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Joe Kaiser gives us an inside look into what new moves Griffin has picked up during the off-season.

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We're now officially a quarter of the way through the NBA's regular season, giving us ample statistics to scour through and spot some of the more interesting trends around the league.

The challenge each week is being able to overlook things such as hot shooting streaks or temporary slumps and narrowing the focus to long-term trends and changes to a given player's game.

Take, for example, Minnesota's Kevin Love.

Though he's off to quite a big shooting slump to start this season, he's played in only 11 games and his track record is long enough to suggest that it won't stay this way forever. We saw this last month with Milwaukee's Ersan Ilyasova, who has since turned things around and returned to form as a shooter. And we can expect Love and his 34.8 field goal percentage and 20.7 3-point percentage to do the same, at some point rising back toward his career averages of 45.1 and 35.8 percent.

On our hunt for more trends this week, we take a look at two All-Stars, a pair of young players early in their NBA careers and a big-name rookie out West.

Blake Griffin | PF | Los Angeles Clippers

Trend: cutting less, posting up more

With the benefit of Synergy Sports Technology, we're able to dig deeper into Griffin's offensive numbers over the course of his career to see how his game has evolved. The findings might surprise you. To sum it up best, Griffin's offense has slowly but consistently moved away from cuts to the basket and putbacks, which he did much more frequently earlier in his career, to post-ups and spot-up jumpers.

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The good news for Clippers fans -- not so much from a highlight perspective but more in terms of efficiency -- is that the post-up has always been one of Griffin's greatest areas of strength. That seems to be something the team realizes, too, because it's made a point to get Griffin the ball down on the block more frequently every year he's been in the league.

According to Synergy, 29.4 percent of Griffin's offensive plays came via the post-up during his rookie season. That rose to 31.6 percent last season and it's up to 34.4 percent this season. What's better is that the more the team has fed Griffin the ball on the block, the better he's become down there. His 0.966 points per play in post-ups this season ranks 25th among all NBA players.

Carmelo Anthony | SF | New York Knicks

Trend: one of the league's top 3-point threats

Only once prior to this season had Anthony ever attempted more than 3.7 3-pointers per game or shot above 40 percent from 3-point range in a season; both came in his first season with the Knicks in 2010-11.

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This season, though, the five-time All-Star is hoisting up 5.6 3-pointers a game and connecting an astonishing 45.5 percent of the time. That puts him No. 8 in the league in terms of percentage, and No. 5 among all players who've attempted at least 50 shots from behind the arc.

There was a time during Anthony's final two seasons in Denver when he struggled from distance, and the idea of an aggressive 6-foot-8, 230-pound forward like himself doing anything other than attacking the basket seemed borderline crazy. If these stats are any indication, those days appear to be over.

Harrison Barnes | SF | Golden State Warriors

Trend: posting up for offensive success

If tasked with guessing the most efficient part of Barnes' offensive game a month and a half into his rookie season, most NBA fans would probably say his perimeter jumper. After all, that was one of his strong suits in his two seasons at North Carolina, and it's where he shined throughout the preseason, when he connected on 12 of 25 shots from 3-point range.

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So far in the regular season, though, it's actually been Barnes' post-up game that's far and away the most efficient part of his offensive repertoire.

Synergy indicates that while the UNC rookie has been just below league average in transition, in isolation and in spot-up situations so far this season, he's actually in the 95th percentile league-wide in terms of points per play (1.062) in the post. Synergy reveals that just under 13 percent of Barnes' shot attempts are coming via the post-up, a relatively small percentage given his rate of success, and it'll be interesting to see if the team goes to him more in those situations moving forward. Currently, the Warriors mostly use David Lee and Carl Landry in the post, keeping Barnes out on the wing as a guy who can stretch the floor with his shooting ability.

Brandon Knight | PG | Detroit Pistons

Trend: shooting like a shooting guard

Very quietly, Knight has scored 20 points or more in six of Detroit's nine games in December, including five of the past six. In fact, Knight's scoring is up from 12.8 points per game last season to 15 this season. The interesting part is that he's doing it while playing virtually the same amount of minutes (32.6 this season versus 32.3 in 2011-12) and attempting the same amount of shots (12 versus 11.7) as he did as a rookie.

Knight

How's he doing it? Marked improvement from 3-point range, even after shooting an impressive 38 percent from distance as a rookie. Entering Monday, the 6-foot-3 guard is connecting at a 44.7 percent clip, good for 10th in the league. Synergy reveals that Knight has also fared well on isolation plays, coming off screens and when receiving the pass via a handoff, but the spot-up remains his primary strength.

That gets us wondering whether Knight's future with the club might be better suited at the 2. Rodney Stuckey will be entering the final year of his deal next season, and when you consider that Detroit will likely draft somewhere in the upper half of the lottery in 2013 and might have the opportunity to take a dynamic point guard such as Syracuse's Michael Carter-Williams, such a move could very well make sense for the future of the Pistons.

Ed Davis | PF | Toronto Raptors

Trend: finding his niche as a rebounder

Though not a big shot-blocker, the 23-year-old is starting to look like one of the game's best young rebounders. A closer look at the numbers reveals that Davis' rebound rate of 19.2 is 10th in the league, ahead of noted rebounders such as Kenneth Faried, Kris Humphries, Derrick Favors, Dwight Howard and Tyson Chandler. In addition, his 20.99 PER is No. 27 in the NBA after hovering around league average each of his first two seasons.

Davis

The question going forward becomes what the Raptors will do with Davis. ESPN's Tom Haberstroh proposed trading Davis since the Raptors already have Andrea Bargnani and Amir Johnson signed to big deals that extend two years beyond this season (Bargnani and Johnson are projected to be the team's two highest-paid players in 2013-14 and 2014-15). Davis' emergence this season is clearly one of the reasons why Bargnani's name continues to be brought up in trade rumors.

One other important part of this: If the Raptors are able to trade Bargnani and move forward with Davis -- he's signed through next season and can become a restricted free agent in 2014-15 if given a qualifying offer -- they will effectively shift from having one of the league's worst rebounding power forwards to one of the NBA's very best.

Joe Kaiser is a writer for ESPN Insider's Rumor Central, and also writes regularly for Insider on pro and college hoops. Follow him on Twitter @JoeKaiserSports.

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hes barely improving, hes not making the strides of other young PFs like love

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LOL. Who mentions Kevin Love in a discussion about posting up?

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Love the only power forward in the league with the field goal percentage of a borderline scrub point guard

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You're right, K Love has made huge strides in bashing his teams ownership and trying to miss the playoffs every year, in that sense he is light years ahead of Griffin. It's okay though his stats look really cool.

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Well, I haven't noticed an improved post gm. His J is better. His D is better. But his post game and rebounding has regressed big time. Especially the post game. Vinny and Co seemed to let him get sloppy with his footwork in the post. He still spins when he doesn't have to. And puts himself in bad situations where he's taking some crazy shot. When is he going to see Hakeem?

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It's all Vinny's fault.

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tense2 wrote:
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Well, I haven't noticed an improved post gm. His J is better. His D is better. But his post game and rebounding has regressed big time. Especially the post game. Vinny and Co seemed to let him get sloppy with his footwork in the post. He still spins when he doesn't have to. And puts himself in bad situations where he's taking some crazy shot. When is he going to see Hakeem?

It's all Vinny's fault.

with a better coach, he would be a dominant post player by now. happy to see u agree

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I disagree. The object of your fanboism, AKA General Zod, has regressed this year so far. He's looking worse than last year.

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Gus-Fring wrote:
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Well, I haven't noticed an improved post gm. His J is better. His D is better. But his post game and rebounding has regressed big time. Especially the post game. Vinny and Co seemed to let him get sloppy with his footwork in the post. He still spins when he doesn't have to. And puts himself in bad situations where he's taking some crazy shot. When is he going to see Hakeem?

It's all Vinny's fault.

with a better coach, he would be a dominant post player by now. happy to see u agree

Your sarcasm meter seems a bit broken. I know its hard to tell on the internet but in this case it was a bit obvious.... I made the text green to make it easier for you....

I fail to see how BG's post game has regressed considering how he is scoring more from the post than ever before and using his post game even more than before. Keep in mind these facts are posted only a few posts above yours.

I guess personal bias and eye tests surpass cold hard facts.

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Blake Griffin is an average post player. And Vinny has some blame. Dont care what anyone else says. roll

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A thread about Blake's improved post game draws comments from Vinny-haters and K-lovers.

Personally, I have nothing but admiration for the power-forward and coach who have helped bring us the most promising and entertaining team any Clippers fan has ever seen.

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cleepers wrote:
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A thread about Blake's improved post game draws comments from Vinny-haters and K-lovers.

Personally, I have nothing but admiration for the power-forward and coach who have helped bring us the most promising and entertaining team any Clippers fan has ever seen.

Yea ridiculous right? lol

Completely irrelevant.

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Your sarcasm meter seems a bit broken. I know its hard to tell on the internet but in this case it was a bit obvious.... I made the text green to make it easier for you....

I fail to see how BG's post game has regressed considering how he is scoring more from the post than ever before and using his post game even more than before. Keep in mind these facts are posted only a few posts above yours.

I guess personal bias and eye tests surpass cold hard facts.

Blake Griffin is an average post player. And Vinny has some blame. Dont care what anyone else says. roll

So you don't care about anything but your own biased, baseless opinion(no evidence whatsoever)?

Ok thanks for letting me know that I should ignore you so I don't have to read any more posts from you in the future.

Last time I checked VDN's job wasn't to teach BG how to post up and last time I checked he was making large strides but keep ignoring reality.

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what head coach taught Shaq his posts moves? Matt Guokas with the Magic? Brain Hill with the Magic? Harris with the Lakers? How about Jackson with the Lakers?

What about Kobe? Same? Dirk? Lebron's new post game? Spoelstra?

You know nothing about nothing. These players all had a post game before they became pro, or learned on their own in the off-season with people they hired or felt comfortable with.

And just like I told 82-0, VDN and his staff went to BG and gave him a list of shooting coaches.

You sir, know nothing about nothing...Except to easily be blinded by your hate.

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You kidding me right? Let's all blame Vinny and praise K-Douche everybody. New fans *shake head*

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Pretty sure that Minne guy is not a Clippers fan lol.

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clipper*joe wrote:
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with a better coach, he would be a dominant post player by now. happy to see u agree

what head coach taught Shaq his posts moves? Matt Guokas with the Magic? Brain Hill with the Magic? Harris with the Lakers? How about Jackson with the Lakers?

What about Kobe? Same? Dirk? Lebron's new post game? Spoelstra?

You know nothing about nothing. These players all had a post game before they became pro, or learned on their own in the off-season with people they hired or felt comfortable with.

And just like I told 82-0, VDN and his staff went to BG and gave him a list of shooting coaches.

You sir, know nothing about nothing...Except to easily be blinded by your hate.

you know less than nothing. Vinny is a crap coach. I see some of you are gassed off beating bums.

Vinny doesn't have to teach Blake. He needs to demand he post up more. Make it more of the offense. And that's how he will improve. Even if it means losing early in the season, he should be posting up a lot more than he has been. He's basically becoming a role player instead of a superstar becuz of this scrub coach. He's ruined him. Jeff Van Gundy turned Yao into a good Post player by demanding he post up and feeding him the ball. But on this team, CP3 is the coach and he wants to run pick and roll all game as Vinny sux on his thumb and combs his hair.

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He needs to demand he post up more? Even if we lose games? Who are you? A YMCA coach who aspired to be a coach on a professional level and is now relegated to being an internet coach? No coach in their right mind would lose game just so a player can catch up to your expectations of where that player should be at. LOL

Yeah, if he listened to you, we'd be the 8th seed right now. A coach is there to coach everyone, and win games.

Sorry, we have a stacked team that is the second best team in the league right now. BG just won player of week last week...Something he failed to do until now. And now he's ruined? You're a joke!

Your timing is bad, son. You could have at least waited a few weeks after that honor to call him a role player. lol

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Blake Griffin >>>>>>>>>> Kevin Love.

Love sucks at defense and he's a stat-padder with a bad attitude who doesn't make his team better. Overrated.

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I think BG has shown tremendous improvement this year. Not only has he added some legit post moves and a decent mid range game, but he's also starting to play a lot more of an aggressive style of basketball. I think last season, BG got into the habit of playing like a victim, complaining about missed foul calls, and flopping his ass off. This season, he's beginning to play more like a villain, in part thanks to the new rules against flopping which have forced him to play a harder style of defense. Now he's averaging 1.5 steals a game which has led to more fast break opportunities as well.

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jarca wrote:
Minnelobolis wrote:
hes barely improving, hes not making the strides of other young PFs like love

Love the only power forward in the league with the field goal percentage of a borderline scrub point guard

LOL! so true

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Kevin Love? HAHA The great white hype haha

Kevin Love cant jump. Kevin Love has no post up game. Kevin Love cant dunk. He is the biggest stat padder I have seen in recent memory. He is always grabbing wide open rebounds from his teammates and I have seen him get angry at them when they try to grab one from him. He makes the least important baskets of anyone in the league and he is not that much of a talent. I mean He is a PF who can shoot 3s you know how many of those have existed in recent memory? There is nothing special and I really hope he leaves the Wolves so he can go stink it up on another team as a 3rd option...which is what he really is.

Oh and Blake Griffin has always had a post game but it has gotten progressively better. Most people that say he has no post game only watch his highlights and not Clipper games. He posts when he needs to. When he has a smaller man or someone who cant guard him. If I need to explain his post game or you have not seen it or those that havent are not real Clipper fans.

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