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Post subject: What about trading our 7th for Kirk Hinrich?
 Posted: May 26, 2008 - 11:06 PM PST
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| I am undecided on this guy. It is possible he had a bad year last year. I was talking to a guy from Chigaco and they say he is the real deal point guard. It might be worth taking his contract. He's on the move with Derrik Rose in the picture. |
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Posted: May 27, 2008 - 12:35 AM PST
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| If they pick Rose, keeping in mind the fact that they still have the dependable Duhon, and especially considering the size of Hinrich's contract over the next few years, if the Bulls could deal him it does seem they would. I'm like you though clippersblue, undecided. He was a team captain, which says good things, his assist to turnover ratio over his career is pretty constant (around 3 to 1) with around six and a half per game, and he is a good defensive player. (2nd team all defensive in '07). But his shooting numbers were down last year from two years ago. The question is not though, were last years numbers the anomaly, but were the better numbers two years ago? In '07 he shot almost 48% from the field. In his other 4 years, 42% or less. So did he peak in '07 and then return to normal last year, or did he just misplace his shot after coming into it? He had his free throw stroke both the last two years (a respectable 83%) so he wasn't completely clueless shooting the ball despite his from the field numbers last year. He's definitely a solid guy, and after that '07 season was looked by some to be in the second echelon of point guards in the league. But that was after the '07 season, he fell off somewhat last year. I'd just feel better about the prospect if I knew he'd found his shot again. Plus, he wouldn't come cheap. We might get him for the pick, but we'd also get the three or four years left on his contract, which pays around 8 mil per. Select a point with the pick and you roll the dice, but for three years it's a pretty inexpensive roll. And of course, you pass on the chance for a new and exciting athlete to add to the mix. Someone like Westbrook, or Augustin, and yeah, both would be gambles, but they'd be interesting ones. Still, Hinrich can be a solid leader and, other than that whole "nobody's mistaking me for John Paxon anymore" thing, could likely run a team like ours well. Tough decision. |
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Posted: May 27, 2008 - 12:58 AM PST
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dwb wrote:
If they pick Rose, keeping in mind the fact that they still have the dependable Duhon, and especially considering the size of Hinrich's contract over the next few years, if the Bulls could deal him it does seem they would. I'm like you though clippersblue, undecided. He was a team captain, which says good things, his assist to turnover ratio over his career is pretty constant (around 3 to 1) with around six and a half per game, and he is a good defensive player. (2nd team all defensive in '07). But his shooting numbers were down last year from two years ago. The question is not though, were last years numbers the anomaly, but were the better numbers two years ago? In '07 he shot almost 48% from the field. In his other 4 years, 42% or less. So did he peak in '07 and then return to normal last year, or did he just misplace his shot after coming into it? He had his free throw stroke both the last two years (a respectable 83%) so he wasn't completely clueless shooting the ball despite his from the field numbers last year. He's definitely a solid guy, and after that '07 season was looked by some to be in the second echelon of point guards in the league. But that was after the '07 season, he fell off somewhat last year. I'd just feel better about the prospect if I knew he'd found his shot again. Plus, he wouldn't come cheap. We might get him for the pick, but we'd also get the three or four years left on his contract, which pays around 8 mil per. Select a point with the pick and you roll the dice, but for three years it's a pretty inexpensive roll. And of course, you pass on the chance for a new and exciting athlete to add to the mix. Someone like Westbrook, or Augustin, and yeah, both would be gambles, but they'd be interesting ones. Still, Hinrich can be a solid leader and, other than that whole "nobody's mistaking me for John Paxon anymore" thing, could likely run a team like ours well. Tough decision.
Great thorough observation DWB. By the way, happy 100th post! |
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Posted: May 27, 2008 - 01:06 AM PST
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| Thanks man! 100! I was feeling all experienced and such, then I looked around at some of the "Clipper's starter" numbers. Shooooot... I should still be in the developmental league! |
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Posted: May 27, 2008 - 07:11 AM PST
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K H has always been one of my favorite PG's. He's a solid guy who's as tough as leather. He's a no flash blue collar guy. He'd fit well with Dunleavy's system. I think it's more likely for a good player to have a bad year that a bad one to have a good one. Maybe he caught Bullitis. He and Sasha  would make a great back court. There's nobody they'd want from us in trade. Maybe a draft pick. |
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Posted: May 27, 2008 - 12:39 PM PST
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| Hinrich is making about $10 million and has at least 3 years left on his contract. So we'd have to be really sure he's the right guy oherwise we'd be stuck with a dog of a contract for a LONG time. |
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Posted: May 27, 2008 - 09:06 PM PST
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| Hmmm Hinrich is a good player no doubt about that, however if push comes to shove I think we should aim higher. But hinrich does sound good.ottalay! |
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Posted: May 27, 2008 - 09:44 PM PST
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| Yeah I agree Ether...and very good analysis DWB. Congrats on your 100th post. You dont post a ton of stuff, but when you do, it's top notch. Yeah I'm not sure about Hinrich. I'd rather draft from #7 than trade it for Kirk. I'm still sold on Russell Westbrook. It would be nice to trade down and pick him. 7 seems high, but then again, once workouts start, he may shoot up and then he'd be right in our hands. |
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Posted: May 27, 2008 - 09:44 PM PST
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| I remember they said Hinrich's shot disapeared because he didn't have any big men to throw the ball down to. I am really undecided about bringing him in, but it probably would be worth the risk. We need to win now, not later. Brand isn't going to wait for Mayo, Bayless, Westbrook to develope. He will opt out if we don't win next year. I say Ben Gordon over Hinrich, but I wouldn't say that by much because Hinrich is better at running the point. |
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Posted: May 27, 2008 - 09:45 PM PST
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Yeah you do make a good point - clippersblue. If Brand gets re-signed then it may be worth developing a guy, but if he wants to see results soon, a guy like Hinrich may be what we need.
It's always preferred to draft guys to first be backups and then develop into a starter's role (if they do well enough), but not everyone has that luxury and sometimes you gotta hope a young guy can step in like Chris Paul or Deron Williams did. |
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Posted: May 28, 2008 - 12:33 AM PST
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dwb wrote:
Thanks man! 100! I was feeling all experienced and such, then I looked around at some of the "Clipper's starter" numbers. Shooooot... I should still be in the developmental league!
Quality over quantity...thats what I always say. Your posts are definitely quality. Keep it man, always look forward to your insight.  |
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Posted: May 28, 2008 - 12:44 AM PST
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Yeah congrats dwb- I always enjoy reading your posts too. You always put a lot of though into it.
As for the trade- I'm a little iffy there mainly because like ether said the guy makes like $10 million. Plus don't we have to give up more than just the pick to balance the salary? I'm not sure how the financials work and rules when it comes to trading draft picks for existing players. |
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Posted: May 28, 2008 - 01:23 AM PST
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Posted: May 28, 2008 - 07:38 AM PST
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| KH's $ seem the same as Corey's. Corey had big numbers this yr because EB was out so don't look for him to do that if he's here nxt yr. We won't have to worry as much about TO's He also is (was) more consistant a shooter and is just as good at the line and he won't get hurt. Another reason not to keep Corey |
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Posted: May 28, 2008 - 04:47 PM PST
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| Corey Maggette is a much better player than Hinrich. Please, lets set our standards just a little higher |
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Posted: May 28, 2008 - 05:01 PM PST
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OneNationUnderClip wrote:
Corey Maggette is a much better player than Hinrich. Please, lets set our standards just a little higher
That may be true, but a good PG has more value to us than a good wing player(who is just a statpadder). Take into account Hinrich is also a much better defender. Which other PG's can we realistically get for Corey or are you satisfied with two frail bodies(Livy and Knight) as our PG's? |
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Posted: May 28, 2008 - 05:05 PM PST
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| Heinrich for our 7th, are you high? That's not even equal trade value |
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Posted: May 28, 2008 - 09:47 PM PST
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Congrats on ur 100th post and beyond, as for this trade hmm if can have its ups and downs
I'm sure where ever Corey goes he will shine due to the fact that he's finally traded so even if it seems as an uneven trade I still think we should consider the fact that we need to fill the guard spot noticebly at the moment. So taking a look at the PG's that could make our team shine is good, but we have to remember the draft. Chicago could have their own plans and decide not to trade with us.time will tell.ottalay!<---I gotta be me |
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Posted: May 29, 2008 - 12:35 AM PST
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| What would be a better value is Corey for Hinrich and Deng!!!! |
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Posted: May 30, 2008 - 09:28 PM PST
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balla wrote:
What would be a better value is Corey for Hinrich and Deng!!!!
Balla, Chacolla, 20 inch rims on de impala!, soory its just your name made me remember that song. As for Hinrich and Deng...yeah but not likely, or is it. |
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