Clippers Vs. Mavericks 01-09-13 Official Game Thread (P. 5)

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Grillinnap
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We haven't had many chances recently. It just seems like we always end up playing our bench in the 4th because of the blowout score. I guess that's the only bad thing about always blowing teams out - not enough experience in crucial situations late in the game.

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Hey guys the warriors lost again! More cushion on the Pacific division

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Blake with 13 rebounds. I love it.

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Not a pretty win, but a win none the less

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Agreed. Good teams win in various ways, and we did that tonight.

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Great win Caron needs to hustle like that every game he is more talented than Barnes and has the history of being a gritty player. We need more Tough Juice and less Caron Bulter

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Not sure if this has been mentioned, but this was VDNs 100th win with the Clippers.

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nice nice win 13th at home.

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We cannot trade Bledsoe until next summer, we need him in the second unit. But clearly Vinny does not trust him. I feel awful for him -8 minutes! He seems frustrated I hope he can continue to put it aside for the betterment of the team

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Bledsoe did not deserve any trust tonight. It was a smart decsion to bench him. This guy needs to improve his playmaking skills BADLY.

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bright spot

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Icecoldclipper wrote:
jarca wrote:
Hey guys the warriors lost again! More cushion on the Pacific division

bright spot

The beating they got from the clippers put them into a funk lol

Icecoldclipper
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Grillinnap wrote:
ClippersDA wrote:
We cannot trade Bledsoe until next summer, we need him in the second unit. But clearly Vinny does not trust him. I feel awful for him -8 minutes! He seems frustrated I hope he can continue to put it aside for the betterment of the team

Bledsoe did not deserve any trust tonight. It was a smart decsion to bench him. This guy needs to improve his playmaking skills BADLY.

How did he not deserve more time he played tight defense while cp3 got torched all game and he carried the offense while Odom was bricking shots and Crawford either passed up or missed open looks.

Bledsoe was the only bright spot of the first wave that came in. Barnes wasn't looking to score and Turiaf was moving around

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Boy they scared me. Happy with the W tho. Smile

Icecoldclipper
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The team overall D was solid tonight outside of the looks Collinson got the offense was far as turnovers was a issue but they didnt make us pay

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Whew...that was more exciting than it should have been. Look, they did a great job defending BG. Almost every time he got the ball in the post he was covered well, and when he looked for Green to cut, Green was well defended. So BG couldn't find the open guy like he did against the Warriors. Still, Blake made a couple of HUGE baskets. They were ugly, but HUGE. If he can figure out a way to get the shot off easier, it'll be even better. I love that he showed up in the clutch. And I kinda hate it that CP3 feels like he has to be the guy all the time. BG did have 13 rebounds, 3 steals and a block, so a nice overall effort by him. A lot of turnovers from Blake, but considering how well defended, it's understandable.

Honestly, it's the lazy turnovers I found frustrating. Caron's losing the ball out of bounds...a few of Paul's passes just not CP3 like at all. Still, I love Caron's rebounding down the stretch. I couldn't believe my eyes when he grabbed those crucial boards! CP3 made up for those TO's with 16 assists.

What can I say about Barnes? That guy has been amazing. He definitely saved us a few times with some timely shots. Plus his usual defensive, rebounding effort.

I think we proved we can play in the half court tonight. Heck, practically the whole game felt like it was slowed down. Yet we shot a decent 48.1% from the field and kept them to 42.9%. We out rebounded them. Really our biggest problem tonight was we gave them the edge on turnovers. We only forced 13 turnovers from them, which is unusual for us. And we turned the ball over 21 times. Also unusual. I consider that a fluke. Next time we flip that stat around, like normal.

Anyway, tonight was a great test, to prove we can win even the close games.

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Have to disagree...with our depth, bledsoe should have seen some time with paul, and he would have to defer to him with the ballhandling duties. This is really just VDN going with who he trust, and IMO, he was overlooking the other qualities that Bled brings to the table.

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CP3 proved why he's the MVP. Thank you Poppa Stern

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The guys definitely had to work hard for the win tonight with all the turnovers committed. But it was not unexpected with all the days off. Dallas actually played pretty good defense, and Collison really did a lot of damage with his quick drives. But ultimately the great play of CP3 and super 3 point shooting by Matt Barnes saved the day. Blake was contained but still helped with a ton of boards. Caron was off with his shot tonight but had those two huge offensive rebounds. Good job by VDN to put him in over Jamal to match up better with the Mavs down the stretch.

Interesting that CP3 went the entire second half pretty much out of necessity, though Bledsoe was pretty solid in limited minutes.

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An off-night for just about everyone but Barnes and CP3 - and even he had 3 TO's. But 11 TO's from our starting bigs is just dismal. I'll be very disappointed if Blake and DJ don't go HAM on Saturday, because the next 2 days practice should all be about them.

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I wonder if Blake would benefit getting the ball on the move ala the end around play designed for maggette under dunsleasy's watch to intiate plays, and/or scoring. At times, he appears to hesitant in the post up.

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OptimusDimes wrote:
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An off-night for just about everyone but Barnes and CP3 - and even he had 3 TO's. But 11 TO's from our starting bigs is just dismal. I'll be very disappointed if Blake and DJ don't go HAM on Saturday, because the next 2 days practice should all be about them.

I wonder if Blake would benefit getting the ball on the move ala the end around play designed for maggette under dunsleasy's watch to intiate plays, and/or scoring. At times, he appears to hesitant in the post up.

I don't know if he needs to get the ball on the move as much as he needs to just move quicker.

He can be solid in the post if he gets good position and moves quickly. Tonight, he seemed satisfied with being pushed out and looking to pass. He was just a hair slow and their defense was keyed on him.

Besides, we're always going to get the best of Brand/Kaman against us... especially in Staples.

I'm just glad we can win games when Blake has a stinker. Remember when he had to get 25-30 for us to win? Just one more win and we'll equal our win total from his rookie year... in way less than half a season!

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I'm not so hard on BG tonight's game. There were some very effective doubles and nobody cutting to the basket for him to pass to. Brand did a good job poking the ball away. I thought BG fought pretty hard otherwise. His rebounds and steals were more than solid.

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What you think about VDN putting Caron Butler in favor of Crawford. That's really gutsy right there. I truly did not expect that, but it did help. VDN is sure improving, good for him.

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Voyeur wrote:
cleepers wrote:
An off-night for just about everyone but Barnes and CP3 - and even he had 3 TO's. But 11 TO's from our starting bigs is just dismal. I'll be very disappointed if Blake and DJ don't go HAM on Saturday, because the next 2 days practice should all be about them.

I'm not so hard on BG tonight's game. There were some very effective doubles and nobody cutting to the basket for him to pass to. Brand did a good job poking the ball away. I thought BG fought pretty hard otherwise. His rebounds and steals were more than solid.

I agree- the cuts tonight were not timed very well, and sometimes never even came. And if the first cutter was not open, there wasn't really a counter after that, and a 1 on 1 tough shot resulted after. So that's something that needs to be looked at and worked on by the team. We don't want to have too many of those tough contested shots that have to be put up at the end of the shot clock.

Also I still think that once Blake gets into the lane, he has to shoot the darn ball. There was this one play where he went into the lane right below the foul line and could have easily elevated for a short bank shot, but instead he threw it back out.

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A very good move- he matched up better vs Vince Carter, and on switches Caron could have contested better than Jamal vs Dirk.

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Vinny definitely held his own against one of the best.

Voyeur
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I agree. I'd much prefer Blake take small jumpers or running hooks in the lane instead of 20 footers frankly.

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took my dad to his first clipper game. Former "Showtime" Lakers fan converted to "Showtime" Clippers fan.

at that point of the game defense was crucial. Crawford was being outmatched by VC. Crawford scoring wasn't needed at that moment. I'd say smart move by VDN, Barnes still had the hot hand and could provide necessary defense.

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Voyeur wrote:
david wrote:
I agree- the cuts tonight were not timed very well, and sometimes never even came. And if the first cutter was not open, there wasn't really a counter after that, and a 1 on 1 tough shot resulted after. So that's something that needs to be looked at and worked on by the team. We don't want to have too many of those tough contested shots that have to be put up at the end of the shot clock.

Also I still think that once Blake gets into the lane, he has to shoot the darn ball. There was this one play where he went into the lane right below the foul line and could have easily elevated for a short bank shot, but instead he threw it back out.

I agree. I'd much prefer Blake take small jumpers or running hooks in the lane instead of 20 footers frankly.

depends on the situation. bg has a nice stroke when he doesnt hesitate. and if he gets that fadeaway down, ala hakeem, we will be unstoppable

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Voyeur wrote:
cleepers wrote:
An off-night for just about everyone but Barnes and CP3 - and even he had 3 TO's. But 11 TO's from our starting bigs is just dismal. I'll be very disappointed if Blake and DJ don't go HAM on Saturday, because the next 2 days practice should all be about them.

I'm not so hard on BG tonight's game. There were some very effective doubles and nobody cutting to the basket for him to pass to. Brand did a good job poking the ball away. I thought BG fought pretty hard otherwise. His rebounds and steals were more than solid.

This wasn't a great game by Paul he scored very late in the game and was playing terrible defense if Darren was pressured on d we win easy.

Kaman, Dirk and Brand were contained.

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Nice small comeback win here on national TV. These are the types of games the Clips need to grind out to get ready for the postseason.

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There is no way CP3 could contain Collison on the open court without help on D. Especially not on the fastbreak. He is way too fast(though Cp3 did play poor defense a few times). Once we slowed down, increased our defensive intensity and stopped turning the ball over which allowed them to get fastbreak points we contained Collison easily.

It was mostly sloppy TOs that killed us. 11 from our starting frontcourt alone is unacceptable. DJ turned the ball over 5 times in 17 minutes. Turiaf turned it over twice as well.

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Last night was brutal to watch. Just a slopfest. One of those games where you just feel dirty afterwards.

Butttt, a W! Ill take those.

hoopfanjd31
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This. The TOs were really what allowed Dallas to be in the game, though I was never seriously worried we would lose. I think it was the product of the relatively long lay-off between games. And even though we again have a few days before the next game, I don't expect us to play nearly as sloppy.

LotsoHope
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Looking ahead to Orlando on Sat, I know I shouldn't be worried... but they've lost 10 straight going in to this game. I'm sure they're hungry, we need to be alert going into this game.

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This was a solid win sloppy win that worried me since Dallas took Miami and OKC to overtime recently. All and all we should be happy winning a grind it out game like this. Still we need to figure out the ball movement issues or have more set plays. It seems like we wait way to long in the shot clock to get a shot off, which sometimes translates into bad shots... Like the loses to the Nuggets and Warriors. And when we don't get the offensive boards, it is even worse. When we go through these lapses we allow other teams to get back in the game like Dallas did late in second to make it a game and in the third to grab the lead. This half court stuff needs to ironed out come playoff time.

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