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Clippersfan86
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I just dug up some numbers. Did you guys know this Clippers team is the best defense and offense of any in our history? The offense is ranked better and more efficient than one of the highest scoring offenses in NBA history, the Buffalo Braves. The defense is significantly better than the 06 Clippers as well as the Braves teams that made deep playoff runs in the east.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAC/

Look for yourself. Lower defensive rating= better, higher offensive rating= better.

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I thought you were calling out members of CTB that said that. I don't care about numbers (well I do but I am not a stat geek) as much as what I see and I can promise you at least since 1990,,this is the best team I have ever seen in the red, white and blue.

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I remember the 06 Clippers even though I wasn't a Clippers fan back then. They were a very good team with a peak Elton Brand(I know people here hate him) anchoring the defense.

The problem was the offense was mediocre at best and even though Elton Brand was a stud defender back then there were some defensive liabilities that played heavy minutes.

Overall, they were a borderline elite defensive team that was so-so offensively. Elton Brand was the go to guy and as ridiculously good as he was for that one season he was not good enough to be a 1st option on a contender. The bench was pretty average and Maggette and Cassell were good players but not good enough to be 2nd options on an elite team.

Now that I think about it its crazy how underrated Elton Brand was. Great defender but no all defensive teams. A very good player in the league for several years but only 2 All Star games.

Anyway I think its pretty clear that our current team is better and its not really debatable. The record speaks for itself.

Our bench is a lot better and our stars are better.

Clippersfan86
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Naw... I just wanted to make a more controversial thread title haha. I'm essentially critically asking ANYBODY who ever thought this WASN'T the best Clippers team ever. Analysts, CTB people, general Clippers fans not on here etc. I remember recently though on CTB we had a debate and more than a few people argued pretty intensely that the 06 squad was better.

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Used to burn me up how little recognition EB got due to playing for the Clippers. He was a fantastic two way player and in 06 was right there on both ends of the floor with KG and Duncan yet guys like Webber got more attention.

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We're making history with the numbers... but we're doing it by bringing fans the most entertainment of any team.

No sports fan could ask for more than that.

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I honestly thought we were going to win it all in 06, but I also thought so many things had to go right for it to happen and Sam Cassell's 8 second violation and Raja Bell's 3 was not one of them. Sam Cassell probably had more 8 second violations in one season than CP3 has had throughout his entire highschool, College, and NBA career. Sam was a Legend though and i'll always love him.

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Clippersfan86 wrote:
CP3Heliflopter wrote:
I remember the 06 Clippers even though I wasn't a Clippers fan back then. They were a very good team with a peak Elton Brand(I know people here hate him) anchoring the defense.

The problem was the offense was mediocre at best and even though Elton Brand was a stud defender back then there were some defensive liabilities that played heavy minutes.

Elton Brand was the go to guy and as ridiculously good as he was for that one season he was not good enough to be a 1st option on a contender. The bench was pretty average and Maggette and Cassell were good players but not good enough to be 2nd options on an elite team.

Now that I think about it its crazy how underrated Elton Brand was. Great defender but no all defensive teams. A very good player in the league for several years but only 2 All Star games.

Used to burn me up how little recognition EB got due to playing for the Clippers. He was a fantastic two way player and in 06 was right there on both ends of the floor with KG and Duncan yet guys like Webber got more attention.

Its really just a matter of Chris Webber being fortunate enough to play on a stacked Kings team. Players on better teams always get more recognition while players on terrible teams usually get less attention and get blamed for lack of success even though their team is terrible.

Elton Brand and Webber were similar offensively but Brand was the better defender by a good margin so overall yea Brand was a bit better and his peak was a lot better even.

Clippersfan86
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Yea Webber was a better passer/ more versatile scorer but Brand was 3 times the defender and a better rebounder which is far more important for your big man.

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In his best season (05-06) EB was in a class just below KG, Duncan, and Dirk which was impressive.

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But you also remember we backed into it by throwing a couple of games to get weak Denver in round 1. We got our wish and rolled over them just to run into the juggernaut of SA.

But EB (the old EB, not the young EB) was one of my favorites before he skunked us. I do wonder what would have happened had he stayed

Clippersfan86
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Ron we faced the Suns in round 2 and had them on the ropes before Sam Cassell's 8 second violation choke, not the Spurs. Had he held strong and won the game, we were in the western conference finals. But instead Raja douchebag hit a huge 3, stole the game, then they went back to Phoenix for game 7 and obliterated us by like 30 if I remember.

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We would've never won the title that year with the way refs were giving calls to Wade and the Heat.

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Don't get old,,the mind wanders. You'd think I would remember being at almost all of those games,,,,I need to put down the ,,,what was I talking about?

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But in my defense,,we did throw games,,I remember that for sure !

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Yeah it was the Suns we played.... So close man... Sad

Clippersfan86
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Yes we did throw games to face the Nuggets Ron, that is true Wink.

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That 06 team was very, very good. It wasn't perfect by any means, and if it wasn't for a cheap push off by Raja Bell, that team would have gone on to beat Dallas and play the Heat in the finals.

Sam Cassel was incredible that year, unstoppable, better offensively than CP3, just not good defensively. Brand was at a peak and a top five player that year. That team would have won a championship if. . .

Corey Maggette did not block a trade that would have landed Ron Artest. Mobely played awesome that year in the back court.

That starting five vs ours now:

Cassel and Mobley, Maggette, Kaman, and Brand.

Brand would have tore up Blake. Paul and Cassel would have even eachother out. Mobley and Crawford would have even it out. Maggette played well, but there bench was garbage compared to this team.

This team would beat 2006, but 2006 starting line up was better, if u don't put Crawford or Billups in it.

If they added Artest, they would have been champions.

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^ Chris Paul >>>>> Sam Cassell.

Clippersfan86
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Cleepers Cassell was a much more aggressive and dependable scorer. CP3 when aggressive is a superior scorer but that's once in a blue moon. Overall though CP3 is obviously better. Cassell was an all star PG himself though so no slouch. My favorite Clipper of all time hands down.

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BTW tore up is a strong word. Blake wouldn't of been dominant vs Brand but it would of been a good matchup. Billups is a better version of older Mobley, Maggette was a little better than Butler and Kaman was better than DJ. In general I agree that starting 5 was individually better. This team has more chemistry and os way deeper and better defensively though.

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Eh. I can't believe someone said Cassell would even out CP3.... Cassell in 2006 scored 17.2 to CP3's 17 ppg on much lower efficiency. 53.4 TS% vs 60 TS%.

Paul's scoring numbers are deflated because he does a disproportionate amount of his scoring in the 4th quarter and he isn't playing much in the 4th quarter. It was just last season that CP3 averaged 20ppg....

Take into account playmaking ability and the gap is even larger. As an offensive anchor CP3 is better by a large margin. Basketball isn't only about raw ppg. There is a reason why CP3 is almost always top 3 in offensive win shares and there is a reason why all CP3 lead offensives are top 10 or better when his teammates are at least somewhat competent offensively.

As for Brand vs BG. Elton Brand would have the upper hand but it would hardly be a one sided beatdown especially since basketball isn't about 1 on 1 matchups.

Overall, our current team's overall team defense is better by a decent margin and its offense is better by a HUGE margin.

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Wait, what? Our? 'Cause both teams would be ours, don't ya think? Question

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Wrong choice of words I fixed it. Neutral

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Oh in response to Cassel even out Paul. I take it you didn't see the 2006 season. Cassel was unstoppable, and dominant. I said he would be better than Paul Offensively. He even was a better shooter. He was the reason Elton Brand had an all-star year. He is also the reason Minnesota would have gone to the finals to play Detroit if he didn't get hurt.

No, he is not a better player, Paul is a pure point guard, one of the finest to ever play, but statistically, Cassel is one of the top 100 players to ever play according to ESPN Stats guy.

I'll make a thread for this.

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Even if the 06 clipper is better than the 2013 player, they can't win a championship anymore lets just wait nd see what's this 2013 team can do this year.

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Oh in response to Cassel even out Paul. I take it you didn't see the 2006 season. Cassel was unstoppable, and dominant. I said he would be better than Paul Offensively. He even was a better shooter. He was the reason Elton Brand had an all-star year. He is also the reason Minnesota would have gone to the finals to play Detroit if he didn't get hurt. No, he is not a better player, Paul is a pure point guard, one of the finest to ever play, but statistically, Cassel is one of the top 100 players to ever play according....

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You can watch the 2006 playoff verses the Suns right now:

Quinten Ross was starting btw. My take after watching a bit is that 2013 would have mopped the floor with 2006. How in the hell would they have stopped Lob City? We have a very special team indeed right now. But watch yourself and decide.

Got to dig thin, hippy-haired Kamen, btw.

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^ Still makes me sad that Livy didn't pan out. Then again, we would've never had Blake and CP if he did pan out.

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there's no doubt that this year's squad is BY FAR AND AWAY to ever suit up for LAC.

that being sida, last year's squad was NOT better than the 05-06 squad. last year was chris paul and occasionally blake griffin. This year its the entire team that's contributing, turiaf included.

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Damn, Steve Nash was so mobile in that series. You can't say the same about the current Nash...

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People praise that team so much simply because it was the best team we ever had, or at least the best team since we were in buffalo and not many members here were old enough, or even alive to remember that.

It is shameful that we only have 1 real team to compare this one too, however I think we'll have many teams in the next 5-10 that we can compare other teams too in terms of greatness.

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i didnt know those people existed o.o

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Over the summer I already felt on paper this was the best LAC squad ever assembled. I've always felt last year's team was comparable to the 05-06 team, and this past summer they went to great lengths to address their roster weaknesses identified during their playoff run. Right now there is no debate this is the best squad in franchise history.

As for comparing squads in the last decade, the 05-06 team finished with a W% of 57.3%, while last year's squad finished with 60.6% in a shortened season. Both squads made it to the 2nd round of playoffs though the 05-06 team took it to 7 games versus a Phoenix team that was 2nd in the West while last year's squad got swept against the #1 team in the West. Roughly comparable IMO, both were 2nd round exits.

However looking at where we are now, #1 team in the league with a whopping W% of 77.8%! This team's broken records set all the way back in the Buffalo days and is in the contender discussion day in and day out. Clearly it's still early in the debate as we've yet to see how far this team will go, but I think it's safe to say that we're in a great position to win it all. Back in 2005, I couldn't say that about our squad.

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I agree with everything you said other than that 05-06 team's playoff run was equal to last years. 05-06 team was all but in the conference finals, but for a few boneheaded plays late in games. Last year, we got swept and never sniffed the conference finals (injuries/general exhaustion from that memphis series is sure to blame, but still).

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^ Agreed on better playoff run in 2006 but last year's team was percentage points ahead in regular season wins in a shortened season and a roster that was quickly assembled with little time to gell. I couldn't quantify it, so just figured both teams were about comparable, end result still the same both years.

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Clips in the early 90s were pretty good too,,nothing like this but well worth watching with Danny Manning

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There is no question this Clippers team is lightyears ahead of the 06 team. The 06 team was awesome but they were far from the best team in the league that year. This team is the best team in the league.

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