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Post subject: If Kobe was sent to the Clippers how would you react
 Posted: May 27, 2008 - 09:10 PM PST
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| Well its an ackward question, but a question none the least. Your reactions my fellow bethen & sistas |
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Post subject: RE: If Kobe was sent to the Clippers how would you react
Posted: May 28, 2008 - 01:25 AM PST
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i would stop being a clipper fan.
i hate kobe |
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Post subject: RE: If Kobe was sent to the Clippers how would you react
Posted: May 28, 2008 - 03:46 AM PST
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i would find the nearest bridge, or go to the games and boo kobe...
did i mention Go Sonics, Orlando or ANYONE!!!
CLIPPERS > Any other team
CLIPPERS + KOBE = NO CLIPPERS AT ALL |
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Post subject: Re: If Kobe was sent to the Clippers how would you react
Posted: May 28, 2008 - 01:48 PM PST
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Drunktony wrote:
Well its an ackward question, but a question none the least. Your reactions my fellow bethen & sistas
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Post subject: RE: Re: If Kobe was sent to the Clippers how would you react
Posted: May 28, 2008 - 03:04 PM PST
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| not take my girlfriend to any more home games in fear of Kobe raping her. Yeah, i said it. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: If Kobe was sent to the Clippers how would you react
Posted: May 28, 2008 - 03:42 PM PST
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| While I DONT hate Kobe and I think he's the best player in the NBA, I would rather not have him on our team for the sake of nearly every Clipper fan going insane with rage. Elton, Kobe, Al and Chris would make a great starting 4 of 5, but I'm pretty sure it wouldnt happen. |
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Posted: May 28, 2008 - 04:13 PM PST
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I'm a huge Clipper fan...but even I will admit, I WANT KOBE! I wanted him in '04 when he almost signed with us and I want him on our team now. Why wouldn't you want the best player in the league?
Let me ask y'all...who would you rather have? Mobley or Kobe??? |
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Posted: May 28, 2008 - 05:31 PM PST
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| Ok. Though obviously much reviled by a whole host of Clipper faithful, the dude is the best player on the planet. Which I guess makes him the current best player in the known universe. Not bad when you think of it. So, I assume that most of the negative reaction is based on the off the court considerations? Because the past "let me do it all" Kobe does seem to be just that... past. His performance this year has been little short of spectacular. CP3 aside, Kobe did deserve the MVP, or he deserved it at least as much as Paul (yeah, I remember the forum discussions). I can't say anything much about his off the court doings... except this (you knew that was coming didn't you?) I will say that it seemed... odd, yeah I guess that's the word, that his accuser would be so willing to drop criminal charges for the prospect of civil ones. Doesn't the civil version come with a potentially significant payoff? Kind of makes you wonder where her priorities really were. I fully realize the concept of "no means no" and certainly there is no excuse for any sort of forced anything! No excuse ever! I also know that celebrities are spotlighted as few others, and with that notoriety comes great temptation, and tremendous vulnerability. What actually went on in that hotel room is known to only two people, and even they may not agree exactly in hindsight, with each other certainly, or more importantly, even with what they originally reported themselves. Was Kobe wrong to cheat on his wife? Under the context of marriage as most of us know it, certainly. Does that make him inhuman. Hardly. Many of our most famous and most beloved icons have done as much. The litany of names would be truly impressive. The rape charge is what separates this instance, but the aftermath of that left much to be desired as far as certainty. You can argue that it was Kobe's money that "bought" the outcome, but that's all it is, an arguement, a moot point. If you have faith in the justice system then Kobe is free because there were questions about what was consentual and what wasn't. Again, his accuser decided to drop criminal charges and concentrate on the civil suit. What does that say? Was she bought off or was that her original intent all along? I don't know, and it's hard for me to judge, but the sequence of events might make you wonder. I do know that as a person he HAS done some very creditable charity work before and since, and will doubtless continue to do so, and that he has become one of the most articulate and polished front men the NBA has ever had. Most of us have needed a second chance at one time or another, so Kobe got his. Let's see if he makes the most of it, as a person... as a player you can't question his work. |
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Posted: May 28, 2008 - 06:12 PM PST
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| blah blah blah blah..... that was painful. For the love of God, STOP. Go on to the Laker forums and speak that nonsense to those horrible fans. Youre on a Clipper forum, act like it. Yeah, Kobe's a great player. But who cares? He's a Laker. Did he rape that chick? I dont know, probably i guess. But who cares? He's arrogant, he's selfish, and he thrashes his teammates when they are losing. EB has had one playoff season since he's been here, and has he ever ripped his teammates publicly and demanded to be traded? Hell no. Theres no room for acts of selfishness like that on this or any Clipper team. Thats why I love being a Clipper fan. They represent the best in basketball and what it means to be a fan. We are blue-collar, loyal, and enthusiastic fans. Win or lose, we are their for the team. Elton Brand especially represents true class. Kobe Bryant, as great a player as he is, represents what is wrong with sports. How can you give the guy an MVP when at the beginning of a season he acted like such a jerk? Did we all forget about that? Do I need to replay that video of him in the parking lot completely ripping apart the 19 year old Bynum? Ive never seen anything like that. Until he got exactly what he wanted, he was the leauges and any teammates least valuable player. I dont want Kobe on my team because I want to assemble a Clipper team that stands for everything he is not. Teamwork, loyalty, and appreciation. Appreciation of the fans that create his paycheck. The Lakers can keep Kobe, we dont want him, and obviously, he never wanted us. Him not signing with the Clips a few years ago was the best thing that ever happened for the franchise. We want to win, but not that way. |
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Posted: May 28, 2008 - 07:12 PM PST
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OneNationUnderClip wrote:
Teamwork, loyalty, and appreciation. Appreciation of the fans that create his paycheck. The Lakers can keep Kobe, we dont want him, and obviously, he never wanted us. Him not signing with the Clips a few years ago was the best thing that ever happened for the franchise. We want to win, but not that way.
We've got 2 of the 3 in bold. Teamwork is the one that is non-existent. Say what you want, but Kobe avg. more assists and is a better passer and playmaker than anyone on this team. I could care less about what he does off the court, as a matter of fact, he's friends with Maggs and EB(does that make them bad people?). Given the makeup of this team, Kobe would've taken us over the hump in the '06 playoffs - we would've won it all. Prior to this season, it was widely thought that he made wrong decision in choosing the Lakers over the Clips(who was the more talented team).
The point is, I want to win. We want to win. And whether it's Kobe, Lebron, CP3, D-Wade, D-Howard, whoever can and is willing to help us win, I want them on board. You've got to take risks in order to win, which is what we should've done last season when we had the chance to get Iverson and did nothing...and look at where that got us. |
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Posted: May 28, 2008 - 07:24 PM PST
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| Welcome to CTB OneNationUnderClip! I think dwb was just being un-biased there. He is definitely a Clipper fan! |
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Posted: May 28, 2008 - 09:06 PM PST
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| Um can i have at least 6 bottles of don julio every clipper game. Prob not so no, i am a fan of people who conduct themselves in areasonable manner at all times.( Not only when they want to win an MVP award.) |
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Posted: May 28, 2008 - 09:41 PM PST
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| Ok I've heard good things, such as clipper fans hating it(thats good) but I must say, if we could get Phil Jackson our salary would increase due to the popcorn chicken sales.ottalay! |
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Posted: May 28, 2008 - 11:18 PM PST
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Well put DWB. Sorry OneNationUnderClip, but I think any true fan of basketball puts aside team affiliations when evaluating other players. The Clippers are my team too and I wouldnt trade that for any other team, but I cannot stand when so-called "fans" think the world revolves around "their team" and everyone else is inferior. It's the game of basketball. It's the greatest sport (in my opinon). If you can't see the game for what it is (beyond all the superstardom), then you're really missing out.
I'm sorry though...THE GUY WANTED TO WIN. He CANT do it all himself. Michael Jordan couldnt do it all himself. He spoke up and things have come together this season. Minus the adultury incident, Kobe has been a total professional in his career. Give me some quotes about how Kobe ripped his teammates, and I'll tell you that you put way too much stock in what is FED to you. You arent involved in the day to day musing of the NBA, so why do people get so riled about stupid stuff. You only know what is FED to you, so take it for what it is. If you are enterained by Kobe, then he's done his job...If you're not, then so what, give up the hate.
One more thing...If the Clippers are so fond of teamwork and hard-work...then they'd have no problem with Kobe being the go-to guy and the rest of the team doing everything else to help him score or themselves score when they're counted upon. Any one of the Clippers players would take Kobe on their team in a HEARTBEAT. |
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Posted: May 29, 2008 - 02:44 AM PST
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Clipper 6th Man
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| Jlemmen43 I think you pretty much nailed most of the way I feel about it, but… as this is a forum and I do enjoy a good debate, I would submit: OneNationUnderClip you say that Kobe is arrogant and selfish. Ok, but you also agree that he’s a great player. I would even suggest that history will show him finally to be on the level of a Jordan or Bird. Certainly his rings, and stats will be comparable. As it happens they were two of the most arrogant and demanding players ever to step on the court. Both were famous, or infamous depending on whether or not you were the target, for trash talk. Both were hugely arrogant guys, and of course, they could back it up. Bird once shot at least half a game on a west coast trip against Portland left handed. Just because he could. That's pretty freaking arrogant. And selfish? Well, if you’re going to average say… 26 or so points, you’ve got to take a lot of shots. In fact, you are expected to take a lot of shots. Is that selfish, or are you earning your stratospheric salary? In 2001, Allen Iverson was the darling of Philadelphia and the league MVP averaging over 26 points a game shooting 42%. This year Kobe’s averaged 28 shooting 46%. I guess there are degrees of selfishness. As for thrashing his teammates when they’re losing… Jordan was well known for doing everything but PHYSICALLY doing the same, and he even bordered that on occasion (read John Williams’ book “Loose Balls” for some interesting Jordan insights) and if the Celts hadn’t won that next game, and gone on to win the series, would Bird’s famous “we played like women out there” and “sometimes some of our guys just play like they’ve got no heart” statements be seen as the inspirations to victory that they’re thought of as now, or would that be thrashing teammates publicly? The trade demands… well I happen to agree with you there, I think that stuff should be kept in the clubhouse, but my understanding was that Bryant was frustrated that management wasn’t doing anything to change the team’s prospects. Which leads me to the Bynum thing… if I got it right, that was pre-season, before Bynum was a contributor, and Kobe was bemoaning the fact that the Lakers didn’t pull the trigger on the Jason Kidd deal, which they (very wisely as it turns out) wouldn’t do if Bynum had to be included. In his mind, Kobe’s “want to win right now” mind that is, that trade was probably a no-brainer. I mean think about it, an untested big man… 19, with a 19 year olds’ skills, versus a Hall of Fame point guard? If you’re Kobe and you want to win RIGHT NOW isn’t it possible that you’d want that deal made? If someone asked you about it on some bootleg video, what might you say? And, if it’s any consolation, currently as far as their particular relationship is concerned, Bryant is now all praise for the much improved Bynum, and actually mentors him to varying degrees, especially defensively. His teammates don’t seem to have any problem with him either. The last interview I saw with them, and him, everyone was all smiles and the big issue was if Kobe going to pick up the check for the traditional team dinner again as they watched the final Hornet/Spurs game. Winning heals all kinds of hurts. OneNationUnderClip, obviously it’s cool if you don’t like the guy, everybody’s entitled to an opinion. I guess I just don’t see those transgressions quite as black and white as you. On the plus side… we are in definite agreement about the importance of teamwork and real effort, the classiness of Elton Brand, and how nice it would be to see the Clippers win consistently. So I hope I’m not still banished to the Lakers’ forums. |
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Posted: May 29, 2008 - 03:23 AM PST
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My English isn't still ready to participate in these long essays battles (I do it for your eyes health...) But anyways, I read everything you wrote and it has been very entertaining. Kobe is the best world basketball player in the world. A little selfish, OK, but which NBA star isn't a little selfish?? Kobe is a winner and I love these kind of players.
You see the games versus the Spurs and the other day he had two fastbreak baskets alone and he put the ball inside the basket with a ton of energy, when he could have just dunked the ball with an average dunk, just showing the way he was feeling the game: with desire, passion, determination...(with a finger and a back injury).
Kobe is a superclass player and he would be the best player who ever had worn a Clipper jersey so if he wanted to come I would receive him with open arms. |
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Posted: May 29, 2008 - 12:06 PM PST
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Dwb, I hope there are no hard feelings. I dont doubt your Clipper fandom, if you will. Im sure you are a great and devoted fan. The topic here is Kobe Bryant, and if we would want him on the Clippers. How could you not? He's a great player, maybe one of the best of all-time. Its more of a pride thing. He had his chance to be a Clipper. A chance to win right then and there, and he decided to stay with the Lakers. On the one hand, that showed loyalty to the franchise that made him what he was and I can respect that. On the other hand, did it show you a strong desire to win? He signed with an inferior team at the time for more money and because well, the Clippers were the Clippers. He could of played alongside Elton Brand, but instead chose a team where he would be the only option and score 50 points a game Dont tell me Kobe is just a guy THAT WANTED TO WIN. Really? Im sure he did, but there are 500 other guys in the NBA that would sell there own mother for a chance to win a ring. And wanting to win is never an excuse to rip your teammates and your GM, even if Bird and Jordan did it too. Especially when your teammate is 19 years old, and can be broken pretty easily. But its ok cause he's mentoring him right now. Sorry. No. I rewatched that parking lot video of Kobe and he says some pretty nasty stuff. Frustrated or not, it showed a lack of class and character. I gaurantee you Elton Brand wants to win more than you could ever imagine, and Sterling, Baylor, and Dunleavy havent exactly done a great job surrounding him with the supporting cast he needs. And you can bet he's frustrated, but has he ever said one word about his teammates? Ever demanded a trade or ever demanded anything for that matter? Of course not. But all is forgiven with Kobe because the Lakers had a good season and he finally got what he wanted ( that Pau Gasol trade was highway robbery by the way) and he learned to play with his teammates. And did we not forget about him driving Shaq out of town? That worked out pretty well for the Heat though. They won their first franchise championship, got Shawn Marion for Shaq, and will probably draft Michael Beasley in less than a month. Anyways, all im saying is you cant deny Kobe is a great, great player on the court, and any team would of course love to have him. But as a person, a husband, a friend, an employee, and a teammate, he's been less than ideal in the past.
And one last thing: JLemmon - I never said that the world revolves around only my team and everyone else is inferior. Please dont put words into my mouth. I'd like to think I have an extremely open mind, especially when it comes to sports. But when it comes to Kobe Bryant, he's never shown me anything, except that he is a great player on the court. I have absolutely no respect for him off the court or as a person. JLemmon and Dwb, I respect both of your opinions and automatically like you both for being members of a Clipper-fan forum. But come on, your Kobe and Laker love is suspect! |
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Posted: May 29, 2008 - 06:02 PM PST
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| Hard feelings? No man... it's a forum. To me that means open discussion, debate even. I figure as long as we don't badmouth the Clippers for no reason, and/or without offering solutions or ideas and suggestions for improvement, everything is cool on Clippers Topbuzz. The people on here are pretty smart, and everyone has an opinion. They don't all agree with everything I say, and I don't... well you get the idea, but that's good because I learn from opposing opinions. Like I said, I enjoy a good debate, so our Kobe back and forth is just that, back and forth. I just don't see his transgressions in as harsh a light as you, so we can agree to disagree on the man... no big deal, we're still both Clippers fans. Now then, about that "Kobe and Laker love being suspect" stuff. I know that you're kidding, but I'll just say I love good ball, no matter who plays it. Uh... is it ok to admit that being originally from Miami I'm also a closet Heat fan, and a stone DWade guy? And as long as I'm being honest, you should know that I came to the Clippers late... via FSU and Al Thornton. But I've been a basketball fan for longer than I like to admit, so I wasn't completely naive about the Clips. All in all I'm glad that Thornton ended up out here in LA because I think the team has huge potential. Plus, I have really enjoyed the reception I've gotten here at Clippers TopBuzz, including the lively discussion. So, no hard feelings at all OneNationUnderClip, we're just talking. I look forward to more of the same. |
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Posted: May 29, 2008 - 06:15 PM PST
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It's a really interesting question. I'm not quite sure what'd I'd do...there are only two reasons why I dislike the Lakers: 1)Kobe 2) Bandwagoning(For many, not all) of the fans.
I think I'd still be a Clippers fan...but Kobe wouldn't be my favorite player for sure. |
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Posted: May 30, 2008 - 08:55 PM PST
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| ohh I'm a clipper rookie. ottalay! |
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Posted: May 30, 2008 - 09:21 PM PST
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| Concerning the Great # 8, Kobe is a disgusting human being but so is Malone but Karl kept his mouth shut (most of the time) The trade whining and complaining about Malone's pass at his wife should have been private. This denigrates the game. It is possible Garnet could have been a Laker ($$$) but I don't think any real st | | | | |
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