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Yeah... in a related story, the Pepsi company is reaching out to the boyfriend of the Coca-Cola heiress to be their new CEO... and they're prepared to pay him an unprecedented salary and sign a portion of the company over to him.

Sounds ludicrous, I know... but it was on twitter for 10 seconds, so it must be true. roll

Great example for those that don't get it.

But it was on twitter,,it must be true. Someone tell me when twitter says I won the lottery,,then the beer is on me !

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Well here's a bit of fuel for the nay-sayers... I am not taking a side. I think Vinny is great. I know Phil is great. I know Sloan is great (and IMO would be the best coach for our team right now). But I don't see our recent losses as a total fault of the coaching staff. Scary as this may sound, there may be a bit of personality clashes and player drama in the locker room (just going off of few signs from watching the games, especially the one I got to see @ Staples Center. Anyways...:

http://nba.si.com/2012/11/26/phil-jacks ... -comeback/

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Cp3 and BG, right?

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http://espn.go.com/losangeles/video/clip?id=8686252&categoryid= 4686950

I am aware of the things that Phil has said about our franchise, but as Stephen A says, this team's talent is scary. The things Phil said really does bother me, but the pride that a championship would bring to me, is bigger than the one I would swallow of Phil Jackson was the coach for our team.

yeah, the highest payroll couldn't help Phil from being swept in his last season. That's the phil we'd probably get if I were a betting man.

I'll take that chance. Beside Phil's worst season which is getting swept by Dallas was vdn's best season.

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http://www.faniq.com/blog/Blake-Griffin ... Blog-58430

Blake Griffin criticizes Vinny

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True. The other side of that coin is that Phil has to have the highest payroll to make things happen. Vdn has never had the highest pay roll to work with like Phil has. You want to know what the best coach looks like with only one star on his team? Look at 2006 to find out what it looks like. Phil is only as good as the money the teams spend on talent. And when you have the most money in talent and you still get bounced in the second round, it's time to hang things up. Or at the very least, look to spend the most money in order to make things work. When Phil didn't have the highest payroll, I don't think he's won anything. Keep that in mind when you realize we won't spend that much money for Phil.

And if Phil need to have the most money, then you have to question how much is the talent winning games.

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I'll take that chance. Beside Phil's worst season which is getting swept by Dallas was vdn's best season.

True. The other side of that coin is that Phil has to have the highest payroll to make things happen. Vdn has never had the highest pay roll to work with like Phil has. You want to know what the best coach looks like with only one star on his team? Look at 2006 to find out what it looks like. Phil is only as good as the money the teams spend on talent. And when you have the most money in talent and you still get bounced in the second round, it's time to hang things up. Or at the very least, look to spend the most money in order to make things work. When Phil didn't have the highest payroll, I don't think he's won anything. Keep that in mind when you realize we won't spend that much money for Phil.

And if Phil need to have the most money, then you have to question how much is the talent winning games.

he didnt have the highest payroll in the first 3 peat but yes he had Jordan. Reality is, VDN is most likely on thin ice so it is reasonable for us to speculate on good coaches.

Love or hate Phil he has led the talent well when given the opportunity. I would be stoked in a trip to the WCF

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I'll take that chance. Beside Phil's worst season which is getting swept by Dallas was vdn's best season.

True. The other side of that coin is that Phil has to have the highest payroll to make things happen. Vdn has never had the highest pay roll to work with like Phil has. You want to know what the best coach looks like with only one star on his team? Look at 2006 to find out what it looks like. Phil is only as good as the money the teams spend on talent. And when you have the most money in talent and you still get bounced in the second round, it's time to hang things up. Or at the very least, look to spend the most money in order to make things work. When Phil didn't have the highest payroll, I don't think he's won anything. Keep that in mind when you realize we won't spend that much money for Phil.

And if Phil need to have the most money, then you have to question how much is the talent winning games.

He won championships plural by not having the highest payroll so it balances out. 2006 Phil over achieved. That team did not belong in the playoff especially with smush Luke n brown in the line up.

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OR... Blake Griffin criticizes CP3.

OR... Blake Griffin criticizes himself and his teammates.

Del Negro's name wasn't even mentioned, but of course with fans like some of ours, that particular headline would receive many more clicks.

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he didn't have the highest payroll in the first 3 peat? The salary cap was at 35.5 million in 2000 when the 3peat started. The Lakers had 60 million in salary. Who had the most in that 3 year span? They had a stacked roster in those years and I'm almost positive they owned the top spot.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_salary_cap

Lakers 2000 salary

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2001.html

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cleepers wrote:
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http://www.faniq.com/blog/Blake-Griffin-Criticizes-Vinny-Del-Ne gro-Blog-58430

Blake Griffin criticizes Vinny

OR... Blake Griffin criticizes CP3.

OR... Blake Griffin criticizes himself and his teammates.

Del Negro's name wasn't even mentioned, but of course with fans like some of ours, that particular headline would receive many more clicks.

Really?

He said schemes

Who draws up the schemes?

The coach

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I'll take that chance. Beside Phil's worst season which is getting swept by Dallas was vdn's best season.

True. The other side of that coin is that Phil has to have the highest payroll to make things happen. Vdn has never had the highest pay roll to work with like Phil has. You want to know what the best coach looks like with only one star on his team? Look at 2006 to find out what it looks like. Phil is only as good as the money the teams spend on talent. And when you have the most money in talent and you still get bounced in the second round, it's time to hang things up. Or at the very least, look to spend the most money in order to make things work. When Phil didn't have the highest payroll, I don't think he's won anything. Keep that in mind when you realize we won't spend that much money for Phil.

And if Phil need to have the most money, then you have to question how much is the talent winning games.

The only reason this team isn't top 3 in payroll is Blake Griffin's extension hasn't kicked in

If everyone stayed on next year for the exact same price once Blake's extension kicks in we'd be in the 85+ million area

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Which year? Sorry, Phil has always had the highest payroll as a Lakers. maybe the Kwame years not, but it showed in the playoffs. By the way, they didn't overachieve, not when you had the best player in the league. Want to know what overachieving is? Brown taking a SCRUB team with a young Lebron to the finals. That's overachieving. Phil underachieved those years. Luke was a Phil guy who got Mitch to pay him all that money cause he knew the triangle. That was jackson who got him that contract.

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Lamar getting $8,000,000 will definitely NOT be the case next year.

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he didnt have the highest payroll in the first 3 peat but yes he had Jordan. Reality is, VDN is most likely on thin ice so it is reasonable for us to speculate on good coaches.

he didn't have the highest payroll in the first 3 peat? The salary cap was at 35.5 million in 2000 when the 3peat started. The Lakers had 60 million in salary. Who had the most in that 3 year span? They had a stacked roster in those years and I'm almost positive they owned the top spot.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_salary_cap

Lakers 2000 salary

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2001.html

first 3 peat AKA the one with Jordan and Pippen.

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He won championships plural by not having the highest payroll so it balances out. 2006 Phil over achieved. That team did not belong in the playoff especially with smush Luke n brown in the line up.

Which year? Sorry, Phil has always had the highest payroll as a Lakers. maybe the Kwame years not, but it showed in the playoffs. By the way, they didn't overachieve, not when you had the best player in the league. Want to know what overachieving is? Brown taking a SCRUB team with a young Lebron to the finals. That's overachieving. Phil underachieved those years. Luke was a Phil guy who got Mitch to pay him all that money cause he knew the triangle. That was jackson who got him that contract.

99-2000 and 2001-2002. Remember portland's owner Allen spending sh1tloaf of money tryin to buy a ring. Even Brian grant got a 90 million contract. Phil called Portland the best player money can buy cuz their salary cap was over 90 mil.

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Yeah, but that works the same for every team. You can't look at it that way, youy go by what the roster is paying out. But guess what? We're also paying out dead weight in terms of players who ain't worth a damn. Odom, Hill, and up until today, Billups. Odom's money fits perfectly into BG's contract next year so it's a wash...If you want to look at it that way too.

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3peat lakers got the 6th highest payroll in 2001

http://www.eskimo.com/~pbender/misc/salaries01.txt

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clipper*joe wrote:
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The only reason this team isn't top 3 in payroll is Blake Griffin's extension hasn't kicked in

If everyone stayed on next year for the exact same price once Blake's extension kicks in we'd be in the 85+ million area

Yeah, but that works the same for every team. You can't look at it that way, youy go by what the roster is paying out. But guess what? We're also paying out dead weight in terms of players who ain't worth a damn. Odom, Hill, and up until today, Billups. Odom's money fits perfectly into BG's contract next year so it's a wash...If you want to look at it that way too.

About a 5 million difference and that's without counting the extra 3 million tacked onto CP's new deal assuming he resigns

8 million added to our current payroll is still 80+

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My bad I was messing up the math

We wouldn't be at the 80 plus mark but we'd be hovering close to it and we'd still be a tax team

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touch'e! You got me. Good memory, I totally forgot.

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clipper*joe wrote:
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99-2000 and 2001-2002. Remember portland's owner Allen spending sh1tloaf of money tryin to buy a ring. Even Brian grant got a 90 million contract. Phil called Portland the best player money can buy cuz their salary cap was over 90 mil.

touch'e! You got me. Good memory, I totally forgot.

Yet Phil Jackson's Coaching beat them. Otherwise Portland would have won! Wasn't Mike Dunleavy the Coach. Go Figure.

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What? The difference in salaries is right but we ain't paying 80 million plus next season. You can't look at next years numbers and apply it here. lol

half the roster is expiring and not every one will be extended.

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And the Mavs swept Phil. What's your point?

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About a 5 million difference and that's without counting the extra 3 million tacked onto CP's new deal assuming he resigns

8 million added to our current payroll is still 80+

What? The difference in salaries is right but we ain't paying 80 million plus next season. You can't look at next years numbers and apply it here. lol

half the roster is expiring and not every one will be extended.

I just edited my comment

Also Bledsoe's contract kicks up next year as well

We're going to be in tax territory next year unless they find a way to cut Caron

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just like us (if Blake was on a normal contract) We are definitely primed to win a title under Philly J Smile

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Again, that's assuming we keep the team intact. Ain't gonna happen.

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Yet Phil Jackson's Coaching beat them. Otherwise Portland would have won! Wasn't Mike Dunleavy the Coach. Go Figure.

And the Mavs swept Phil. What's your point?

I would take my odds with a better coach anyday!

I don't expect you to get it!

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About a 5 million difference and that's without counting the extra 3 million tacked onto CP's new deal assuming he resigns

8 million added to our current payroll is still 80+

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My bad I was messing up the math

We wouldn't be at the 80 plus mark but we'd be hovering close to it and we'd still be a tax team

Again, that's assuming we keep the team intact. Ain't gonna happen.

Who are you assuming we'd cut?

No one wants Caron's contract, Willie has a near minimum contract, we're going to want Barnes back and he's a minimum guy anyways and I'm assuming Chauncey will play for us in some regard until he retires

Turiaf and Hollins are minimum contracts

Even if some of those leave you still have to replace them with other minimum contracts

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Forget Phil. I read on Twitter that Red Auerbach is going to rise from the grave and coach us. I think he'd be a way better fit than Phil. Get out those victory cigars!

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works for me Wink

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We don't need P-Jax.. besides he can't travel...

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says the guy that claims to know for a fact that guys who never coached a game in their lives will make better coaches than VDN.

Yeah, I don't expect to get lunacy.

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One of the centers is gone. Hill will probably retire. Green won't be needed if we keep Billups another year but I expect we keep Willie and let Billups go.

By the way, the cap might get bigger next season and we still can go to 60 million without hitting the tax. Plus, we won't be repeat offenders like other teams so that helps us.

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Who are you assuming we'd cut?

No one wants Caron's contract, Willie has a near minimum contract, we're going to want Barnes back and he's a minimum guy anyways and I'm assuming Chauncey will play for us in some regard until he retires

Turiaf and Hollins are minimum contracts

Even if some of those leave you still have to replace them with other minimum contracts

One of the centers is gone. Hill will probably retire. Green won't be needed if we keep Billups another year but I expect we keep Willie and let Billups go.

Why would we let Chauncey go?

Chris Paul went out and PUBLICLY said we need Chauncey back

There's absolutely zero reason to keep Willie over Billups and you have absolutely no evidence that Hill will retire

Why would he sign for two years if he planned on quitting?

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Yet Phil Jackson's Coaching beat them. Otherwise Portland would have won! Wasn't Mike Dunleavy the Coach. Go Figure.

And the Mavs swept Phil. What's your point?

Rick Carlisle is an elite coach in his own right.

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any coach is an elite coach with the right players. You find out what they're made of when they don't have them. hence his record today.

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yes, he did. Cp3 wanted Billups back. But when do you draw the line and realize that the absence is hurting the team more than it's helping. Nash says hello.

I have no evidence of anything. An d neither do you. Remember, it was you saying we'd be 80 million in salary. That's a big assumption from you yet, you have a problem with my assumptions? Figures...

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Is this guy even a real writer? He writes for a site called FanIQ and with in the first few words makes a mistake? Who is Jerry Sacks? I assume he is talking about our GM GARY Sacks, but maybe he made a Hybrid Jerry Buss reference because hes just a butt hurt Laker fan.

None of these articles Sam posted have any truth or fact to them. They are all just people with outlandish ideas for soap opera style plot lines for the NBA. He posted a link to the Bleacher Report for christs sake..... pay no attention to this thread people.

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Why would we let Chauncey go?

Chris Paul went out and PUBLICLY said we need Chauncey back

There's absolutely zero reason to keep Willie over Billups and you have absolutely no evidence that Hill will retire

Why would he sign for two years if he planned on quitting?

yes, he did. Cp3 wanted Billups back. But when do you draw the line and realize that the absence is hurting the team more than it's helping. Nash says hello.

I have no evidence of anything. An d neither do you. Remember, it was you saying we'd be 80 million in salary. That's a big assumption from you yet, you have a problem with my assumptions? Figures...

I actually have no problem with your assumptions but you seem to have problems with peoples assumptions on Vinny so I sort of flipped the script a little

The assumption I do have a problem with is you saying that Chauncey's presence will hurt the team

He hasn't even played a game yet how could you say that?

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Meh, I don't really see a difference between supporting Phil Jackson and supporting a guy like Matt Barnes.

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It amazes me that some people can pretend that we didn't deserve being made fun of for most of the teams existence

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Wait... I thought basketball players always mean the exact opposite of what they say and do... like when they publicly support a coach, but really they can't stand him and want him fired.

Maybe CP3 just didn't want the "Chauncey-killer" reputation haunting him for the rest of his career...?

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um, yeah - remember this?

pulling out the karma card, then wanting to coach here? id be surprised if DTS makes a move for him.

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clipper*joe wrote:
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Well here's a bit of fuel for the nay-sayers... I am not taking a side. I think Vinny is great. I know Phil is great. I know Sloan is great (and IMO would be the best coach for our team right now). But I don't see our recent losses as a total fault of the coaching staff. Scary as this may sound, there may be a bit of personality clashes and player drama in the locker room (just going off of few signs from watching the games, especially the one I got to see @ Staples Center. Anyways...:

http://nba.si.com/2012/11/26/phil-jacks ... -comeback/

Cp3 and BG, right?

Unfortunately, yes. DJ as well. Honestly, seems like theres a lot of negative energy - especially when we lose. I think EBled and Green are very good at staying positive... But when things go in unfavorable there are many kobe-esque actions by some of our superstars.

And this really worries me.

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im not at all well-informed on the triangle offense, but doesnt it take the ball out of the PGs hands and leaves the offense to big men and wings?

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Doesn't really take it away, he just doesn't have the ball in his hands to actually initiate anything!

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Precisely.

Joe has been saying this for a year.

1/3 of our cap on Chris Paul being Derek Fisher would destroy this team.

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clipper*joe wrote:
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I would take my odds with a better coach anyday!

I don't expect you to get it!

says the guy that claims to know for a fact that guys who never coached a game in their lives will make better coaches than VDN.

Yeah, I don't expect to get lunacy.

And this from a person who thinks Vinny is a better fit than Phil. The greatest coach of all time. Hmmmmm!

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Going on what I have heard I would have Sloan come in rather than Phil, Stockton Malone, No reason Griffin and Paul can't be that!

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jarca wrote:
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I am aware of the things that Phil has said about our franchise, but as Stephen A says, this team's talent is scary. The things Phil said really does bother me, but the pride that a championship would bring to me, is bigger than the one I would swallow of Phil Jackson was the coach for our team.

yeah, the highest payroll couldn't help Phil from being swept in his last season. That's the phil we'd probably get if I were a betting man.

I'll take that chance. Beside Phil's worst season which is getting swept by Dallas was vdn's best season.

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