Clippers Vs. Raptors 12-09-12 Official Game Thread (P. 2)

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Icecoldclipper
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Everyone is looking flat

renshaibob
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Wow so stupid, copy some of Denver Nugets plays, they know how to attack a zone. With our bigs its easy because 1 will always be free on the base line for a quick ally oop.

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I've seen enough of Vinny's ****. Love how he arrogantly puts the players on blast after the win yesterday and then comes out today and demonstrates his complete inability to adjust or scheme against a zone.

Hey Vinny, stop blaming the players for everything and take a look in the mirror.

clippermitch
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Blame the starters. The bench extended that lead.

CP3Best
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This reminds me somewhat of some other games: NOH, CLE, games, which we lost, cause our coach sat on his *** an didn't do anything, now in situations like THIS is when we need our coach, so why is he just sitting there???

clippermitch
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Blame VDN for taking Bledsoe out. Crawford is off and Bledsoe is playing well.

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Vinny should have subbed out Paul for Bledsoe. Now we're down at the half smh.

Clippersfan86
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Yea... Bledsoe+Griffin were playing very well for the most part yet neither got anywhere near enough minutes. Also why put DJ and Butler back in so quickly when both were playing like trash and Green played pretty solid early on??

CP3Best
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AS well as he's motivated our players I want Vinny GONE after this season.

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Because he has no idea what he's doing.

Our success is literally ALL on the players. If they're not doing well, there's no direction and no system to get them back on track and settled down.

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Because DJ and Butler are "starters" and Vinny doesn't wanna hurt their feelings.

Icecoldclipper
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Jordan, Butler, Paul, Crawford looking slow this game

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82-0 wrote:
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This reminds me somewhat of some other games: NOH, CLE, games, which we lost, cause our coach sat on his *** an didn't do anything, now in situations like THIS is when we need our coach, so why is he just sitting there???

Because he has no idea what he's doing.

Our success is literally ALL on the players. If they're not doing well, there's no direction and no system to get them back on track and settled down.

SO why hasn't the FO done something to pry one of the good coaches like the Jeff VG, SVG, or all the other ones.

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Yea... Bledsoe+Griffin were playing very well for the most part yet neither got anywhere near enough minutes. Also why put DJ and Butler back in so quickly when both were playing like trash and Green played pretty solid early on??

Because DJ and Butler are "starters" and Vinny doesn't wanna hurt their feelings.

Yeah, that's another thing... Vinny is so fake. He'll call out our starters for lack of effort after wins only, and god forbid the starters suck, because Vinny's really too scared to bench any of them.

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Because he fluked his way to beating the Grizzlies in the playoffs (again, it was ALL on the players), and suddenly that makes him "the greatest coach in Clipper history," which is why he's still sitting on his ass this year.

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This is why we need a more logical coach if we expect to go all the way. Vinny The Black has way too many Dumbleavy moments. roll

CP3Best
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Just to show how STUPID our "coach" is we're scoring only 44 pts in the 1st half when other teams without as much firepower as we have torched them all day long. This is unbelievable.

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pretty laughable at some of the comments here.

First of all, BG played over 17 minutes in the first half. That's all but 7 minutes of a whole half. BG needs his rest so lets not pretend BG's chances of doing what he did would not have been hampered if he played a full half without rest. Second of all, this "scheming" bullshit talk like you're coach on a pro level is laughable. Crawford is shooting like ****, and BG getting caught in the paint with nowhere to go or pass is on the player, not coach. DJ playing like crap and trying to rebound behind a guy is as productive as the load I dropped and flushed this morning. The shooting is bad, the stupid fouls are bad (i.e. Butler), and players playing like they just entered the league (i.e. DJ) is why we're down right now.

With that said, you guys act like this game is lost already. lol

I swear, you just have to laugh. Th

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Ugh. I'm forced to watch the Toronto call of the game. Not fun. We'd better put those announcers in a bad mood in the second half.

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At least Dumbleavy had a yellow book full of plays. roll

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CP3Best wrote:
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Yea... Bledsoe+Griffin were playing very well for the most part yet neither got anywhere near enough minutes. Also why put DJ and Butler back in so quickly when both were playing like trash and Green played pretty solid early on??

Because DJ and Butler are "starters" and Vinny doesn't wanna hurt their feelings.

Even when CP3 or Blake play like trash with no heart they should be benched. Like you said he seems to kiss our starters asses and base rotations on reputation and experience rather than how players are actually playing. CP3 could have 12 bad plays in a row but not get pulled but Bledsoe has 1 or 2 in a row and gets benched. I don't like the double standards.

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Joe the reason that ultimately falls on coach at the end of the day is because he has the power to pull guys like Crawford, Butler and DJ who are playing like ass. Why keep playing them??? They aren't going to bench themselves, so while it sucks they are playing bad we have capable guys ready to step up.... so bench them.

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That doesn't make make any sense. So if the guys ain't playing well, and VDN isn't going to be able to do anything based on that, how is it that VDN is the stupid one?

lol

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Blake Griffin

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Why does Griffin just end up with the ball in the post every single time? Teams will adjust to that EASILY, Crawford is forced to create for himself, and the only play I saw was an ISO, and a Pick 'n Roll. It is the coach's duty to make adjustments which did not exist in the 2nd qtr.

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clipper*joe wrote:
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Vinny is just stupid. If our guys aren't playing well he is not gonna be able to do anything. I want to see some... Something, ANYTHING.

That doesn't make make any sense. So if the guys ain't playing well, and VDN isn't going to be able to do anything based on that, how is it that VDN is the stupid one?

lol

The players are forced to shoot CONTESTED shots. cause the plays do not exist, to get the players OPEN shots.

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Of course, and when we win today, I expect you to say:

"that win ultimately falls on coach at the end of the day"

...But you won't.

CP3Best
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If we win cause he makes some nice adjustments and motivates the guys to play better defense i will say, "that win ultimately falls on coach at the end of the day"

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Nice D adjustments Vinny. Motivating the guys too.

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CP3Best wrote:
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This is why we need a more logical coach if we expect to go all the way. Vinny The Black has way too many Dumbleavy moments. roll

At least Dumbleavy had a yellow book full of plays. roll

Supposedly Vinny has the same. lol

clipper*joe
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OMG! it took us a minute to take the lead! Fire the stupid coach!

Heediot
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good start for the 2nd half.

CP3Best
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I still don't see and adjustments on Offense, if defense keeps playing like this though... we'll be fine

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clipper*joe wrote:
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Joe the reason that ultimately falls on coach at the end of the day is because he has the power to pull guys like Crawford, Butler and DJ who are playing like ass. Why keep playing them??? They aren't going to bench themselves, so while it sucks they are playing bad we have capable guys ready to step up.... so bench them.

Of course, and when we win today, I expect you to say:

"that win ultimately falls on coach at the end of the day"

...But you won't.

Not true. I always praise Vinny when he does good things because they usually go hand in hand with wins. I think this is his worst rotation game in weeks. I was shocked Griffin was on the bench 7 or 8 minutes straight. That Butler and DJ were brought back early 2nd quarter after playing so bad. Or that Green wasn't in for Crawford while Crawford was bricking and airballing every shot.

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Wow, so that was all motivation by the coach that made the guys play well?

Is everyone this wishy washy? I'm here to tell you every play you see is not controlled by the coach.

CP3Best
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I want Hollins in the game. DJ sucks.

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Less than 7 minutes and he started and ended the half like most stars do. Again, just because people think they think a specific player should be taken out for another specific player doesn't make it the holy grail to winning the game. We've won handsomely with the rotations so far, not sure what the deal is.

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By the way, where are the coaches that wanted Butler out? Huh? Huh? Anyone? Thought so.

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Have we made a single 3 today?

clippermitch
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Butler and Barnes has to play better D. They always let their man wide open on 3s.

Clippersfan86
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WTF is up with all these wide open 3's. DJ, Butler and CP3 need to be benched immediately

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Can we defend the 3 ball yet?

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Paul making some questionable decisions this game Is Lowry that good on D?

CP3Best
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This sucks, Paul shouldn't take stupid risks like that.

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Why is there "WOOOOO!" after each CP3 basket? Is it because he is from North Carolina like Ric Flair is (well, he was billed from NC)?

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You coaches see how we lost the lead? Cp3 makes a foolish cross court pass when he had 2 better options in front of him? Was that a designed play? I dare you to respond, 82-0! I dare you. That Bargs three was a stepback where BG slacked off. Was that a defensive scheme, 82-0?

You guys are full of ****! That's why you're armchair coaching in the leisure of home and not out on the bench "scheming".

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They been doing that for him since New Orleans. Ric Flair for sure.

Clippersfan86
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The new Clippers curse... where lottery teams bang down 15-20 threes on like 60+ percent regularly vs us.

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You see that DeRozen three? That defense was great on that possession but any of you coaches think that was a failed scheme? roll

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It looks like the bench has to bail out the starters today again.

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