Clippers Vs. Hornets 11-26-12 Official Game Thread (P. 10)

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lucas26
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Because its not fun to be playing like this. But its still a long season. We will be fine.

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Did we even have a defensive scheme tonight?

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Im so depress. Can someone tell me a joke? I need to laugh.

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I also agree that we earned this loss. The game was pretty much Caron Butler vs. the Hornets. Wish we could have pulled off the win to make Caron's stats worth more.

We had horrible defensive rotations especially on Ryan Anderson. Half the time it seemed like CP3 was guarding him. Also I don't understand why VDN sat DJ almost the whole game, especially with Griffin having the worst game of his career. Turiaf could have also been used in limited minutes on defense.

Definitely the worst loss of the season. Hope the whole team will come out hungry for a win against Minnesota.

Anyone have injury updates on Billups, Thompkins, and Hill?

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Now look what you all did with your negativity... kid started drinking and Vinny-hating on the same day.

#IfYouCantBeatThem...

lucas26
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Horrible! Now we must play a Must Win game! I hate those games.

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Hookers and blow? anyone?

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I do, but they're poorly-coached, bad teams like the Pistons and Wizards.

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Wolves dominated us last year too. I'm not expecting a W.

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Haha

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cleepers wrote:
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I'm going to drink my A$$ off now to help get some perspective in me and realize this is only 4 games in a row we lost, and we still have 70 games to play! Wish me luck! And CONGRATULATIONS Caron Butler, you deserved a win bro, maybe next time!

Now look what you all did with your negativity... kid started drinking and Vinny-hating on the same day.

#IfYouCantBeatThem...

Down 3 bottles of water, and helped me realize that we played pretty good tonight( exception = Blake) and this was yet another case of opponent making everything from 3! >Starting to become a regularity!

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see, you don't know me but I can see where you'd find the intellectually lazy way out and label me. No, I don't love losses at all. I know we're in trouble right now but I think I am a bit more level-headed and realize this is bigger than the coach. Call me pragmatic.

This isn't really about me liking VDN, I don't think he's an elite coach. This is about people like you who came in when the getting was good and all you guys ever talk about is the same thing...Fire VDN.

This place has become a refuge for VDN haters. For over-reactionaries such as yourself who can't seem to hold conversations that aren't about VDN. The season is still young and until I see the true leader come back along with a healthy squad, I'll sit and watch to see with an open mind, not have some sort of deranged VDN tunnel vision.

If things don't pick up soon, and if we don't get out of this rut, then I might hope the team makes decisions that will better the team. But for now, I'll just present the players' side to counter all this needless VDN bashing. I see the games, and a lot of the stuff I see, are mistakes players are making. And those mistakes, are carelessness mistakes that have nothing to do with a coach. And judging by what I saw today, VDN yanked DJ out, and pulled the players out who were doing nothing.

Where does VDN go when even the subs are committing flagrant fouls like it's going out of style? You guys only see what you want to see and I am convinced you're missing the forest for the trees.

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CP3 telling it like it is...

"That's not a good team that beat us tonight, they are just well coached. We can't be losing to BAD teams like that".

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If we start making our layups and dunks at the same % as 3-pointers, we'll be alright.

Ridiculous shooting by NoLa... half of them with a hand in their faces.

lucas26
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CP3 just called the Hornets a well-coached no-talent team. Oh the irony!

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lucas26 wrote:
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Not sure why everybody thinks CP3 is leaving now, since HE'S playing badly, and I think he's probably smart enough to realize that he's been part of the problem lately.

Because its not fun to be playing like this. But its still a long season. We will be fine.

we are going to be fine. remember billups and hill are still on this team, yet to play

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didnt Monty Williams interview for the LAC job? and we went with instead?

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yeah, how many flagrant fouls did we commit? How many silly TO's? Where was Griffin? DJ? How about the CP3 committing stupid fouls for the last few games? Barnes and his tendency to commit flagrant fouls in key moments? Hollins committing flagrant fouls on a player already putting the ball in the hoop? yeah, tell me where your black and white world is at, love to visit some day.

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But just to be clear... when Phil Jackson loses, it's ALL on his players. wink

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Difference is he's my favorite player and want him to get out this funk. You on the other hand are on a VDN fatwa.

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^ Haha... Fatwa!!!

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Well, we're the opposite: a non-coached, talent-laden team.

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ekker3 wrote:
Clippersfan86 wrote:
CP3 telling it like it is...

"That's not a good team that beat us tonight, they are just well coached. We can't be losing to BAD teams like that".

didnt Monty Williams interview for the LAC job? and we went with instead?

Monty came at full price while vinny came half off courtesy of Chicago

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In Vinny's defense, he probably is coaching like a coach in the last year of his contract, going with what he feels is safe.

This team does not excel playing safe. We can't hang around till the 4th qrter like last season and hit a bunch of threes to win the game. Vinny's needs to flip flop his rotations and have more confidence in DJ and Bled, and play them AT THE SAME TIME.

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No... Dwane Casey was the other candidate, who Olshey wanted. He, by the way, is sucking in Toronto now. But it's not like great coaches were lined up out the door to come take over our lottery team. Now that we can have the pick of the litter coaching-wise, it makes no sense to keep a lesser coach who's clearly in over his head.

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He said that on purpose. an indirect way to go about our situation. because he also said they were a low talent team

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OptimusDimes wrote:
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he's been playing like garbage. he literally looks lost and/or indifferent out there.

One truth of the matter is that he has been bustn his but on D this year, and it's hard to become a two way player in one offseason. He already was exerting so much energy on O in his previous seasons that it's pretty much expected he would drop on O.

Sorry, he played no D tonight...NONE. If the ball wasn't going through him, he'd stand there on the elbow and watch the ball and jog back. I watched his demeanor throughout the game. Even his passes to CP3 were going through the motions.

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OptimusDimes wrote:
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Thanks for the hint...

Heres a hint for you.. No heart...... other than Caron Butler....

Heart? Oh thanx for the insight. Caron found his heart like the cowardly lion and Vinny is the Wizard.

Please. These players don't have a clue what to do when a teams has scouted them well, and Vinny sticks some rotation that he only knows why. At some point down 6 with 58sec left you call a timeout...and it's so funny the run came back with bled and cp3 on the floor at the same time...But keep putting the loses on the players. You really are showing how little you know about basketball.

So now because i don't agree with you i know so little about basketball.. That makes sense.. maybe if you read what ive been writing and not singleing out whatever you want to see, you would understand i am not pinning the loses solely on the players..

But what do i know im not bantering off like a idiot saying the earth is ending becuase its all VDN fault and everybody else is playing like champs just the coach sucks and everything he does sucks.. Sorry i don't roll with your motto.. i have a knack for being a little more realistic than people like you.

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One of the worst losses in a couple years. The Hornets are horrible yet we kept leaving them open. Even horrible joke teams like them can make wide open shots. Vasquez played like if he was a bonafide superstar, Austin Rivers even made some shots and he is really horrible. Jason Smith was making fadeaways, Ryan Anderson making 3s like he was Larry Bird. The Hornets (on a 7 game losing streak) are one of the most pathetic teams in the NBA and had lost 7 in a row and they beat us.

US?

Well. DJ was non existent. Blake was the most horrible I have ever seen him and Mike Smith was right he had the worst game of his career. Matt Barnes was missing wide open shots (he really sucks and never makes shots but he makess some heeere and there atleast but not tonight)...when we had a chance to cut it within 3 with a 3 ( when we had like 5 tries at a 3 with like a minute left) they give Matt Barnes the ball to shoot a 3? Really? He cant make wide open shots what makes them think he will make a contested 3? So many of the Clipper players were non existent. If it were not for Caron Butler we would have probably gotten blown out. Something is up. I dont know what or when but something happened. And it needs to be fixed quick because teams are not going to bend over and quit against us. Not every team is the Detroit Pistons who just brick, brick, turnover, turnover, airball, airball, brick, turnover, brick, foul, foul, brick..... and hand teams wins.

If The Clippers reach 500 on a losing streak Fire Del Negro. Hire whoever Chris Paul wants. We have to remember this is all or nothing. Oh and about Chris Paul. Something has been up with him too. Is it the Olympics? Is he hurt? Whatever it is he needs to step it up too cause without him we cant go. He makes all our team go and have that championship swagger we had had up until this point. We should have won today on talent alone since the Hornets have NOBODY. But we lost. We lost bad. Something happened or something is going on and since we are losing it will come out. We will have to wait and see.

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Personally, I think the players are tanking to get Vinny fired. If it means we get Phil, Sloan, McMillan, SVG, or JVG, I'm all for it.

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So it's clear that we are a good team with a bad coach. that's what chris means. time for a change.

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"Rational behavior requires theory. Reactive behavior requires only reflex action."

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People said exactly the same during last year's skid, then the players played their hearts out for about 15 games and kept him his job.

So much for that theory.

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wessleejr wrote:
Clippersfan86 wrote:
CP3 telling it like it is...

"That's not a good team that beat us tonight, they are just well coached. We can't be losing to BAD teams like that".

So it's clear that we are a good team with a bad coach. that's what chris means. time for a change.

I think it's time for some people to stop pretending to believe that the players respect Vinny.

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  1. Austin Rivers is garbage and will be a bust

  2. Jason Smith is still the scum of the Earth

  3. DJ sucks again

  4. Blake needs to stop doing the same goddamn post move every time he has it.

  5. Caron is the new Randy Foye

  6. The "2010 Rookie BG, no expectations" team has been funner to watch than this team.

  7. Bye CP3

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Are we gonna play like this against twolves? on TNT too. Sad

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cleepers wrote:
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Personally, I think the players are tanking to get Vinny fired. If it means we get Phil, Sloan, McMillan, SVG, or JVG, I'm all for it.

People said exactly the same during last year's skid, then the players played their hearts out for about 15 games and kept him his job.

So much for that theory.

Here's the thing: why do we have to go through that again? I can understand that we can't look great all the time, but another huge slump is something that shouldn't happen again.

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I can see another lose on wednesday, better not to watch I am more embarass watching the clippers lose for the fifth straight. I can see CP3's eyes in this games that really want to win, but blake is missing DJ is gone Odom as usual J-craw can't hit. WTH. And vinny did not do anything we have 3 time outs left after the game, It was CP3 coaching now the clippers. vinny is just a display.

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Grillinnap wrote:
wessleejr wrote:
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CP3 telling it like it is...

"That's not a good team that beat us tonight, they are just well coached. We can't be losing to BAD teams like that".

So it's clear that we are a good team with a bad coach. that's what chris means. time for a change.

I think it's time for some people to stopmpretending that the players respect Vinny.

He was ONE MORE LOSS from being canned last year, and they stepped up for him verbally and on the court. Blake signed up for 5 more years and it would have been the easiest thing in the world for CP3's agent to pick up the phone to Sterling/Roeser/Olshey and drop a hint that CP3 might be more inclined to stick around for a different coach.

Do you have any evidence to support your argument apart from Chris Paul saying something nice about his friend and former coach?

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So now because i don't agree with you i know so little about basketball..

I don't care if you agree with me or not. I responding to your response.

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But what do i know im not bantering off like a idiot saying the earth is ending becuase its all VDN fault

I quoted that from YOU. So please don't put words in my mouth. My dislike of VDN is well documented, and I can easily point things he does wrong every game. I just went throught that spill last season, so spare me the "I level headed" bit. This team is sucking right now and it has nothing to do with cost of tea in China.

4 three point attempts down only six with 58- seconds left? Really?

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Or maybe we should all stop pretending "we" know whats going on. it will save us a lot time.

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OptimusDimes wrote:
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So now because i don't agree with you i know so little about basketball..

I don't care if you agree with me or not. I responding to your response.

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But what do i know im not bantering off like a idiot saying the earth is ending becuase its all VDN fault

I quoted that from YOU. So please don't put words in my mouth. My dislike of VDN is well documented, and I can easily point things he does wrong every game. I just went throught that spill last season, so spare me the "I level headed" bit. This team is sucking right now and it has nothing to do with cost of tea in China.

4 three point attempts down only six with 58- seconds left? Really?

yeah i didnt like this possession. a layup would have helped us. oh and one more thing, the refs didnt review the 3's green and butler made that were called a 2 point shot. we should have been down 4, not 6.

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Let's slow down everyone. No one is tanking to get VDN fired.

Just a week ago we were riding high at 8-2 and power rankings had us at #1 or #2.

Teams have adjusted and DJ and Crawford have cooled off. CP3 is inconsistent and is turning the ball over, Blake is average, and our bench hasn't been as productive.

Let's see how the team responds this week before we start firing coaches and trading players.

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Here I'm thinking- okay- let's make a statement after that awful defensive effort vs the Hawks. Yeah- the Clippers made a statement alright. They didn't mind that they had lost 3 in row.

Granted the Hornets shot the lights out, but many of those plays were off of dribble penetration- either from Clipper guards getting beat easily or from screen and rolls. The man on man and the help defense on the switch were just ATROCIOUS. Just about everyone looked a step slow. They just were not prepared mentally for the game. I don't know if there was a practice the day before, or what the heck- the guys didn't come out ready defensively.

Interesting thing was that the guys flipped the switch and played D like mad men in the final 6 minutes. If they had played a similar stretch of defense anytime during the previous 42 minutes of the game, the result would certainly had been different.

Blake Griffin- just a nightmarish game- by far worst game ever. Only 4 points, left Anderson wide open countless times, and fouled out. it's really unfortunate that the coaching staff didn't draw up something for him to get an easy dunk/layup to get going. Chris Paul- got outplayed by Vasquez. Eric Bledsoe and Jamal Crawford, like CP3, got beaten off the dribble way too many times. DeAndre Jordan and Lamar Odom were just too slow in moving their feet once the guards were beat or picked off. Only guy who played decent defense tonight throughout the game was Matt Barnes, but even he made his share of bad passes that hurt the team. Caron's great shooting performance- wasted.

Let's see if the guys and the coaching staff are going to wake up. The Clippers must play smarter and harder on defense, or else many more games like tonight, the first 2 losses, and that Atlanta game will be the result.

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82-0 wrote:
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didnt Monty Williams interview for the LAC job? and we went with instead?

No... Dwane Casey was the other candidate, who Olshey wanted. He, by the way, is sucking in Toronto now. But it's not like great coaches were lined up out the door to come take over our lottery team. Now that we can have the pick of the litter coaching-wise, it makes no sense to keep a lesser coach who's clearly in over his head.

yeah i remember that, but i was talking about before we renewed VDN after last season.

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I talking about the season on a whole...I mean, he did just carry the team on offense the last time out.

I am going to go ahead and say it now. Even when this team gets it together during the season, a coach is going to pull Vinny pants down in the POs just like last season and spank his and our teams arse.

And did you see the last game when we were in a zone and the camera cut to Vinny asking the defense coach what defense we should be running?.. he didn't even look at VDN and said M2M, and Vinny immediately thru up the sign to switch back...but too late corner 3...I'm sure you can find it.

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-GeoffClankinsDaddy- wrote:
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Kevin Love just might torch us :/

might? the best power forward in the nba is going to kill us.

Even tho he's a stat stuffer... but he's definitely going to destroy us at the 3 point line

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If we can't win against a depleted Hornets roster, than I see us with NO chance of beating the Wolves, and than Dallas with their 3 point sharpshooter Mayo, this is gonna be a long season, not in the good way for us!

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cleepers wrote:
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Personally, I think the players are tanking to get Vinny fired. If it means we get Phil, Sloan, McMillan, SVG, or JVG, I'm all for it.

People said exactly the same during last year's skid, then the players played their hearts out for about 15 games and kept him his job.

So much for that theory.

More like they played hard because they were in danger of missing the playoffs. I don't think the players have one iota of respect for Vinny. The body language says it all, whether it's the players' smirking and giggling while they're getting blown out, or DJ's tantrums that he throws in order to show up VDN.

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He had 4 points.... this was the huge stat the clippers needed to look at.

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