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Should VDN get an extension?
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At the end of the season
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No, can him NOW!
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CapsNClips
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Is it too early to give Vinny an extension? Probably. Is it too early to "Fire Vinny"? Hell Yes.

We have a win % of 0.714 and aren't slowing down anytime soon. We have beatin the Miami Heat, San Antonio Spurs twice, Memphis Grizzlies, Los Angeles Lakers (not that much of an accomplishment), and the Chicago Bulls Etc..

I say why not?

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NOOOOO!!!! He's killing our team....

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no. its way too early. we should wait to see how he does when it really counts.

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He'll be judged at season's end. WCF or better and my guess is he stays... along with CP3.

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Too early. Clippers actually need to win it all if they want to keep Del Negro. Remember, Chris Paul is also on the line.

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No one gives a coach an extension until the end of the season its completely pointless and a dumb thing to do unless the coach is Popovich.

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It is way too early to be talking about an extension with Vinny. We still have a long way to go. But, I gotta give credit where credit is due. Vinny is coaching this team at a high level right now and we're playing as a "team." That credit goes to the coaching staff. I just wish that Vinny would stop playing Willie so many minutes and give the majority of his minutes to E-Bled. I understand Chauncey is hurt, but Willie is not a starter in this league and should not see more than 5 minutes if his shot is not falling.

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Wait until the end of the season before we giving VDN a new contract or extension to his existing contract. With the roster he has put together, Vinnie might be better off being a general manager type because he shows real promise in identifying talent and making deals (e.g.-Jamaal Crawford, Matt Barnes, Lamar Odom, Willie Green, etc.).

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The FO will wait until CP3 signs that extension in the offseason.

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No other team will sign Vinny as a free agent head coach so no point in rushing.

CP3Best
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This here is his goal and will dictate wether or not he's resigned: Western Conference Finals or BUST!

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I love this post whether you agree on vinny or not we should wait on an etension decision

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Fire VDN... Make the fire VDN thread go away.. Than right after you fire him, sign him for 3 more years....... Makes everybody happy...

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Silly Post, overreaction.

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I think that's the point.

It's no more silly than firing the coach who's matching/breaking franchise records left and right, and we have a thread about that.

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Since I actually can predict the future,,Vinny WILL get an extension as CP3 tells DTS in June, after we go to the WCFs, that he wants to sign for 5 but he wants Vinny as his coach. In order to keep the fans and CP3, DTS does just that. So now we can put this to rest,,it's a done deal.

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Nice thread Caps. The fact that so many people came over and posted serious objections show there's no denying the respect we're taking.

Of course this thread is tongue in cheek..But the truth is this suggestion is a helluva lot more valid than the "fire vinny" lunacy.

8 and counting...

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There should be a fourth one on the poll question.

Wait till end of season and let clipper management make the decision.

There are much better coaches out there,

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^That's what I was thinking, if there is a guy like say...PJax who wants to make a return, and if the players want him, AND he has a good track record than swing a deal, but if nothing like that appears, Vinny will be resigned.

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the only difference between this year and last year is our bench. the only difference between last year and the year before is a guy named chris paul.

vinny is vinny.

dont get me wrong, he's doing a fine job managing playing time amongst tons of talent on the roster.

he's no savior, but he's doing a fine job.

CP3Best
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I wanna know why DJ OR Hollins didn't replace Odom in the 4th? He was injured, gotta substitute. I get you want him back in shape, but he's missing layups cause of his injury, take him out.

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Odom played far better than DJ was playing this game.

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We have enough talent to win at this level in spite of ANY head coach in the NBA. Flip this around and imagine how good we would be with an elite NBA coach?????

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There aren't any "elite" coaches available, so it's a moot point.

CP3Best
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Are there any at the end of THIS season?

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Not unless POP gets fired. wink

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Phil Jackson, Sloan, McMillan, SVG are all MASSIVE upgrades that are available. Sure for different reasons they may not be ideal but clear upgrades nonetheless.

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The only "elite" coaches out of that group, Jackson and Sloan, chances of them coming is slim and none.

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Please stop. Ask the Lakers how they feel about what you just said. It's easy to throw out stuff like and act as if it's a fact. You have no idea what would happen with another coach....NONE...NADA!

Look at Jackson in GS and tell me he's a elite coach. He's the best thing to happen to GS and he doesn't have any accolades. An Elite coach becomes elite by accumulating accolades. VDN is doing that. In case you haven't noticed, VDN has been to the post season more times than not....STOP!

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Chances doesn't matter. They should still be pursued at all costs. SVG and McMillan aren't elite but are big upgrades.

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Vinny is good enough to not get fired and I have praised his strides. He still costs us games here and there with rotations.

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Mcmillan? Please tell me how he's an upgrade over VDN? lol lol lol

McMillan has missed the post season more than he has made it. he's lost in the first round all but one time. Dude, explain to me how he's better than VDN?

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he's cost us games? Which ones? How do you evaluate who won and who lost each game? Which rotations were causes for us losing? Which specific games? And who would you have rotated to INSURE us those wins in those specific games?

I'm enjoying this run so much right now and it's very sad to see members here actually calling into question this run, season, and success we're having. I haven't met a member here who has coached on a pro level to make this outlandish accusations. That's the sad part. Despite the success, people think they can do better orchestrating a game.

By the way, who freaking just gets by not being fired when they're leading the division and on a 8 game winning streak? That's crazy talk.

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clipper*joe wrote:
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Chances doesn't matter. They should still be pursued at all costs. SVG and McMillan aren't elite but are big upgrades.

Mcmillan? Please tell me how he's an upgrade over VDN? lol lol lol

McMillan has missed the post season more than he has made it. he's lost in the first round all but one time. Dude, explain to me how he's better than VDN?

Mcmillan is terrible and a well known PG killer at that. Would not touch with a 10 foot pole.

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We will never get Jackson. So, you have to ask how many rings have SVG, Sloan and McMillan have? The answer is 0, the same amount Vinny has. Sloan had from 1982-2011 to win one, and he didn't. McMillan has been coaching for around 10 years and he has nothing, and SVG doesn't have one either. The only proven coaches that would be available to us next year would be Phil Jackson and again, he will never be our coach. VDN is doing a great job, he is the best fit for our team, and I personally believe he will sign long term with CP3 this summer.

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Last time we gave an extension to a coach in the middle of the season cough dunleavy cough the team quickly spiraled our of control

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clipper*joe wrote:
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Vinny is good enough to not get fired and I have praised his strides. He still costs us games here and there with rotations.

he's cost us games? Which ones? How do you evaluate who won and who lost each game? Which rotations were causes for us losing? Which specific games? And who would you have rotated to INSURE us those wins in those specific games?

I'm enjoying this run so much right now and it's very sad to see members here actually calling into question this run, season, and success we're having. I haven't met a member here who has coached on a pro level to make this outlandish accusations. That's the sad part. Despite the success, people think they can do better orchestrating a game.

By the way, who freaking just gets by not being fired when they're leading the division and on a 8 game winning streak? That's crazy talk.

Repped.

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cleepers wrote:
clipper*joe wrote:
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Vinny is good enough to not get fired and I have praised his strides. He still costs us games here and there with rotations.

he's cost us games? Which ones? How do you evaluate who won and who lost each game? Which rotations were causes for us losing? Which specific games? And who would you have rotated to INSURE us those wins in those specific games?

I'm enjoying this run so much right now and it's very sad to see members here actually calling into question this run, season, and success we're having. I haven't met a member here who has coached on a pro level to make this outlandish accusations. That's the sad part. Despite the success, people think they can do better orchestrating a game.

By the way, who freaking just gets by not being fired when they're leading the division and on a 8 game winning streak? That's crazy talk.

Repped.

Dang you beat me to it, so I am going to rep you for repping him lol

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P.S. THIS IS NOT A "FIRE VINNY" THREAD!!!

We have one of those already.

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stop with the phil jackson to the clips bs. he doesnt have the drive to coach anymore. i agree on waiting it out in giving vdn an extension, but giving him an extension will mean that the clippers made it quite far. so lets hope that happens.

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Catching up this morning and wow,,how shocked I am some people changed the tongue in cheek Extension thread to another fire thread.

Oh me oh my

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VDN has improved but arguably the squad is so deep that it's definitely working more for VDN than against. Out of the six losses I personally think VDN could have done better adjustments to get the win especially against Warriors, Cavaliers, and Hornets. VDN will be tested heavily in the playoffs... VDN will either shine or bust and with this deep squad having such great chemistry and all the Clippers can at the very least be in the Western Conference Finals but if VDN steps up to the plate the Clippers can get a ring.

Still a long season to be even talking about extension or VDN getting fired but it safe to say that VDN has shown improvement and we want to see VDN improve some more.

The real question should be... If VDN does not perform at a championship caliber level will Donald Sterling spend some money to bring a Jerry Sloan or my personal choice Nate McMillan?

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The_Blake_Show wrote:

The real question should be... If VDN does not perform at a championship caliber level will Donald Sterling spend some money to bring a Jerry Sloan or my personal choice Nate McMillan?

The Bobcats didn't spend money on Sloan. And Sloan has had all the time in the world to win a championship with stacked talent and has yet to win one. Not sure how getting an old school militant coach will take us over the top when he has never been at the peak of the mountain himself. VDN has been to the playoffs in all but one season in his career. Nate can't touch that.

Nate is not better than VDN. Sloan has had all the opportunities in the world to win it all and hasn't. He had his chance and failed. Sloan has had decades to win one and failed. No one can argue that he has had decades to win one. If he couldn't win one in decades, what makes anyone think he'll win one now?

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VDN has improved but arguably the squad is so deep that it's definitely working more for VDN than against.

Arguably, every winning coach ( Rivers, Phil, Pops, Spoelstra) were improved by the deep and best talent. One could argue that the players they inherited, benefited the coaches more than they did the players.

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We all know vinny is not the greatest coach. He still has rotation issues, but he has improved from last year. Its not just the players but the way the guys play defense and the ball is moved around a lot more then last year. Vinnys measuring stick will be the playoffs. In a 7 game series the coaches adjustment really come to play in how a series will turn out. That is where we measure if vinny is the right coach for this team. He has the talent so there is no excuse playoff time.

The clippers should wait till the end of the year to make their decision.

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clipper*joe wrote:
The_Blake_Show wrote:

The real question should be... If VDN does not perform at a championship caliber level will Donald Sterling spend some money to bring a Jerry Sloan or my personal choice Nate McMillan?

The Bobcats didn't spend money on Sloan. And Sloan has had all the time in the world to win a championship with stacked talent and has yet to win one. Not sure how getting an old school militant coach will take us over the top when he has never been at the peak of the mountain himself. VDN has been to the playoffs in all but one season in his career. Nate can't touch that.

Nate is not better than VDN. Sloan has had all the opportunities in the world to win it all and hasn't. He had his chance and failed. Sloan has had decades to win one and failed. No one can argue that he has had decades to win one. If he couldn't win one in decades, what makes anyone think he'll win one now?

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VDN has improved but arguably the squad is so deep that it's definitely working more for VDN than against.

Arguably, every winning coach ( Rivers, Phil, Pops, Spoelstra) were improved by the deep and best talent. One could argue that the players they inherited, benefited the coaches more than they did the players.

Joe I know you like the clippers and support VDN. But be a little realistic Sloan would have won a championship if it weren't for this Jordan guy. Most likely he would have one 2 rings if the Jazz did not have to play the Bulls.

Its like saying Barkley, Ewing, Reggie Miller, Gary Peyton, Stockton, and Malone are not good players cause they dont have rings. Some times **** doesn't go your way.

As far as McMillian his team was just gutted with injuries and they still made the playoffs some years. McMillian was a Olympic coach specifically brought in because he is such a good coach.

To try and say VDN is remotely on the level of sloan is crazy. I guess I can see you McMillian argument even though I would take Nate over VDN in a heartbeat.

VDN has a lot of promise. He can be a good coach and is making strides to be a better coach.

I think some people on here see how much talent we have and have championship aspirations and are just a little worried VDN might end up holding us back.

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I don't like the way the poll is presented, just because we say no that doesn't necessarily mean that we want him canned now. I really feel that he should be moved up in the organization. I think Vinny was the perfect coach for the team we had when we hired him, but this team, not so much. He is basically Mike Brown 1.5 IMO. He is growing as a coach, but some of his growing pains will cost us.

I will give him credit for getting better at certain things. The things I feel he needs to focus on is to stop trying to space the floor with shooters, because most of our shooters are streaky...focus more on player movement and backscreens to create mismatches inside, then inside out passing for the shot or a driving lane.

Oh...and find some minutes for Bled and CP3 together. We already know the stats last season bear out that this is optimal. Stagger the minuites.

The same goes for Barnes, and Butler.

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As much I'm cheering for VDN. But no, no extension right now. Must wait til the season ends to see where we're at.

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Sloan had to go against MJ and he never prevailed. Even with two all-world players on his team damn near the entire time.

We have to go against Lebron/Wade, not to mention 3-4 ridiculously good teams in our own conference.

If your goal is to get to the finals and lose, Sloan is good guy to hire.

He's so old, opposite of players coach, and he presided over an above average team that was never great over the course of decades. The guy will be in the HOF but his regualr season success in the 90's doesn't mean he's going to be able to do anything now with this team.

He had an elite PG up until he got ran out of town and everyone from here to Brooklyn knows how that turned out.

McMillian isn't even worth a mention. Failure in Portland. Still sitting at home today because nobody wants him coaching their team. How anyone can talk about McMillian as a clear upgrade is beyond me. He's done nothing.

SVG...I think he's a very smart, good coach. But players don't like him.

I think we are seeing today the affect of having a true player's coach, especially a guy who played the game and had a very solid long term career.

I'm no more tuned in to an NBA locker room than any of you, but I believe 100% that it makes a huge difference in the level of respect your players give you, if you can say you actually did it, you actually went through everything they went through.

I think a play call or criticism or whatever it is, is more likely to be respected by a player if the guy telling him is former player like Vinny, rather than a short fat mustached, screeching lunatic like SVG.

I'm glad we got Vinny, we could be a lot worse off. And as far as everything that's out there, the players love playing for him.

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GhostShip,

You say Jerry Sloan would have won a Championship if it wasn't for Michael Jordan. Well, guess who else would have won if it wasn't for Michael Jordan? Mike Dunleavy

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GhostShip wrote:

Joe I know you like the clippers and support VDN. But be a little realistic Sloan would have won a championship if it weren't for this Jordan guy. Most likely he would have one 2 rings if the Jazz did not have to play the Bulls.

Its like saying Barkley, Ewing, Reggie Miller, Gary Peyton, Stockton, and Malone are not good players cause they dont have rings. Some times **** doesn't go your way.

You realize how absurd that sounds? Are you telling me a player was

As far as McMillian his team was just gutted with injuries and they still made the playoffs some years. McMillian was a Olympic coach specifically brought in because he is such a good coach.

You realize how crazy you sound? A player stopped a coach from getting a ring? Guess what? Every coach and team get stopped from winning rings when they face better opposition. Every team in the finals that lost was due to some circumstance. That's not an excuse.

Jordan could have won more rings if it wasn't for the Pistons stopping Jordan early in his career.

The woulda coulda card doesn't work here. Sloan had just as good a tandem as The Bulls had.

as far as Mcmillan, he had plenty more years than VDN and he has accomplished more than Nate. END OF STORY! Anything else is making excuses. Injuries? So what. McMillan had damn good team despite having injuries. All I hear from you is weak excuses.

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To try and say VDN is remotely on the level of sloan is crazy. I guess I can see you McMillian argument even though I would take Nate over VDN in a heartbeat.

Thinking I said VDN is remotely better than Sloan is absurd. I never remotely said any such thing, that's just you imagining stuff to make an argument. What I will say is that VDN is on mark to become just as successful as Sloan if given the chance. 4 out of 5 years ( we're in this season) in the playoffs is a mighty accomplishment. Nate can't say that.

And before you make more excuses about VDN having a lot of talent, so did Sloan so watch how you answer.

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