Here's where Vinny went wrong tonight

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Amnesty_David_Stern
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1 - Jamal Crawford almost 29 minutes, 2-11 from the field 0-5 3pters 3 TO's and 0 assists. Crawford isn't much of a team player. He's an isolator and a shooter. 29 minutes of missed shots, poor decisions and turning it over isn't going to cut it.

2 - Willie Green 17 minutes 1-9 from the field, 0-5 3pters.

3 - Bledsoe 17 minutes 5-7 from the field including 2 3pters. 2 boards, 2 assists, 2 turnovers. Bledsoe should have gotten Crawfords minutes and Green shouldn't have been shooting at all. Bledsoe was clearly in a groove. If you want Bledsoe to improve, be part of the team and improve his offensive scoring abilities, tonight is one of those nights where he's clearly making buckets that MAYBE he should get more minutes to spark the team.

How often did he do that in the Memphis series? Me 1 - everybody else 0

4 - Butler - 3-9 from the field, 1-5 3pters. If the shot isn't going down then don't shoot it. Butler isn't a bad 3pt shooter but he's a better jump shooter and he's actually really good at getting to the foul line. Not sure if he's scared of getting injured again but we could use that in a game like this.

5 - 5-29 team 3pters. Honestly? Were better than this. I'm shocked CP3 didn't bitch everybody out. If the long ball isn't dropping, take 15-20 foot jumpers, drive the lane.

6 - Denver had all 3 of their big men with 2-3 fouls in the 2nd quarter. That's the perfect time to attack the rim with every single Clipper player and let Blake go to work. I don't care if he had 3 fouls in the 2nd quarter, put him back in and try to chip away and get a lead. If this team can tie it up or take a slight lead, the entire team plays better.

7 - FT shooting. What the hell guys? I can understand DJ stinking it up, take away his 7 misses and were still 13-22. That's incredibly awful.

Were gonna have games like this, I just think it's a big whiff of a showing when you win 17 games in a row by an average of 15-16 PPG and then you stink it up like the Charlotte Bobcats. Denver is no easy team to win against, and they have incredible depth ESP at the PF/C spots but seriously this is the best they could do?

Overall I'm thrilled with the team this year and we did something many teams could only dream of doing, while inside of a dream. I'm not pissed, I'm not throwing a fit. But for having multiple leaders on this team ( Chauncey, CP3, Grant Hill ) and as a coach, you have to see the percentages at some point, you have to adjust. You have to know when to put in the hot hand, when to tell guys to look for better shots and when to take people out.

This is going to be the main reason why we won't make it very far in the playoffs, mark my words. Live and die by the 3, can't hit free throws and can't make proper adjustments.

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how could cp3 bitch everyone out if he also did not play particularly well.

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This game was an anomaly in terms of shooting. We literally had wide open looks all night long. I dunno if players were hung over or what but it was just bad.

I agree with you rotations could have been better. We kept playing players who were not doing well offensively that do not really contribute much outside of their offense(Green, Butler, Crawford, imo).

I have no clue why Lamar Odom was taken out and Butler put in when he was shooting so poorly.

Overall, a bad game from top to bottom. CP3 needed to be more aggressive and try to find opportunities for teammates in the paint. Our whole team in general needed to look for opportunities to get easy buckets rather than taking perimeter shots that they were not making. Sloppy TOs, poor FT shooting, poor perimeter shooting, lack of paint points, poor bench play.

It was just a mess.

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Three shots at the half is not acceptable. Butler and Green are having a terrible season we know when they are off early in games. Paul has to be more aggressive shooting and running the pick and roll with Blake and DeAndre.

Green and Butler need to be more active if you suck at shooting and on defense you are horrible do the 50/50 out of the box score plays. Hustle for loose balls and set screens for Paul so he can get open looks.

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"Live and die by the 3" good thing we aren't a 3 point team, we are a run n gun team who can slash, post up, play defense and can hit wide open 3's when available.

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CP3Heliflopter wrote:
We literally had wide open looks all night long. I dunno if players were hung over or what but it was just bad.

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Overall, a bad game from top to bottom... It was just a mess.

There you go...

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A lot of the 3s taken were literally completely uncontested. Kind of pathetic really. Even Javale Mcgee could make an uncontested 3. lol

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CP3Heliflopter wrote:
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"Live and die by the 3" good thing we aren't a 3 point team, we are a run n gun team who can slash, post up, play defense and can hit wide open 3's when available.

A lot of the 3s taken were literally completely uncontested. Kind of pathetic really. Even Javale Mcgee could make an uncontested 3. lol

Hahaha Bledsoe was the only player on our team to hit more 3's than Javale.

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Can't win them all. Just got to re-focus and move on to the next one.

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We were tired, played bad. Probably not a good sign playing 3 of the next 4. I'd be happy beating the Ws and Lakers then losing the next game. Tough portion of the schedule.

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Lets bump the fire vdn thread! lol

REDUCE523
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Everyone had a bad game. They looked tired and sluggish. I just hope this was an off night. We have the fakers on friday and that game is going to be a war.

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Ina, worried that the defense has looked progressively worse the last three games...can it bounce back overnight?

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The only thing I would have done differently is I would have left Blake on the court when he picked up his 4th foul. The team was making a push and as soon as he went out, the lead blew up.

BG is our only scoring threat in the post. DJ, Odom, and Ronny can't create their own shots.

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Defense wasn't the problem. The team couldn't hit a shot to save their lives. Even with all of the offensive rebounds we gave up, Nuggets only scored 92 points. Yes, Denver made a conscious effort to slow the game down but the team has to execute better on the half court sets. We settled for jumpshots all night.

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Defense was enough to win... offense wasn't.

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All doesn't have energy maybe tired of new year celebration, l just hope we will bounce back tomorrow and start winning again, 17 straight win is not bad, one lose is fine as long as it will spark for another win for the next game. Even Crawford is not running that much to find his spot and missed his Ft. So no excuse a loss is a loss leave it in Denver.

Amnesty_David_Stern
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A run and gun team? We make 7 3pters a game and shoot 20 a night on the year. That's good for 13th in both categories. Good for being in the top half of the league. And 15th in 3pt % at 35.5%. And we may not be a live by the 3 die by the 3 team, but when you shoot 29 3pters in 1 game, you live and die by the 3 in that particular game so it does apply to this one.

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its just one loss, we just need to make sure the effort is there versus the warriors. tonight wasnt our night. a lot of good looks but the jumpers werent falling. i knew we had lost when magee hit the 3. that was the moment i knew our streak was over.

clippertime
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This is the classic dreaded half court set that will knock the clippers out of the playoffs......cmon vinny, fix it already, everything else is solid!

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our last 3 games had been lacking defensive intensity. I'm thinking the guys are just tired. I'm HOPING that the guys are just tired, after winning 17 in a row.

fashowclips
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Just an all around bad game. It was one of the nights, no big deal. We shouldn't even look back at it because it was the type of night where balls were halfway down and they came back out. Nothing you could do. I don't know how people could knock em for one game after they just won 17 though.

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I'm not seeing this tired thing. Maybe someone sees something I don't. I see bad rotations. I see Griffin thinking he has some backline help, and other things last night like hot potato basketball, but I don't see anything that suggest tired or sluggish. Bad rebounding, which wasn't actually that bad at all considering most of the time a clipper got a hand on the ball, just couln't put a fork in it.

What I am really concerned with is all the trapping and doubling on the perimeter against a team that is not that good shooting, and is know to look for the oop. I hope this team doesn't deploy this defense against the Warriors, because it will get real ugly really fast.

I think last night was a great chance for Bled to get pt with paul in the starting unit, because one of our problems, was getting separation from the defender to set up another player. Green could have been inserted in the second unit with Craw and Odom to handle most of the play intiating.

Bledsoe was doing a better job against Iggy and Green I think could have D up Miller enough to actually be effective.

If they were hitting their shots we probably would have pulled out the win, but this doesn't fix some of the underlying problems.

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The guys on NBATV were talking about how the altitude makes a difference in the shooting. I think Crawford was the most affected because his shot has a high arc.

CP3Best
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One of those games where EVERYTHING IS WRONG, 17 games won in a row, I can deal with a loss if we keep up that pace. Sometimes you have a game where nothing goes your way.

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Don't see anything about being tired? the wide open misses all night long? slow getting up and down the court? I think those are a couple of big things that indicate the players being tired. These rotations are what got us on that win streak, it's just our bench has been playing very very crappy these last 3 games (again, fatigue?).

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Didn't see much transitional buckets by the nuggs which would indicate not getting up and down the court. The shots they missed could be attributed to a lot of things, but being tired is not one i am going to say was the reason. They were pushing the pace most of the time to their detriment leading to many unforced turnovers.

The rotations have been fine, but when you have a specific situation where you might need a change, there is nothing wrong with a least trying when most everything else isn't working. I'm talking 3 - 5 minutes tops.

Denver made us a jump shooting team, and we didn't try to do much of anything else, and it's was dissapointing that our on the court coach didn't try to penetrate more as he should have realized this.

I usually go back and review games afterward to see little things. Since this one was NT, I don't have that luxury, but I know I was pretty livid that they were trying too hard to push the ball up court off the rebound they actually did get.

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You just knew when the first loss came that the "I know better than the coach" posters would come out of the woodwork. 11 coaches in the history of the NBA have coached a team to seventeen wins in a row - 9 of those took teams to the finals, and 7 of those won the championship . You know who is not ranked among those 11 coaches in the history of the NBA? Everyone in this thread.

OptimusDimes
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Everyone should be held accountable for such a lackluster ball game. It's not the fact we lost, it's how we lost.

I give Vinny credit for his strengths because that is the reason we are where we are now. My critism is against the players in this one, especially the on the floor coaches, and high bbiq players that were just doing things they really should not have done.

Not to much concerned about the loss, just the trend. This team is too talented not to be able to play better win or lose.

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And just to clarify, when I said bad rotations, I was referring to defensive rotations, hence BG thinking he had someone behind him helping on D.

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i love that this thread popped up after the loss and not that ubiquitous "fire vdn" thread.

Good stuff clipper nation- you're learning!

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OptimusDimes wrote:
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You just knew when the first loss came that the "I know better than the coach" posters would come out of the woodwork. 11 coaches in the history of the NBA have coached a team to seventeen wins in a row - 9 of those took teams to the finals, and 7 of those won the championship . You know who is not ranked among those 11 coaches in the history of the NBA? Everyone in this thread.

Everyone should be held accountable for such a lackluster ball game. It's not the fact we lost, it's how we lost.

I give Vinny credit for his strengths because that is the reason we are where we are now. My critism is against the players in this one, especially the on the floor coaches, and high bbiq players that were just doing things they really should not have done.

Not to much concerned about the loss, just the trend. This team is too talented not to be able to play better win or lose.

The title of this thread, and the original post that started it, were clearly pointing the finger at VDN. I am pointing the finger back at that poster, and those who support his view.

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I just accept that we lost to the team with the best home court record in the league. We are not going to have a perfect season. As long as we don't have losing streaks I am fine with one loss here and there against solid teams. I don't think VDN should be blamed for this loss. A number of the guys who normally give us 10+ pts weren't producing last night and our defense was off.

Not to be negative but what happened last night is essentially what Charles Barkley said our problem would be, the game slowed down and we weren't making outside shots. It would have helped to have Billups and Hill available last night though.

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Exactly, that's what I was worry about. If we can't make shot, we need a new offensive plan to get our players shoot closer to the basket. This would be nice to have going on playoff time whenever we need a big one or our shot not falling. Hopefully VDN got a playoff playbook.

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This. This is not a game to over-analyze. Just an all-around bad performance. It was bound to happen sooner or later.

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IMHO,,they just played at 3/4 speed. Sluggish all around,,no one could have pulled that one out,,no one. Altitude, who knows. They were even kinda sluggish against the Jazz, like they need a couple of days off.

We let it go and we move on.

i am very impressed that here it is around noon and no one resurrected the FIre Vinny thread and no one is talking rebuilding. I am proud to know that Clipper Nation knows the SH** Happens.

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Vinny just won Coach of The Month for December.

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Vinny is flawed no doubt but it's a joke to blame him for last night. How can you blame him when our players missed 14 free throws and shot 3-29 or w/e from deep? They couldn't hit open shots and gave a half ass effort, nothing to do with coaching.

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im sure missing 14 ft's and going 5 out of 29 from 3 gives off that impression, which is just a figment of what really was. even cp3 said that it wasnt so much execution, since they had open shots, but the shots werent falling. simple as that.

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Yup. I mean sure Vinny doesn't have an elaborate offense but the odds of us shooting 38 percent, missing 14 free throws and bricking so many open shots our guys normally hit.. are slim. I don't expect a game like this for a while.

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even the great teams have an off night. as long as the effort is there and the ball movement is there, the clips should be fine. ill take 3-1 any day.

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OptimusDimes wrote:
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Don't see anything about being tired? the wide open misses all night long? slow getting up and down the court? I think those are a couple of big things that indicate the players being tired. These rotations are what got us on that win streak, it's just our bench has been playing very very crappy these last 3 games (again, fatigue?).

Didn't see much transitional buckets by the nuggs which would indicate not getting up and down the court. The shots they missed could be attributed to a lot of things, but being tired is not one i am going to say was the reason. They were pushing the pace most of the time to their detriment leading to many unforced turnovers.

The rotations have been fine, but when you have a specific situation where you might need a change, there is nothing wrong with a least trying when most everything else isn't working. I'm talking 3 - 5 minutes tops.

Denver made us a jump shooting team, and we didn't try to do much of anything else, and it's was dissapointing that our on the court coach didn't try to penetrate more as he should have realized this.

I usually go back and review games afterward to see little things. Since this one was NT, I don't have that luxury, but I know I was pretty livid that they were trying too hard to push the ball up court off the rebound they actually did get.

We were trying to push but didn't have that extra energy to finish the plays, which resulted in missed buckets, turnovers, and then pretty terrible defense on the other end. nobody will know what happened for sure, but to me that game seemed like the entire team was off, and a bit tired.

A7XDreamTheaterClipps
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After a 17 game winning streak, the Clippers were just bound to lose a game... IN MY EFFIN PRESENCE..... ****!!!!!. it won't be easy but they should be able to bounce back tonight.

Jerediscool
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If anything this could be a good thing. It takes the pressre off for tonight against GSW and takes a lot of pressure of against the Lakers. No more streak-stress. Just play and start a new streak.

A7XDreamTheaterClipps
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Not to sound religious but losing to the Nuggets basically "cleansed" the Clippers of the demons of the 17 game winning streak. The Clippers are now fresh and ready for another big thing to happenm(whether it's another 10+ winning streak, a historical game, sweeping the Lakers, Championship)

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thats what i just said! haha

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Its funny that Faker fans laugh at us losing. Our loss just means it will be even harder for them to make the playoffs. lol

It would be hilarious if they don't even grab the 8th seed.

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