a couple minutes later. BTW I didn't say YOU were fond of 3 guard lineups, Vinny is.

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One of the things I've noticed about Bledsoe is that he only knows how to play at one speed, and that speed is very very fast. He plays with all of his heart for each and every single minute he's out there and because of that, he gets pretty winded. Every time he goes to the bench he looks like he's completely out of breath. Usually when you're that winded it takes a little bit longer for you to catch your breath and get your legs back under you which I think may be a reason for why Eric Bledsoe gets a little bit less playing time than we'd all like to see. I don't know if this is actually true, it's just an observation I'm making that would help justify his lack of minutes.

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