Clippers Vs. Warriors 01-02-13 Official Game Thread (P. 13)

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Clipper86 do have a point in Clippers being tougher than skin. But I disagree in giving out flagant foul, that'll just sink even lower. What I agree is on being tougher on the board and don't ever being outhustled by your opponent. This is what VDN will need to teach them. BTW: I love this. I hate the loss, but love the way how Nuggets and Warriors excessive celebration on us. You know what's that mean, Clippers will held no prisoner coming Friday and Saturday. This is how a championship team are built, receiving your opponent's best shot, but fight back and deliver final knockout. I'm glad this is happening right now because I know during playoff, this will pay off. Let go Clips and beat those Lakers and Warriors.

OH yeah Warriors, go ahead and enjoy your victory. By Saturday, it will mean nothing.

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I know what you're saying- but a lot of the problem stemmed from bad shooting, and great shooting by the other team. Just about every team that has beaten the Clippers so far have shot exceptionally well. But yeah I do agree the guys need to get upset at themselves and play harder, with more of a sense of urgency right from the get-go. That should translate into quicker closeouts, aggressive D w/o fouling = more misses by GS = more fastbreak opportunities.

It's about strategy too. We need more if those smart trapping defense we saw in the 3rd quarter. Get in tight on them- don't allow their shooters a rhythm dribble and launch a 3. Make them drive instead, but don't help away from other 3 point shooters. So going small might be the best way to beat these guys.

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I mean IMO it's not even game planning defensively. Anybody who watches the NBA knows the key to stopping the Warriors is to run them off the 3 point line. The 3's open up the court big time for them and letting them get so free constantly was a huge mistake. If they are going to make contested runners all night you live with that.

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You would think the Clippers would already have extra motivation after GS whooped us in LA last month and has talked trash in the media about us the last two years. I'm not impressed with the toughness of our team at all. Very soft team that gets flustered when teams rough them up.

Toughness? What do you mean? Like hard fouls or something? We shot 36%- that's bad shooting and bad offense- nothing to do with toughness. We did get crushed on the boards, but a lot of those rebounds were because of all of our bricks, and them getting offensive rebounds.

And defensively the Clippers did not do a good job overall closing out to shooters. You don't have to be tough to do that, but you do have to to be alert and quick. The focus the last two nights just hasn't been at a level we've been used to seeing during the streak.

I do think that when you have a guy like Curry getting so hot like that, putting someone like Barnes on him and maybe delivering a hard foul probably would have been a good idea to disrupt the guy's rhythm.

This is pretty much it. We've started these last few games far too willing to take what a defense is giving us, which is long jumpers. When they don't fall, teams slack off and clog the paint putting more pressure on the layups. When we miss those, our defense is always in transition and disarray.

Our bigs have to dominate like they're capable of, and FFS Willie, at least make an open jumper often enough to let the other team know you're on the floor!

I'm also not happy with how rough we're being played. Hollins is the answer, he just needs to be let off the leash.

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Bingo- agreed 100%. Especially when you let them rain 3's on you like that so early- you're in big trouble. Make them drive, but do not help away from another shooter, and look to get the rebound and run.

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Yea. How many times did they have literally 3-4 seconds to set up and fire wide open shots? What stings the most is they will never miss those while we have Green bricking wide open 3 after open 3. We need shooting help BAD and I think Billups will be a big boost.

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A lot of those shots are ones we're so used to see going in- they're wide open 3's. But definitely you're right we have to get back on D better and find the shooters after a miss.

And yeah Blake definitely needs to play better- we've seen him play way better than that vs David Lee. I think Blake was getting the ball too deep in the post- get it a little further away so that he can turn and face. Get Lee in foul trouble or something.

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I don't want to say the team played poorly today because the guys had good energy, with the exception of Blake Griffin, but we let them get off to too hot of a start early, and weren't able to capitalize on opportunities when we had the chance. It was a road game so there shouldn't have been any surprise that our 3's weren't falling. I can't believe we jacked up so many 3's for the second game in a row. It's like we didn't learn our lesson from the loss the night before.

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We were beaten by two better teams. We were made jump shooting teams with nothing in the paint. Our shots weren't falling but we have the reputation to be able to beat you in a multiplicity of ways. We got torched on the boards. Blake has been nullified. They keep him out of the paint and never let him get to his sweet spot on the right. This has happened for two games. Curry's production was aberent but Lee's wasn't.

I'm worried that teams have found ways to beat us. With Butler gone there is nobody who can play with their back to the board so we haven't been able to play inside outside. Andre Miller laid out just how Karl beat us.

Deandre needs to score. Blake needs to sink jumpers. I don't understand why VDN doesn't put DJ in at garbage time and run everything through him. Good non stressful practice. Some pundit said correctly that if we can't play a back to the basket half court game we'll have problems in the PO's.

Willie stunk it up. Bledsoe has done little. VDN needs to figure something out fast. No put down to anybody but we need to re tool

Sorry but threes fall at home or away the same. Live by the three die by the three.

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This is the second game I've listen to called by the opponent's broadcasters. First it let me know that Lawler is THE BEST IN THE NBA.

The second thing is that they all complain about how tough and physical we are. They complain about hard fouls and bad calls five times more than Ralph and we do get breaks especially CP3 . Sorry I watched the opponent's replay. We aren't getting screwed. Our problem wasn't hard fouls. GSW is for real and teams may have our number. If and when Billups and Hill get back the worm will turn

BG, CP3, Barnes, EB, Roni, Caron, BG Soft? You are kidding

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Clippersfan86 wrote:
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by the way, i dont care if lee shoots 20 fts on saturday, make him pay everytime he goes into the paint. same thing for curry. the warriors want to play tough, so the clips should defiantely exceed that physicality on saturday. send them a painful message. hollins should play more if dj wont commit the hard fouls that are necessary.

Speaking of DJ he's back to being soft and inconsistent like we talked about other day. It will be a miracle the day he can string together 5+ good games in a row. I agree though dude is soft as tissue when it comes to roughing people up. All he does is go after refs instead of delivering a hard foul himself.

if i was dj's teammate and someone fouled me hard and he didnt rough some up, id punch him in the face after the game. straight up. if you arent producing, at least have your teammate's back, especially if u are his best friend. i loved odom's foul. jarrett jack looked like he was going to cry when he got leveled. thats the stuff we need to see. if opponents want to make it a slugfest, bite down on the mouthpieces and go to work.

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Let's stop crying. BG probably got away with a flagrant against Lee. They called it a "two handed karate chop" It may have been.

Marc Jackson called us tough.

We ain't soft or at least other teams don't think we are

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Okay please never come back

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^bg's foul on lee was flagrant in your eyes? how so? he legitimately went after the ball, unlike the foul ezeli committed on bg, where he yanked him from the air, without playing the ball. whatever. marc jackson doesnt have a clue of what tough is. hes just trying to justify his team's cheapshotting ways. im sure if curry or lee get laid out, he will cry about how that is not basketball and that we are dirty as hell, especially if it costs them a game. tired of talking about this game. on to the flakers on friday and the warriors on saturday

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Clippersfan86 my dog, you really think the Dubs fans are not classy? You think it is wrong to get happy over a win? I think the Clipper fans get super pumped when Griffin throws down his monster jams. Why is it ones business to critique other fans about how happy they are? Why not think, well good for you, I'm happy you're happy for now?

And you really don't think Griffin acted on that one? I'm not criticizing you but he has flopped so many times, like the time on Lee when he made the airplane motion.

Also, what about Louis Scola? The team was all over him, they had a teabag party.

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I think in general Warriors fans are great. I think them booing Griffin after a flagrant wasn't classy.

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lol I mentioned this before as well and people dismissed this observation saying streaks are what we have done in the past not what is going to happen in the future. but the reality is that this team is best known as Jekyll and Hyde. when we win we win big, and when we lose we lose a lot. this wouldn't be such a big problem however if we started losing streak on the end of season we could have a repeat of last year and plummet from 1st or 2nd place to 4th or 5 th where we would match up with golden state and believe that they will boot us out of the playoffs in that matchup

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Would be a miracle if for once we could go on a win streak, lose just one, then go on another win streak of at least 4 or 5 games. That's what teams like the Thunder and the Spurs do.

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So I was at the game last night, sitting relatively close the the Clips bench.

Few observations:

1) As soon as I entered the building I was shocked. The warriors fans were louder and more excited than I have ever seen them. I go to a few games a year, including both times the Clippers come to town, and there was a different feel in there. From the "whiteout" on, they were jacked up. You guys need to get that going in LA!!

2) Bledsoe does not seem happy/engaged. During timeouts he was not paying attention, had his arms crossed, etc. At one point he left the bench to go into the tunnel (bathroom maybe) and didnt even tell anyone (I was watching him when it happened cus of the aforementioned). This guy is our game changer and he just doesnt seem right right now.

3) Odom is looking better. He missed that layup in the 1st half, but redeemed himself with a dunk and good D.

4) Lee was lighting up Blake with ease. Blake seemed frustrated on offense and that showed on his D.

5) We need to ATTACK the basket. We were in the bonus with like 8 minutes left in the third quarter. I told my buddy CP would get 10 FTs that quarter, but it didnt happen because we werent attacking.

Ok, thats it.

I think we will be OK, but this weekend is huge. We NEED to beat the Warriors saturday. Not only for standings and confidence, but I cannot handle the harassment from all my friends up here who are warriors fans

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Dude that was crazy. I was getting on the people around me hard, they were trying to say it wasn't even a foul. From our angle, it was tough to see, but when they showed the replay it was so blatantly obvious. Even then, some of the fans were saying he was acting.

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GS played very well last night and we were tired. Scheduled losses. Both of these last two. It happens on every team's schedule....And I don't take this too bad because the schedule makers were actually trying to do us a favor this week putting GS on the back end of each back to back. They were supposed to suck this year, just didn't turn out that way so far.

This will all even out. If we can get two wins this weekend, the week is a success. We have only two easy games next week and after that GHill and Billups will be on the floor and we could come close for the first time this year to being at full strength.

This is just a rough patch in the schedule. We'll be fine.

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A lot of the issues I saw on the court can be addressed in practice, just seemed like guys weren't doing the basics like boxing out or properly attacking a zone. Half court sets were definitely an issue, not sure if CP3 wasn't running the floor right or guys weren't on the same page, but we need a couple sets to get us easier shots when we need a bucket. This isn't Vinny's specialty and I don't expect us to turn into the Spurs, would be nice to have something by playoff time though. 3-point defense still a problem, Curry and Thompson were out there taking practice shots.

We also can't fall in love with our jumpers. I know our shooting helped us a lot in our W streak but we can't rely on it too much, that's why Barnes was able to give us a huge lift in the 1st half because he's always cutting for easy buckets and running the breaks. BG's slump is also hurting us big time b/c that eliminates our inside-outside game, Lee and other bigs (including the Denver game) were able to defend him in single coverage. I don't know what's up with Bledsoe but he's gotta snap out of it, he missed some layups that he normally makes and he's just not running the floor that well.

Despite Curry, Lee, Thompson, and Jack all having great games, I honestly don't think the way we played would've won us the game even if those guys weren't playing out of their minds. CP3's had a couple off-games, I expect him to show up big time against the Fakers on national TV. Rest of the team needs to talk things over and get their heads back in the game. The downside with that W streak, which has shown up the last couple nights, is that we're thinking things should come easy, but in this league that's never the case. Playing loose with confidence is great, but the team's lost sight of the real challenges of executing at a high level. I hope the players get the message and we get our first W of the year against the Fakers.

One thing's for sure though - both LA teams are going to be HUNGRY. It's gonna be a playoff-type atmosphere, maybe with a few ejections Smile

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Lol yea and the scary thing is we have a tendency for streaks and OKC and the Spurs have proven they can keep consistently winning.
lol I mentioned this before as well and people dismissed this observation saying streaks are what we have done in the past not what is going to happen in the future. but the reality is that this team is best known as Jekyll and Hyde. when we win we win big, and when we lose we lose a lot. this wouldn't be such a big problem however if we started losing streak on the end of season we could have a repeat of last year and plummet from 1st or 2nd place to 4th or 5 th where we would match up with golden state and believe that they will boot us out of the playoffs in that matchup

Its for this reason that I actually think the game against the Lakers is coming at a good time. Its a game the team has to get up for, just because its the Lakers. I'd be more worried about the game if it was some other sub-500 team coming in, like Phoenix or something. We'll be motivated and the Lakers are very beatable. This is a good opportunity to get right before too many losses mount up.

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A website that ends with GM at the end has a thread in their general discussion forum about Blake and the flagrant foul and man. PEOPLE ARE MAD. HAha. It is quite sad. Any chance they get to bash on any of our players for whatever reason they just go all out. I mean the thread is like 11 pages for Petes Sakes. All whiners and people complaining about Blake. You know how they did last year after every game? Haha It is really amazing stuff.

And Yes it was a flagrant. Blake was going up to dunk it or lay it up and that nobody from the Warriors pulled him down from his arm in midair knowing what the risks would be. Any non-homer or non-Clipper hater can see this.

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I think some people forget we played without Butler. I mean he is a huge piece of our team from his defense to offense. Barnes played great but when he went to bench we didn't have our strongest bench. I felt willie green played great defense though he guarded jack and klay really well. It wasn't until crawford came in when jack and klay started to score more. To be honest I want to see dj get the ball down low more. He can shoot over David Lee with ease, the thing is if he misses once they never go back to him. Dj needs to get a few baskets to get himself going so he can rebound. For some reason Griffin and Jordan aren't rebounding to their abilities.

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DJ doesn't get the ball because he wasted the possession. He gets fouled and bricks two free throws or he does something stupid on the offensive end.

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5 wins, 2 losses, 6 wins, 4 losses, 17 wins, 2 lossesthis team is STREAKY (just like their shooting)

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CP3Heliflopter wrote:
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I think some people forget we played without Butler. I mean he is a huge piece of our team from his defense to offense. Barnes played great but when he went to bench we didn't have our strongest bench. I felt willie green played great defense though he guarded jack and klay really well. It wasn't until crawford came in when jack and klay started to score more. To be honest I want to see dj get the ball down low more. He can shoot over David Lee with ease, the thing is if he misses once they never go back to him. Dj needs to get a few baskets to get himself going so he can rebound. For some reason Griffin and Jordan aren't rebounding to their abilities.

DJ doesn't get the ball because he wasted the possession. He gets fouled and bricks two free throws or he does something stupid on the offensive end.

I'd gladly send the ball into Dj to get him fouled by David Lee though. Chances are he'll make 1 of 2 at the line possibly both or get an and 1 opportunity. If he misses both well you put David Lee their 2nd best scorer in foul trouble. Lee just seems to small and weak to Guard Dj. But that's just my opinion.

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clipnasty wrote:
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I think in general Warriors fans are great. I think them booing Griffin after a flagrant wasn't classy.

Dude that was crazy. I was getting on the people around me hard, they were trying to say it wasn't even a foul. From our angle, it was tough to see, but when they showed the replay it was so blatantly obvious. Even then, some of the fans were saying he was acting.

Dude fans always say no foul even if they hit blake a hammer in the head they will not call it a foul. just cover your ears. LOL!

BTW leave that loss in Warriors We should start worrying if it's already 5 in a row. Two game in in two night in the road is just tiring. Blake and CP3 knows that every game counts so l expect them to find ways to win after a back to back loses.

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In short, this team needs a little nastiness right now. Cant win it all without that.

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I will take those ratio of wins and losses any day

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Just saw this:

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The Clippers have attempted 91 free throws in 2 losses to GSW this year. Mark Jackson is not employing Hack-a-Jordan, he's hacking EVERYONE.

I was thinking this exact thing during the game last night. The Warriors are definitely the hacking-est team we've played all season. They foul constantly.

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Also, aside from the first GSW loss and the the OKC loss, I'm pretty sure all the other Ls have been by double-digits. So, when we lose, we really lose.

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tell that to the dumbass warriors fans. but like several of you have said, we need to answer in kind. no more touch fouls. make them count.

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They're the number one team that fouls the most. I heard it while they were playing another team ( forgot who). It's just not when they play us, it's with everyone they play.

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Welcome back Slippers.

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clipperAndrew wrote:
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5 wins, 2 losses, 6 wins, 4 losses, 17 wins, 2 lossesthis team is STREAKY (just like their shooting)

I will take those ratio of wins and losses any day

same here.

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clipper*joe wrote:
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Just saw this:

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The Clippers have attempted 91 free throws in 2 losses to GSW this year. Mark Jackson is not employing Hack-a-Jordan, he's hacking EVERYONE.

I was thinking this exact thing during the game last night. The Warriors are definitely the hacking-est team we've played all season. They foul constantly.

They're the number one team that fouls the most. I heard it while they were playing another team ( forgot who). It's just not when they play us, it's with everyone they play.

Actually GSW's are 2nd with Toronto being #1. The Clippers are 7th.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/pe ... s-per-game

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hoopfanjd31 wrote:
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5 wins, 2 losses, 6 wins, 4 losses, 17 wins, 2 lossesthis team is STREAKY (just like their shooting)

Also, aside from the first GSW loss and the the OKC loss, I'm pretty sure all the other Ls have been by double-digits. So, when we lose, we really lose.

yup, its because of our streaky shooting. when the shots fall, we'll look magnificent. when they're not falling, we'll fail miserably.

another thing, during that winning streak we were playing lots of iso/1v1/jumpshooting basketball. the teamwork usually came on defense (transitiion buckets) and not on offense. that's not healthy, but we got away with it - now that we're losing, it looks a lot worse/more obvious.

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yeah, vinny sold me on correcting our three point defense during our win streak. hes done much better, but i have also said before that vinnys final test will be how he gets the guys to respond after a loss. its established fact now guys this team gets into a mental collapse after one loss. you hit the nail on the head...i still think vinny can correct this but we do need this to be done soon. with our current issues coild you imagine one loss during the playoffs? one loss would progress into four in a row and then we are done. i have faith vinny can correct this, but i think we all have to agree this is a problem. we cant simply brush this aside as coincidence this team hasnt mastered recovering from a single loss

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Nb4 the Clippers go on another long winning streak and you talk about how amazing Blake and Paul are. Can't win 'em all. The guys are tired and banged up. We have a day off and then we have a chance to redeem ourselves against the Lakers.

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hoopfanjd31 wrote:
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5 wins, 2 losses, 6 wins, 4 losses, 17 wins, 2 lossesthis team is STREAKY (just like their shooting)

Also, aside from the first GSW loss and the the OKC loss, I'm pretty sure all the other Ls have been by double-digits. So, when we lose, we really lose.

Nope we're all squared up, we have 4 losses by double digits and 4 losses by single digits.

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fa ... 1-22-1-eff

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Yea that's what I hate the most. Consistent teams may lose here and there but they at least compete. With us it's like either we dominate or get slaughtered. There should be a code among the team to never lose by double digits.

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Miami the favorite to win it all, has lost 5 of their 8 games by double digits.

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The lakers have one of those guys... and they're under .500

Team play got us the record we have today, which every single person on this board would have taken before the season began.

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Even with the last 2 big losses, we're still tied for 2nd at 8.4 in point diff. When we win, we win big.

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Clippers are a virtual lock to finish in the top 4 in the West

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pageC4 wrote:
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Would be a miracle if for once we could go on a win streak, lose just one, then go on another win streak of at least 4 or 5 games. That's what teams like the Thunder and the Spurs do.
yeah, vinny sold me on correcting our three point defense during our win streak. hes done much better, but i have also said before that vinnys final test will be how he gets the guys to respond after a loss. its established fact now guys this team gets into a mental collapse after one loss. you hit the nail on the head...i still think vinny can correct this but we do need this to be done soon. with our current issues coild you imagine one loss during the playoffs? one loss would progress into four in a row and then we are done. i have faith vinny can correct this, but i think we all have to agree this is a problem. we cant simply brush this aside as coincidence this team hasnt mastered recovering from a single loss

we need billups, hill and butler back. straight up. their veteran leadership will right this ship.

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[quote="bullterrierclipsfan1349"][quote="pageC4"][quote="Clippersfan86 "]Would be a miracle if for once we could go on a win streak, lose just one, then go on another win streak of at least 4 or 5 games. That's what teams like the Thunder and the Spurs do.yeah, vinny sold me on correcting our three point defense during our win streak. hes done much better, but i have also said before that vinnys final test will be how he gets the guys to respond after a loss. its established fact now guys this team gets into a mental collapse after one loss. you hit the nail on the head...i still think vinny can correct this but we do need this to be done soon. with our current issues coild you imagine one loss during the playoffs? one loss would progress into four in a row and then we are done. i have faith vinny can correct this, but i think we all have to agree this is a problem. we cant simply brush this aside as coincidence this team hasnt mastered recovering from a single loss

we need billups, hill and butler back. straight up. their veteran leadership will right this ship.no doubt billups and hill can settle our guys down, but we have to learn to do that without their presence both of those players are immensely talented but their problems with injury have kept them out of the line up. we need to be able to do this without Chancey we went through this before last year, and this year we added a lot of depth this depth was acquired in the event that Chauncey went down. I believe in this team and we're completely capable of winning without chauncey. we cant always count on him, i know these guys can win without him...we have a great team

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The Spurs who you were just talking about got 'slaughtered' tonight. Its the NBA, its a marathon, not a sprint. Quit your constant complaining and enjoy the amazing team we have right in front of us.

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