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This is stupid.

I don't see DTS paying Phil Jackson money for Phil Jackson. Especially if he's trying to avoid traveling with the team on road trips and wants a ton of personnel control as well.

However, I could see Phil signing for less just to spite the Lakers after the embarrassment he suffered at their hands. Egotistical people are a trip, you never know what you're going to get out of them.

A loss to the hornets last season sparked a good streak last season if I recall correctly. It's still probably a bit too early to call for the coach's head given how strong of a start we had in the first 2-3 weeks, but if things don't shape up quick then we shouldn't hesitate to make a switch. This team has far too much talent to be struggling like this. There are no excuses.

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It's still early in the season. Phil is the only elite coach that's available.

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Who said they wouldn't use him as a PG? I think the best coach in basketball history knows how to manage the talent on any roster.

I think thats arguable.. Best coach in basketball?? maybe... he also did have the best SG's of the last 2 decades too... Not to mention the Most dominant Big man the league has seen in the past 2 decades as well..

I don't think it's arguable. You can't discredit any of the accolades because of 3 players. It's a team sport.

Oh, well if "you don't think so"... discussion over.

Let's not mention that Auerbach scouted and developed his own talent, designed his own offensive and defensive schemes (no Tex), and was a pioneer of the sport itself.

If Red had had scrubs like MJ & Scottie, and Shaq and kobe, he'd never have lucked into 8 championships in a row, would he.

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You specialize at being an idiot, don't you? Why is the discussion over? And I wasn't replying to you there, was I?

Please don't compare the level of talent during Red's era to the 90's-present day. Please don't.

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  1. The Bulls stopped paying Vinny 2 YEARS AGO!

  2. Yes, we had a series win, but we also got swept. It's a perfect excuse to fire a coach and claim "higher expectations".

and 3... of course they could change their minds, especially CP3 because he's still the flight-risk - but then that would make them as lily-livered as some of the posters on here that think it's fair for players to not give full effort and sacrifice the only guy that CAN'T affect the game with hustle and effort for the 48 minutes that matter.

  1. The Bulls stopped paying him but his contract with the Bulls was still the reason why DTS got him for cheap.

  2. No, we did not have championship expectations last year. We were still raw in terms of our potential as a team. A 2nd round appearance was an accomplishment for a team that had been a lottery-bound for four-five straight years.

  3. Again, why would CP3 show to the public that he's starting to hate VDN? He's not that type of person. I don't remember him killing Byron Scott's job. As far as I know, that was a personnel decision. And we're talking about a coach that has a much better resume than VDN. He was fired after a 3-6 start.

  • If CP3 didn't like Vinny, the cost of a new coach is peanuts compared with the lost revenue if he goes.

  • Championship expectations or not, plenty of fans (and pundits) were screaming for Vinny's contract not to be picked up this year. That alone is a good enough excuse to give him the boot. Add an 0-4 2nd round and it becomes an easy dismissal to justify.

  • Exactly... you don't KNOW what happened with Scott, and you'd never KNOW if the same happened to Vinny. If they didn't pick him up back in June, it could have been Sterling, Roeser, Olshey, Blake or CP3 that black-balled him, and there'd be nothing but rumor and speculation in the media.

  • I just think that VDN was kept mostly because of the .606 winning percentage (FWIW, it was also VDN's first winning season) and a 2nd round appearance. You keep saying I'm only speculating yet you're doing the same with "If CP3 didn't like Vinny, his option wouldn't have been picked up". DTS doesn't have a history of firing coaches after a playoff appearance because of how rarely we make the playoffs.

  • While the Spurs sweeping us had a lot to do with fans (most might be the better word, not just plenty since VDN critics outnumber you VDN supporters) wanting him gone, they still believed that he just doesn't have the reputation as a great coach. What were his greatest accomplishments before last year? A couple of .500 seasons with the Bulls, who lucked out to make the playoffs because of a weak conference? Vinny went straight to a head coaching gig without any assistant coaching experiences. Most fans will just have a hard time trusting this guy. That is just the way it is.

  • It would've been two different situations if Vinny's option wasn't picked up. Scott was fired during the season so he was still given another chance in the offseason prior to his firing. But mediocrity in November was not tolerated so he was fired after a 3-6 start. Do you think DTS would've fired VDN this season if we started 3-6?

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    What are you even saying?

    It has nothing to do with the "level of talent"... If you think it was better then, EVERYBODY was better... If you think it's better now, EVERYBODY is better.

    And I can reply to whatever post I want, no matter how asinine it might be.

    Now go look up asinine in the dictionary... I'll give you a clue... it's under "a".

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    cleepers wrote:
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    You specialize at being an idiot, don't you? Why is the discussion over? And I wasn't replying to you there, was I?

    Please don't compare the level of talent during Red's era to the 90's-present day. Please don't.

    What are you even saying?

    It has nothing to do with the "level of talent"... If you think it was better then, EVERYBODY was better... If you think it's better now, EVERYBODY is better.

    And I can reply to whatever post I want, no matter how asinine it might be.

    Now go look up asinine in the dictionary... I'll give you a clue... it's under "a".

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  • Yes, it was a good season, winning 60% and a series... and that is a good reason to keep him... for CP3 too. Do you realize that he has only been to the second round once in 6 years with NOH? In a lockout year with no camp and a completely new team, Vinny took CP3 just as far as he'd ever been before. And yes, Donald wouldn't want to fire a relatively cheap coach who equalled our best showing in years, but if his hand were forced, who wouldn't rather pay a couple of million extra for a new coach than start to see empty seats in the arena and jersey sales and TV viewership decline?

  • A reputation has to be built. And you need some bricks to do the building. He definitely overachieved in his first year with the Bulls. He took that team of raw youngsters and journeymen to 7 overtimes in 7 games against the triple-headed monster of Garnett/Pierce/Allen - coached by a guy who had proven nothing yet and was on the hot seat, but since almost losing out to Vinny's inferior squad has suddenly been recognized as a top-5 coach. The next year I'll admit he underachieved, but he was also dealing with injuries (particularly noah) and the loss of Ben Gordon, who'd been huge for Chicago. He may not have gotten a winning record there, but he also didn't have a losing record... in a conference where you could get to the playoffs with a losing record.

  • No, Vinny would definitely not have been fired after a 3-6 start when you look at our schedule. We had some brutal teams to face early on. This illustrates the problem... a lack of effort when playing weaker teams. Sure, a coach can run guys into the ground in practice as punishment, or take the opposite view and say "take some time away to get your heads straight", but the bottom line is that our players only get "up" for big games.

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    I have a hard time believing that our players simply can't "get up" for games against weaker teams. If that's the case then I'd put that issue on the coach's shoulders for not being able to motivate his players to win. Especially against teams that are obviously weaker than ours. The very least a coach can do, is make sure he motivates the players and puts the right guys in the right situations that will lead to a win. If he can't do that, then he's a waste of time, space and money.

    I'm not going to say we should fire VDN just yet, but as a fan I've been pretty upset with his rotations and decision making All season long. Even when we were winning, a lot of the rotations and adjustments or lack thereof, seemed pretty odd though we benefited greatly from ridiculous shooting performances from Jamal Crawford.

    Now that the honeymoon is over and we're getting a better view of some of the key issues that have been sugarcoated with wins, its become obvious that something needs to change.

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    Keatonsays wrote:
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    1. No, Vinny would definitely not have been fired after a 3-6 start when you look at our schedule. We had some brutal teams to face early on. This illustrates the problem... a lack of effort when playing weaker teams. Sure, a coach can run guys into the ground in practice, or take the opposite view and say "take some time away to get your heads straight", but the bottom line is that our players only get "up" for big games.

    I have a hard time believing that our players simply can't "get up" for games against weaker teams. If that's the case then I'd put that issue on the coach's shoulders for not being able to motivate his players to win. Especially against teams that are obviously weaker than ours. The very least a coach can do, is make sure he motivates the players and puts the right guys in the right situations that will lead to a win. If he can't do that, then he's a waste of time, space and money.

    I'm not going to say we should fire VDN just yet, but as a fan I've been pretty upset with his rotations and decision making All season long. Even when we were winning, a lot of the rotations and adjustments or lack thereof, seemed pretty odd though we benefited greatly from ridiculous shooting performances from Jamal Crawford.

    Now that the honeymoon is over and we're getting a better view of some of the key issues that have been sugarcoated with wins, its become obvious that something needs to change.

    Chris Paul gets paid $216,822 per game. He says he wants to win championships. If that's not enough motivation, there's not a man on earth who can change it.

    I'm not just picking on him, but motivation should not be an issue for players at this level.

    As for the tactical errors we were making when we were winning... the two most grievous were giving up offensive boards and turning the ball over. We've gotten better at both. Doesn't the coaching staff deserve some slack when the "issues" are trending well, and the players deserve some scorn when the "hustle" isn't there?

    Seems like every 50/50 ball goes the other way these days. You can't coach winning those possessions.

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    1. CP's past playoff results are irrelevant here, don't you think? Even then, when he made it tothe 2nd round, he was only 23. Now that he's 27, in the prime of his career, playoff failures are starting to get less tolerated. DTS' hands were forced. Don't talk about millions as if they were nothing to DTS. He is the same guy who did not fire Dunleavy when any competent owner would've done so. Dunleavy should've been fired in 2006-07 when we were projected to be a championship contender and we finished 2 games below .500. Dude ended up coaching 2 1/2 more years of lottery basketball. Now tell me how DTS would all of a sudden be willing to spend extra millions for replacement coach, given that he's never shown in the past that he has a low tolerance for failures. Face it, he was satisfied enough of the results last year to keep VDN regardless of whether or not CP3 liked the decision. CP3 is not the boss.

    2. Unfortunately, with this Clipper team, there's not enough patience to build a reputation especially when one of your stars is on a damn contract year. Injuries are part of the game. The team they faced in the playoffs, Boston, also suffered injuries and they still managed to win 50 games and were just one win away from the title. Ben Gordon left for free agency so stop using that as an excuse. And yes, that's the point. He couldn't go over .500 in the East. It's even tougher for him now in the West. 8-6 with this talent? Don't tell me that it's early because I remember we were making a big deal out of 8-2, don't suddenly think that you can just brush off an 8-6 record.

    3. The Hornets faced Dallas, San Antonio, the Lakers, Phoenix, and Boston (all playoff contenders that year) in their first 9 games so they did face tough competition before Scott was fired. If you want to talk about strength of schedule, we are freaking 0-3 against the likes of GSW, Cleveland, and NOLA and all of those were at home. Players are to be blamed, but if these slumps keep happening, this is is a sign of them not being on the same page with the coach. And you know in the world of sports, you can't fire the players.

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    Unbelievable!

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    It shouldn't be an issue, but the reality is that it is an issue.

    Chris Paul is going to make that $216,822 regardless of whether he wins the game or not. Hell, he doesn't even have to play that game and he'll still get paid for that game. All he has to say is his pinky toe was uncomfortable or he has a hangnail.

    I'm sure you know as well as I do that money isn't the only thing that motivates these guys, and there are a lot of different factors that go into motivating a single person, let alone a team of 12-15 people.

    There is an attitude adjustment that obviously needs to be made by the entire team, and it only seems right for that adjustment to start at the head.

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    I think this team is too reliant on Crawford's scoring. If he doesn't get around twenty we can't muster much offense . Crawford has always been known as the streaky type, that in itself cannot be relied upon.

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    Looks like Bill Simmons is gaining more credibility.

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  • Dude, Donald had a reputation for being cheap (even though it was before spending $50,000,000 on a practice facility, signing Brand, Kaman, Dunleavy, Baron... need I go on?), but paying an extra couple of million is NOTHING compared to what he'll continue to make with those CP3 and Blake jerseys, a new TV contract coming up and a streak of sellouts at Staples. You obviously don't run your own business - "speculate to accumulate".

  • "Injuries are part of the game"? ...tell that to Tom Thibodeau, and ask him to explain the title favorites getting bounced in the first round. And if it's tougher in the West, then isn't 8-6 better than .500 in the East? Does that not mean he's improved or is there some fuzzy math I'm not getting? And as for Ben Gordon... does it matter HOW a coach loses a key player? If he's gone, he's gone. You still have to game-plan. If we fire Vinny now, bring in Sloan and then CP3 still walks at the end of the year, Jerry's still gonna have to run a team without Chris Paul... so I don't know what point you were trying to make.

  • Fact is, our SOS was #1 in the league (at least until last night). Yes, we're 0-3 against GSW, CLE and HOH, but we're also 5-0 against MEM, SAS, MIA and LAL. The only one of the teams we've lost against that we would have a remote chance of seeing in the playoffs is GSW, and let's be honest, the best chance of us meeting them is in a 1-8 or 2-7 matchup... if we finish 1 or 2 in the West, then we'll have fixed our problems.

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    Keatonsays wrote:
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    Chris Paul gets paid $216,822 per game. He says he wants to win championships. If that's not enough motivation, there's not a man on earth who can change it.

    I'm not just picking on him, but motivation should not be an issue for players at this level.

    It shouldn't be an issue, but the reality is that it is an issue.

    Chris Paul is going to make that $216,822 regardless of whether he wins the game or not. Hell, he doesn't even have to play that game and he'll still get paid for that game. All he has to say is his pinky toe was uncomfortable or he has a hangnail.

    I'm sure you know as well as I do that money isn't the only thing that motivates these guys, and there are a lot of different factors that go into motivating a single person, let alone a team of 12-15 people.

    There is an attitude adjustment that obviously needs to be made by the entire team, and it only seems right for that adjustment to start at the head.

    You're right to an extent. Pride and money are intertwined. These guys want to peacock around each other, but their statistical also affects their next contract.

    I think CP3 and Blake (but also the rest of the team) are actually trying a little too hard to be the "cool" team, playing highlight ball. They don't exactly look selfish, but gambling for a steal has become more important (and featured) than simply closing out a shooter and boxing out the bigs... both have the same result, a won possession, but the solo play is more impressive to fans.

    The real test is going to be if they can chill out on the court together and just PLAY under the ever-increasing pressure, or if they'll start to doubt themselves and each other. This is when we find out if the China trip was legit bonding or just PR mush.

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    Why do you keep saying that merchandise and tickets sales revolve around VDN's fate? VDN stayed because of a rare achievement in franchise history. What are you trying to say here, really? The difference is Thibodeau lost his MVP. VDN never lost Rose to a major injury. Why do you even have to question why it's tougher in the West? It's so obvious. When was the last time the 8th seed in the East had a better record than the 8th seed in the West? Hell, when was the last time a losing team or a .500 team made the playoffs....

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    I know a lot of people will disagree but in my opinion this is all coming down to horrible coaching decisions.VDN just baffles me sometimes with his rotations.DJ only played 15 min which is just crazy.Now I understand he didn't look too good in those minutes but by taking him out and putting in Odom you are basically setting the rotations around the other teams offense.The reason why Odom was put in was because he is a better perimeter defender than DJ so he would have a better shot at covering Anderson,but why would you do that when instead you just give it to DJ and Blake in the post and have them go to work.No way should Anderson,Lopez,or Smith be able to guard Blake or DJ in the post.Not even on Blake and DJ's worst days should these guys be able to guard them.If they are struggling in the post against these guys then there is a huge problem that needs to be addressed asap.That is why I am not as excited that Blake is taking so many jumpers.It is definitely a great weapon but that isn't what made him the number 1 draft pick or rookie of the year.Attacking the basket is what did that.He was supposed to add the jump shot to his skill set to make him more of a threat and draw defenders out so he could have an easier time blowing by them and attacking the basket.Instead he is making the jump shot his main option for scoring which makes no sense at all and is the main reason his scoring is dropping off so much.And how could DJ drop 20+ points on Tim Duncan but not be able to get anything going against Lopez?

    By taking out DJ and not giving him the time to work things out you are just showing how much confidence you have him.I understand wanting Odom to play himself into shape but so far Odom hasn't shown anything positive so why give him 19 min when he is not doing anything.Also by setting the rotation around the other teams offense you are basically doing what they want.We need to force teams to adjust to our offense not the other way around.No other top team in the NBA does this.I never see the Spurs,Heat,or Thunder adjust to what the other team is doing especially when the other teams 2 best players are not even playing.Do you think the Grizzlies would go small against this same team?Or do you think they would abuse them all game long with Zbo and Gasol.Do you ever think the Lakers would have Howard play only 15 min because they were afraid he couldn't guard Anderson on the perimeter.If any other top team or even decent team was put in this situation they would capitalize on it by attacking the basket and going to the post.But we didn't do that,instead we did what they wanted and made this game into a shoot out.

    We need to play to our strengths which is driving to the basket and posting up which opens up room for our shooters.Besides Crawford,our wings don't create shots for themselves so what we do to get them shots is have Paul or Blake attack the basket and draw 2 defenders and then kick it out to our shooters.We could have done this all night but instead we gave into what they were doing and then we wonder why we could never catch them.We can't have a shoot out when we have CP3,Butler,Green,and Crawford who have proven to be streaky shooters and have Bledsoe and Barnes who aren't good 3 point shooters even when left wide open.Also why aren't Bledsoe or CP3 attacking the basket when the Hornets have no real low post defenders on the court and have Vasquez guarding them who is known to be a slower guard.Bledsoe and CP3 could have attacked a lot more because not only is Vasquez slow,but so are Lopez,Anderson,and Smith so they wouldn't be able to recover and protect the basket.Our offense made no sense and I saw nothing from VDN that made me think we could win this when we are doing what the other team wants.

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    This. I'm already counting loss 5 in a row and praying that, maybe, we can start to get right against SAC on Friday.

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    That seems like a big if now. I understand the season is young but this style of play and lethargic effort by our team as a whole is very reminiscent of that huge losing streak we had last year. It reeks of the same issues. And by the looks of our pace we are dangerously close to digging ourselves into a hole like last year that will give us a seed of anywhere between 4-6. Currently, the Warriors are the fourth seed and we are fifth. We have clearly struggled agaist that team and now at this rate we will play them in round one at their home...very, very likely ouster of our team by the warriors.

    This is a very serious issue right now. Its this pace that we are maintaining look at where we are headed with this style of play we have

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    hoopfanjd31 wrote:
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    Wolves dominated us last year too. I'm not expecting a W.

    This. I'm already counting loss 5 in a row and praying that, maybe, we can start to get right against SAC on Friday.

    I agree i dont see a win. But you know what maybe this is what our team needs: to be embarrassed like we hav e been to acknowledge there is something wrong and we need to identify these defficiencies and fix them.

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    I don't see DTS paying Phil Jackson money for Phil Jackson.

    After he paid CP3 money for CP3? Or hell, after he paid prime Shaq money for DJ? Come on now.

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    That was completely fabricated as part of the Busses' power play.

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    That'd be great.

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    all or nothing next game

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    That'd be great.

    It would be interesting to see what Phil could accomplish here. For one, he has never shied away from calling out players in public. His style of coaching is to really call you out and challenge you to get better. I think in some sense we do need a little of that here, and at this point no one would be exempt Paul, Griffin, DJ, Crawford would all be called out and encourage to step up their game.

    However, im not sure if the triangle would be effective here. That system neutralizes the point guard and focuses on the center. Still, at this point that may not be a bad idea Im not sure if Chris Paul is having the same effect that he used to.

    Overall, there are some intriguing possibilities with Phil but also a lot can go wrong

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    Phil could easily adjust the Triangle to fit our personnel. He made it work in Chicago with the likes of Cartwright, Wennington, and Longley at center. Granted, he had MJ, but Phil clearly couldn't focus on the center with that team.

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    Last night was honestly the most frustrating Clipper game I can ever remember watching. Even when we were making a comeback, I was still not excited. I honestly believe the Hornets have at most 3 or 4 players that could even make our roster, and that is pushing it. Yet we lose to them?

    I have been a clipper fan since i was 10. I am now 29. Sure, we lost a ton of dames over the last 20 years, but last night was just pathetic. Someone needs to light a fire under their asses. I do not care who it is, but I was really hoping I would read in the paper this morning that there was a players only meeting or something after the game.

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    I agree. If we lose the next game (which could definitely happen) VDN is prob going to be canned.

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    82-0 wrote:
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    However, im not sure if the triangle would be effective here. That system neutralizes the point guard and focuses on the center.

    Phil could easily adjust the Triangle to fit our personnel. He made it work in Chicago with the likes of Cartwright, Wennington, and Longley at center. Granted, he had MJ, but Phil clearly couldn't focus on the center with that team.

    The chances of Phil coaching the Clippers is...slim and none. If those are good odds for some of you...ok then, lol. When and if there's is a coaching change it won't be The Zen Master. JMHO.

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    Kevin Love the great white hype is back for the Wolves so as expected they have been losing of late. The Wolves have lost 5 in a row. Even then I see Love probably scoring his season high, Kirelenko probably scoring like 30, Williams 20something Pekovic, Shved and Chase Budinger (who? exactly you will see come wednesday) each scoring their season highs, shooting like Larry Birds and contributing like if they are all stars.

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    ^Budinger is out for a few months, so you can scratch him off your "season high" list.

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    The Wolves will absolutely embarrass us and run us out the gym.

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    At this rate the Lakers will get a better record than us....

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    In december, the flakers are mainly on the road. Smile the clips mainly at home except a 4 gm road trip to CHI, MIL, CHA and DET. also to utah twice. Very Happy

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    It wasn't suppose to be like this....

    We come out and beat Miami, San Antonio, Lakers, and the top teams

    we ALMOST win against OKC and Brooklyn

    and then we play down to Cleveland, Golden State, and New Orleans

    WTF ??? totally unacceptable

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    It's the sign of (surprise surprise) a poorly coached team.

    Phil wouldn't accept it, Sloan wouldn't accept it, Pop CERTAINLY wouldn't accept it.

    Vinny does though. Hell, he'll still give everybody lollipops, nap time, and days off. We're still over .500, guys! Yippee!

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    ^ Phil wouldn't accept 4 losses in a row?

    Check out his last 4 games coaching.

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    Phil could easily adjust the Triangle to fit our personnel. He made it work in Chicago with the likes of Cartwright, Wennington, and Longley at center. Granted, he had MJ, but Phil clearly couldn't focus on the center with that team.

    The chances of Phil coaching the Clippers is...slim and none. If those are good odds for some of you...ok then, lol. When and if there's is a coaching change it won't be The Zen Master. JMHO.

    http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8681965

    tense2
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    ^Yep...there's "that" chance.

    realbull17
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    I hope Sacks/Roeser are paying attention. its time for a new coach ASAP!

    CP3Best
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    If we would get Phil I think that would be awesome! And why wouldn't the triangle work with a pg?

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    Phil isn't coaching and was left high and dry by the Lakers choosing a non-finals coach instead. Sloan isn't coaching and it looks like it'll stay that way.

    Sloan and Phil can or can't accept it even if they wanted to make a choice...They're not in the league.

    No soup for you..Next!

    tense2
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    Because we're not getting Phil.

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    We would be paying $21,000,000 per year for the best read-and-react playmaker in the game, but telling him "don't worry, Chris... we don't need you to make plays". That system would also give DJ way more responsibility than he can handle.

    It's like getting a dog, but trying to teach your cat to bark.

    CP3Best
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    WELL Let's get SOMEBODY that knows what they're doing to an elite level!

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    I cant stand VDN but he isnt going anywhere. Sad

    ClipperSam
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    ^ I agree it's the unfortunate truth. The Clipper organization is too stupid and to cheap to realize the talent being wasted by bad coaching. DTS needs to wake up and realize that he is risking us also losing CP3 to free agency. What will the Clippers be if CP3 leaves. We need a coach CP3 and BG could be confident in. I am hoping that VDN will be fired soon. Hopefully someone at the Clippers is reading this!

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    I disagree. If CP3 wants VDN out, he'll be gone!

    The team obviously has made CP an assistant GM. He brought in his own players and will definitely bring in his own coach if not this year for sure next year.

    VDN or CP3 will be gone by next year or by trade deadline.

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