ESPN Insider: Is Dwight Howard Temporary In L.A.?

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If we got Dwight Howard because of Chris Paul, what do we do?
Keep DeAndre Jordan, sign Howard
7%
 7%  [1]
Keep DeAndre Jordan, forget Howard
69%
 69%  [9]
Trade DeAndre Jordan for Howard
23%
 23%  [3]
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no1wammy
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http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/ ... os-angeles

Currently, the Lakers are at 9-13. Should the Lakers experience a second losing record, it's possible that Dwight Howard could leave the Lakers to consider other options and opportunities. In this Insider article, the Clippers are mentioned.

Now, we have DeAndre Jordan, who is developing and getting better day by day. The story goes that Chris Paul and Dwight Howard wanted to hook up and form their own super team somewhere in Atlanta, Dallas or New York. The Clipper's 16-6 start and first 8th winning streak in Los Angeles disproves Paul leaving at the moment. But what happens to Dwight: form a Clippers super team or forget him completely?

Check out the poll above. If we had both DeAndre Jordan and Dwight Howard, would Jordan be okay as a backup center? Can the Clippers use the Howard chip for better pieces, meaning Jordan still stays? The Laker's misery has given the Clippers leverage which they've never had before.

FightOnRon
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I think our money situation will dictate a choice,,,it's CP3 or the choice of Howard. My choice is CP3. Too much money already on DJ and Blake.

A lot of guys here are on the money thingy,,so to you guys, how much are we already over the luxury tax? DTS is rich and is spending,,but I don't think he is like the Buss family that spends twice as much for a player then they need by having to basically paying the salary and the luxury tax.

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How in the world do you keep a 10 million dollar backup with a 20 + million dollar brokeback, overrated center? How in the world can we get Howard in free agency when CP3 and BG are getting max contracts?

How in the world can we get Howard in a sign and trade when the Lakers will not be allowed to sign and trade players next season when the luxury tax rules go in place?

CP3 wanted to play with Howard a long time ago but since Howard was so wishy washy with paul, Paul dropped that idea real quick...Just like Deron did when Coward did they same to him.

Anyway, your poll is moot. You didn't think this through...

Worldbthree
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I don't think D12 would work for Clips as tempting as the notion is. I believe the Lakers lack of success is partially due to the fact that D12 needs to be the focal point of the team, which will never be the case as long as Kobe is there. With the Clippers it would be much greater as the team relies heavily on chemistry and guys knowing their roles. Signing D12 (judging by his track record alone, don't know him personally) could potentially make the Clips take a step back and much of the bench for the future would have to go as they would be able to afford anyone but scrubs (see: Lakers). The Clips can contend for the next decade with Jordan as long as his buy in to continue to improve continues, if he can become 75% of what Ibaka is they are more than fine.

tense2
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Funny thread....funnier poll.

hoopfanjd31
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I wouldn't want Dwight under basically any circumstances. He's a chump and overrated as a player. Maybe if he signed for the vet's minimum - and even then I'd have to think about it.

clippertime
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The clippers success is mostly due to balance between starters and bench, the exact balance the lakers don't have by putting all their eggs in one basket, they lose because their bench gets smoked everynight. Clipper GM's have done a stellar job, don't change a thing! Keep as many of the bench mob as possible.....a second rate center like Andre is fine because blake and everybody else has the ball....the Clippers have no problems, and don't need to trade for one.

tense2
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Forget Howard, give me Lebron in 2 years. 8)

seanrooks
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I don't think Howard coming here is a real possibility for many reasons. But the notion that people here wouldn't want him because he's overrated is beyond me. I can't stand him as a person, but there's little doubt that he's a top player. He's not back to his old self yet, but he's still one of the best(if not the best, when healthy) defensive players in the league. He's putting up 18 and 12 with 2.6 blocks. And if you're going to blame the Lakers' struggles on him, I think that's a bit ridiculous. We all know the Lakers' troubles have a lot more to do with a ton of other factors: injuries to Nash and Pau, coaching changes, chemistry issues, lack of depth...you put Howard on this team in DeAndre's place, with a great point guard and better pieces around him, you don't think this team would be better? Howard is basically a really good version of DeAndre Jordan. He would clearly make this team better.

Again, don't think he'll end up here anyway, and I'm kinda happy in a way just because I much prefer to root for DJ over Howard, even if he's not nearly as good.

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The reason why The Lakers suck ( got it right) is because they are old and can't compete with younger teams. hell, they can't compete with any teams. lol

Even the Lakers fans are now realizing the excuse of Nash coming back to fix things is pretty much laughable. I said that a team like the Lakers would suffer if they lost one starter...Check! I said Nash doesn't fit the system or makeup of that team...Check! So what do the Lakers do? Get a coach to build around a now brittle 39 year old.

I also said in the Summer that Howard was just as much of a product of the offense the Magic ran. Howard success came by having great shooters that could open Howard up for EASY offense. Now that he's on a team where ISO ball happens, most of his points are coming from the line, at under 50% a clip. His numbers are deceiving. He's getting his points like DJ is. But DJ has is actually creating shots on his own whereas, Howard depends on cuts, lobs, and the occasional PnR.

Howard greatest asset is his defense...They say. Howard just made the Lakers one of the worst defensive teams in the league. The excuse that Howard isn't 100% doesn't work any longer. He's been healthy for a while. The problem he has is the same problem he had in Orlando. When he doesn't get the ball, he doesn't put effort on defense.

The excuse that they don't have Nash and Pau is not a valid one. They sucked when they had everyone healthy. A team with Howard and Kobe should not have the record they have PERIOD! They are what they are, not a very good team despite the abundance of pedigree the team has. I said the would have trouble gelling based on the mix and match pieces they put together.

Everything I said in the Summer has been 100% spot on. Not just with what i said about the Lakers, but the Clippers. In short, Depth matters and you don't win on paper with old and slow, HOF talent.

LotsoHope
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As overpaid DJ is, he's still cheaper than a max contract to DH, and he's grown on me over the last couple years, so I say keep DJ and let DH go find greener pastures elsewhere. We need the money to re-sign CP3 anyway.

OptimusDimes
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IMO, the reason the lakers suck is because of the perimeter D. Dwight healthy or not, will struggle defensively because D12 is not an imposing defender like Bynum who can play D without leaving his feet.

People are saying what we have seen for years, Kobe is not the first rate defender he has been getting credit for being.

MWP still has fast hands and mouth, but he doesn't move his feet fast enough to be consider an elite defender anymore...after those two, it's pretty easy to figure out the rest of the roster.

D12 will be hung out to dry again and again on D, and add in the fact that on O he is limited especially outside of 8 feet and at the FT line, and you have a recipe for disaster.

The Lakers would be smart to trade D12 to the nets now while they have a chance to(?). Keep Pau, and build around players that mesh with Nash, Kobe, Mr. Pringles and Pau...

But we know Jimbo is not that smart...Oh and their bench sux.

clippertime
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  • He makes too much money to not be the first option, so there would be a grand effort to get him the ball.....he gets hacked, and then 50% ft time, he dramatically slows down the game.....this is blakes show, lets keep it that way.
OptimusDimes
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I don't know how many fans or analyst would agree with the notion of DJ being overpaid anymore He may still need work, but he has proven that he can, probably will get better.

CapsNClips
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I'd rather have Wade, and that is a total possibility.

clipper*joe
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Love Wade! Was one of my favorite players for a long time. With that said, I agree with Barkley. Wade is not the same player and he seems to be getting worse by the game. No thanks on Wade.

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clipper*joe wrote:
CapsNClips wrote:
I'd rather have Wade, and that is a total possibility.

Love Wade! Was one of my favorite players for a long time. With that said, I agree with Barkley. Wade is not the same player and he seems to be getting worse by the game. No thanks on Wade.

I'm not expecting Wade to be 2006 Wade, He is the ideal 3rd man on our 2014 roster and would only need to score 20 a game. I'm getting excited just thinking about it.

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We're right at the threshold but not paying tax this year.

In order to sign Howard to a max deal, we'd have to gut the team.

CP3: 18mil

Blake: 15mil

DJ: 11mil

That's 44mil right there. Already less than enough room than we'd need to sign DHoward for 18mil per year be under the cap. The only way it works is if both DJ and Caron are included in a S&T. Of course, the Lakers would never do an S&T with us so it's basically impossible.

DHoward would be nice but I'd be happy if we could just keep the current team together...Unfortunately it's not easy to do.

Lamar is overpaid at 8mil. All goes well and he plays well, maybe we can resign him for a discount. Doubt he goes below 5mil per but if so we save 3mil for next season.

But I think this saving could largely be counter balanced by Matt Barnes who now makes the minimum. He would probably want and deserve more money next season.

Call it a wash to resign Barnes and Lamar next year.

Blake gets a 7mil raise next season. This is our big problem. Same player but he costs 7mil extra.

Hollins, Turiaf, and Billups all expire this year. We have a team option on Willie. Grant Hill is liable to retire depending on how the season goes.

In order to avoid tax, 2-3 of the group that includes Lamar, Billups, GHill, and Willie would have to go away. If Billups decides to retire, that's a chunk of the needed cap space right there...But it's doubtful he'd go through what he did and then just retire the following season. He probably comes back...But maybe goes down to 2.5mil to help the team? Just a guess.

The other thing that falsely raises the value of our team vs. the payroll is Bledsoe on a rookie deal. Bled is worth upwards of 7mil per year on the open market and we're paying less than 2mil. We have one more season of Bledsoe on the cheap. Beyond that, summer of 2014, tough decisions must be made...And most likely it is Caron is not brought back and Bled is traded in an S&T for a starting SF who makes 8-10mil per year. Paul George anyone?

tense2
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^Don't think that amount for Blake includes the extra $ to the contract when he makes the All-Star team as a starter again and the "D.Rose stipulation" kicks in.

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We would have to gut the team to prevent ourselves from getting the luxury tax. DJ + elite bench>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Howard + garbage bench.

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TheDude wrote:
FightOnRon wrote:
I think our money situation will dictate a choice,,,it's CP3 or the choice of Howard. My choice is CP3. Too much money already on DJ and Blake.

A lot of guys here are on the money thingy,,so to you guys, how much are we already over the luxury tax? DTS is rich and is spending,,but I don't think he is like the Buss family that spends twice as much for a player then they need by having to basically paying the salary and the luxury tax.

We're right at the threshold but not paying tax this year.

In order to sign Howard to a max deal, we'd have to gut the team.

CP3: 18mil

Blake: 15mil

DJ: 11mil

That's 44mil right there. Already less than enough room than we'd need to sign DHoward for 18mil per year be under the cap. The only way it works is if both DJ and Caron are included in a S&T. Of course, the Lakers would never do an S&T with us so it's basically impossible.

DHoward would be nice but I'd be happy if we could just keep the current team together...Unfortunately it's not easy to do.

Lamar is overpaid at 8mil. All goes well and he plays well, maybe we can resign him for a discount. Doubt he goes below 5mil per but if so we save 3mil for next season.

But I think this saving could largely be counter balanced by Matt Barnes who now makes the minimum. He would probably want and deserve more money next season.

Call it a wash to resign Barnes and Lamar next year.

Blake gets a 7mil raise next season. This is our big problem. Same player but he costs 7mil extra.

Hollins, Turiaf, and Billups all expire this year. We have a team option on Willie. Grant Hill is liable to retire depending on how the season goes.

In order to avoid tax, 2-3 of the group that includes Lamar, Billups, GHill, and Willie would have to go away. If Billups decides to retire, that's a chunk of the needed cap space right there...But it's doubtful he'd go through what he did and then just retire the following season. He probably comes back...But maybe goes down to 2.5mil to help the team? Just a guess.

The other thing that falsely raises the value of our team vs. the payroll is Bledsoe on a rookie deal. Bled is worth upwards of 7mil per year on the open market and we're paying less than 2mil. We have one more season of Bledsoe on the cheap. Beyond that, summer of 2014, tough decisions must be made...And most likely it is Caron is not brought back and Bled is traded in an S&T for a starting SF who makes 8-10mil per year. Paul George anyone?

keep ebled, and try to sign george, or force the pacers to match.

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George comes after Butler goes. And I don't want Howard, he can't make free throws, he's declining, with that ailing back of his. He's an Awesome C, but we don't need one, DJ is slowly but SURELY improving, sweet stroke at the line, nice post game, and he's only 24, plus he and Blake work VERY well together. Proof of it last night. Dj is starting to live up to his salary, and he's only gonna get better.

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