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Post subject: TJ Ford?
 Posted: Jun 08, 2008 - 07:06 PM PST
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http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=8998
The story on this page about our team is a possible trade for TJ Ford by giving Toronto Corey Maggette. Although I'd prefer Calderon, nobody has really talked about Ford being an option. He is still very quick, which is something we've not had at the PG spot in a long time. Also he can score and although he isnt as good a distributor as Calderon, maybe between him and Knight, we can get some good passes to our 3 bigger players. Maybe drafting Eric Gordon would help this, but even Westbrook would be an ideal choice if this situation would occur.
I'm leaning towards saying yes on pulling the trigger for this deal. As many of you have said, we gotta do something to fix the outside game. Instead of waiting around and drafting a young guy to fill that void, we could pick up where we left off before Elton got hurt with a much better PG than Sam Cassell.
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Post subject: RE: TJ Ford?
Posted: Jun 08, 2008 - 09:05 PM PST
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I agree. We keep lacking on doing something big and I don't think Corey benefits us so much that without him we are screwed. So take a chance and just trade him already. I mean year after year his name appears on being traded but nothing happens and our team stays the same (except for the draft pick) We picked up Knight, Dickau, and Parker after every other team had what they wanted. Lets take some assertiveness and wait to see what other people do are wait till it's too late and someone else nabs what we wanted. Lets make something happen. As Jlemmen states, we could pick up Westbrook as well. He is stated as a combo guard. Though if we get Ford, drafting Gordon would be more likely as he has a better outside shot. So our starting line-up could look like:
Ford
Gordon
Thornton
Brand
Kaman
Not too shabby. Change isn't always bad and this line up looks like a contender...if it all pans out. |
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Post subject: RE: TJ Ford?
Posted: Jun 08, 2008 - 09:10 PM PST
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| Also as one of the other boards have stated that Brand might be possibly looking at Sixers, I'm afraid that if this team doesn't do something to make themselves more of a contender Brand might just have more incentive to walk. Just acquiring someone in the draft might not be enough to make the Clippers more flattering to Brand. He needs to see that we have the ability to make big moves to better the team. |
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Post subject: RE: TJ Ford?
Posted: Jun 08, 2008 - 11:30 PM PST
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| Yeah, Clipps04, I'm feeling that same kind of thing. If Brand signs an extension, things are alright in Clipperland...but if he doesnt opt out and stays 1 more year, he's gonna wanna see some results soon or he'll leave for a contender (unrestricted and unapologetic). If everyone is healthy and we fix our backcourt (by adding a proven player and a young potential star)...there will be no excuses for not making the playoffs. Elton Brand is Elton Brand...we know that. Chris Kaman has proven to have improved his game on a massive scale and SHOULD (being the key word) expand on his effectiveness with Brand beside him in the lineup. Thornton has developed into a good enough player after 1 season to be a starter. I'm not saying he's star quality yet, but he's close. Another year under his belt and he'll be ready to take over as the leader (should Brand leave). He may even become our leading scorer. Insert the backcourt combo listed above, mix in some veteran backups (Mobley, Knight, Thomas...Ross if we decide to keep him) and add another guy in the 2nd round of the draft...and we should be doing very well next year. I'm not saying championship, but playoffs are attainable. Remember the Mavs, Suns and even the Spurs are tailing off. Sure New Orleans, Houston, the Lakers and Utah are pretty much guarantees for the playoffs next year...The Nuggets and Warriors are not stable enough to be counted on and the Blazers may be ready for the next level (but they still have some work to do). The Clippers have work to do also, but they arent strangers to the philosophy. Dunleavy preaches it. I say, do the trade...draft the best guard available in the 1st round...Get a pure shooter or a big man in the 2nd round and kick ass next year. |
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Post subject: RE: TJ Ford?
Posted: Jun 09, 2008 - 02:01 AM PST
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| Lovin that enthusiasm Jlemmon. I completely agree.... however... am I alone on this? Maggette for TJ Ford? They can do sooo much better that. I dont think trading away Corey Maggette and getting back the oft-injured, undersized TJ Ford in return is going to convince Elton not to skip town. |
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Posted: Jun 09, 2008 - 02:17 AM PST
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"No rookies on the wood" Don Nelsom. "I want a ring" EB. If we can't promise a team that will make the PO's nxt yr, he's gone and I don't blame him. How many rooks have made a difference. LBJ. Mello did OK but remember Q owned him. Then there's??? Either we get good proven players or we rebuild around CK and Al. It's real binary. I agree with JL43 about nxt yrs teams in the west but with a strong squad Houston and probably Utah are beatable. Thomas to Memphis for Miller. He is cheaper for them and he has a shorter contract and he'll be a good compliment to Brown (cruel). Corey, Sam, Parker, Dicau, Williams and Q are gone. (I love Q but Miller has offense). Add 3Mill for EB + extra for Miller and negotiate Shaun down 1 Mill. Arenas has baggage but SO DO WE. I like Calderon better than Ford ($). Did anyone say Artest for Corey. Maybe I need to take my meds.
Arenas or Calderon+ Knight
Artest (therapist required)+Cat
Thornton+miller (Q?)
Brand, Chris and a host of big men.
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Post subject: RE: TJ Ford?
Posted: Jun 09, 2008 - 02:44 AM PST
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to me the most realistic productive offseason would be to trade corey maggette (s&t) and tim thomas to the raptors for tj ford, andrea bargnani, and their 08 and 09 1st round picks....first off i think bargnani has the potential to be a good/solid pf in this league that can help spread the floor and give good productive minutes as a backup to EB/kaman....secondly tj ford has the ability to break down defenses and get to the rack as well as being able to get kaman and eb the ball in their spots....he doesnt need to fly through the air and take hard fouls when hes got a frontline of kaman,EB, and thornton to finish plays for him(they're all respectable from the line as well)....then we draft eric gordon at 7 and maybe robin lopez or deandre jordan if he slips that far at 17....eric gordon is looking to be a pretty solid prospect that could take over the 2 spot from cat with his quickness and athletic body, not to mention his long range shooting abilities....resign shaun and have him come back as a reserve to give him less presure and an easier transition back.....a couple good free agent pickups and were right back in the playoff discussions next year!....
thats just my thoughts....possible lineup:
Ford/Livingston/Knight
Gordon/Mobley
Thornton/Ross
Brand/Bargnani/Powell
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Post subject: RE: TJ Ford?
Posted: Jun 09, 2008 - 05:49 AM PST
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I don't agree with trading for TJ. The Raptors made a mistake offering him a millionaire contract when they already had Calderon...We would be solving his mistake and getting a prone injury player like Livingston...I don't wanna imagine how many games we would have both PG injured. . Furthermore TJ is an erratic PG who too often takes bad decisions.
I think we should get something better for Gette...If he accepts the sign and trade, of course. |
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Post subject: RE: TJ Ford?
Posted: Jun 09, 2008 - 01:11 PM PST
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This trade sounds intruiging. TJ Ford is the sort of attacking, quick, penetrating PG we need. Though I think the Clippers won't be getting equal value back with a straight-up trade for Maggette. Maybe if they included their first round pick or somebody like Kapono....
Miquel does have a point there also with us needing a durable point guard.... |
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Posted: Jun 09, 2008 - 02:25 PM PST
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| More durable and BIGGER! Didn't we get victimized all last year by the Deron Williams types who pounded our little points? TJ is a blur, but he's a post-up opportunitly waiting to happen. Still, if EB is healthy he does make up for a ton of that kind of thing with his shot blocking. Kaman, EB and Al would make one of the better shot blocking front lines in the league in fact, but it sure would be nice to have a bigger, stronger point guard running things. Uh... how big did Westbrook measure out at? |
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Posted: Jun 09, 2008 - 03:08 PM PST
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dwb wrote:
More durable and BIGGER! Didn't we get victimized all last year by the Deron Williams types who pounded our little points? TJ is a blur, but he's a post-up opportunitly waiting to happen. Still, if EB is healthy he does make up for a ton of that kind of thing with his shot blocking. Kaman, EB and Al would make one of the better shot blocking front lines in the league in fact, but it sure would be nice to have a bigger, stronger point guard running things. Uh... how big did Westbrook measure out at?
ok lets see.
Ford is measured at 6-0 165 lbs.
Westbrook is measured at 6-2 but is 6-3 1/2 wearing shoes. So thats makes him pretty tall. Rose was measured at 6-1 1/2
I'm liking either taking Ford and drafting Gordon or drafting Westbrook and finding a solid shooter. I guess i'd like to go with Westbrook and find a shooter. |
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Posted: Jun 09, 2008 - 04:00 PM PST
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clipps04 wrote:
dwb wrote:
More durable and BIGGER! Didn't we get victimized all last year by the Deron Williams types who pounded our little points? TJ is a blur, but he's a post-up opportunitly waiting to happen. Still, if EB is healthy he does make up for a ton of that kind of thing with his shot blocking. Kaman, EB and Al would make one of the better shot blocking front lines in the league in fact, but it sure would be nice to have a bigger, stronger point guard running things. Uh... how big did Westbrook measure out at?
ok lets see.
Ford is measured at 6-0 165 lbs.
Westbrook is measured at 6-2 but is 6-3 1/2 wearing shoes. So thats makes him pretty tall. Rose was measured at 6-1 1/2
I'm liking either taking Ford and drafting Gordon or drafting Westbrook and finding a solid shooter. I guess i'd like to go with Westbrook and find a shooter.
yes! i like that idea!! i like TJ. HIs injuries have been a result of hard fouls and not just being weak. |
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Posted: Jun 09, 2008 - 04:01 PM PST
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Yeah, I think Ford has gotten unlucky with his injuries, but you have to take a very good look at his durability. That may be a useful bargaining chip towards getting a guy like Kapono in a deal too. If we could get Ford & Kapono, and then draft Westbrook...even if Ford goes down, Westbrook would at least have some experience and we wouldnt be totally lost at PG. If we draft Eric Gordon and Ford goes down, we're stuck with Knight and probably some other lower-tier PG to fill the voids.
I feel TJ Ford will suffice until a guy like Westbrook is able to start. The way Toronto feels about Calderon, there's no way we're gonna be able to sign-and-trade Maggette for him (straight up). Calderon's value is way high right now. It would take a lot to convince the Raptors to part with him instead of Ford. We may have to take what we can get. I just hope Dunleavy does something wise. |
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Posted: Jun 09, 2008 - 04:58 PM PST
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jlemmen43 wrote:
Yeah, I think Ford has gotten unlucky with his injuries, but you have to take a very good look at his durability. That may be a useful bargaining chip towards getting a guy like Kapono in a deal too. If we could get Ford & Kapono, and then draft Westbrook...even if Ford goes down, Westbrook would at least have some experience and we wouldnt be totally lost at PG. If we draft Eric Gordon and Ford goes down, we're stuck with Knight and probably some other lower-tier PG to fill the voids.
I feel TJ Ford will suffice until a guy like Westbrook is able to start. The way Toronto feels about Calderon, there's no way we're gonna be able to sign-and-trade Maggette for him (straight up). Calderon's value is way high right now. It would take a lot to convince the Raptors to part with him instead of Ford. We may have to take what we can get. I just hope Dunleavy does something wise.
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Posted: Jun 09, 2008 - 05:43 PM PST
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| Hmmm... snagging TJ (or TJ plus Kapono) AND drafting Westbrook? That's kind of putting all of our eggs into the "fill the need at point" basket without addressing our lack at two... but having TJ and Westbrook would be great for the team and solidify the positon for years. I definitely like that! For sure TJ is NOT weak, no one in the league is weak, but he has been unlucky, painfully unlucky in fact, so now there are real questions about his durability. Having Westbrook would be more than just good insurance, it'd be awesome insurance. So, how about if instead of Kapono, we angled for Parker or Delfino in the deal? I know they're not the three point threat that JK is, but they are both twos, and both with decent numbers. Neither might be the long term answer, but either would certainly help fill that position for us short term. Either would come a little cheaper than Kapono also, making the deal a little sweeter for Toronto, and thus possibly more likely. I'd love to have Calderon but jl43 is right, Toronto is pretty happy with him right now so they'll most likely look to deal TJ. |
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Posted: Jun 09, 2008 - 06:51 PM PST
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tj has a injury clause in his contract so basically we're insured if we pick him up and he gets hurt....not to mention our team is versatile enough to make up for the lack of size at 1 position....guys like earl boykins have made careers in this league with A LOT less than tj ford....if shaun comes back as well then we can't get completely runover at point!...there are only 5 or 6 guys in the league who get more assist per 48 minutes than tj ford including the likes of chris paul, deron williams, steve nash, and jason kidd....how do you think we can get more at point by going elsewhere?...
we're not getting hinrich- the bulls dont want coreys new contract when they're focusing on resigning deng
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Posted: Jun 09, 2008 - 11:37 PM PST
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| Of all the trade scenarios we've put on here and the one's have been rumored around the internet...this trade makes the most sense as far as teams wanting what the other needs. Raptors want Maggette, Clippers want a PG. Raptors have 2 star-quality PGs. Clippers have 2 star-quality SFs. It makes most sense to deal with them, if we're gonna be trading Maggette. |
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