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FYI: Solid source says Clips discussed trading Jordan 4 Varajeo B4 it was known he needs knee surgery. Cavs demanded Bledsoe as well.

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I've wanted Varejao a long time but him being 30 years old combined with how injury prone he is... it's not worth giving up Bledsoe as well. If Varejao was always healthy I'd do it in a heartbeat because dude is a legit 15/15 threat every single night and plays WAY better D than Jordan.

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Really? Link please

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My avatar shows DJ schooling Varejao though lol

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It's on that writers Twitter, not an article. I don't doubt it though because value wise that sounds pretty fair if Varejao was healthy. It was just last month that Varejao was AVERAGING like 14/14 on the season and he's been shooting lights out on the jumper. I'd do DJ for Varejao straight up without blinking twice but Bledsoe has more value than trading for a guy who's always injured.

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I don't believe this rumor, and even if it was true, I wouldn't do it.

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Actually... he still IS averaging 14 ppg, 14.5 rpg (best in NBA), 3.5 apg, 1.5 spg on great efficiency. If he was healthy I'd actually do this trade.

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Wow that would have been a dunlevy trade !!!

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^ You are looking WAY into his numbers. Don't forget, Antawn Jamison averaged almost 20 pts a game last season on that same Cavalier team. Numbers on a bad team don't mean much.

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Thank god it didn't happen

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I wouldn't. Varejao is fools gold. Always has been. He will have a great stretch of games then get injured. Happened last season and happened the season before that.

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^ Yup!

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Injury prone doesn't mean he's fools gold. Andy has been one of the best rebounders and defenders in the NBA for years. He's become a knock down shooter the last two seasons to boot. DJ is far more "fools gold" than Varejao.

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I wouldn't. Varejao is fools gold. Always has been. He will have a great stretch of games then get injured. Happened last season and happened the season before that.

Injury prone doesn't mean he's fools gold. Andy has been one of the best rebounders and defenders in the NBA for years. He's become a knock down shooter the last two seasons to boot. DJ is far more "fools gold" than Varejao.

It has taken him 3 whole seasons to play a full nba season. Being injury prone is fools gold. Just look at Greg Oden. It doesn't matter how good you are if you don't play....

I much rather have an average Center that plays for the entire season than a C that plays at an incredible level at the start of the season and then gets injured for the rest of the season.

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Don't think I'd do this deal, but I'd be really intrigued with a Caron, Bledsoe, and filler deal for Rudy Gay. A poster on another board mentioned that his source said the the Grizzlies offered this deal to the Clips about a month ago.

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glad it didnt happen either. im surprised they didn't ask for blake's opinion that would ruin a lot of the team chemistry that i truly believe it starts with DJ since he is a goofball

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Absolutely not. There is a reason why the Grizzlies want to get rid of him.

Needs to dominate the ball to be effective, a high volume shooter on absolutely horrendous efficiency, an average defender, average at pretty much everything else. Overall, a marginal not very good player that would only take the ball out of CP3's hands and brick shots all day.

Am I being overly harsh? No.... Last season he scored on 52 TS%, this season 48 TS%.... He dominates the ball more than CP3 too....

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I'd do Bledsoe+Butler for Gay in a heartbeat.

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You say Gay hogs the ball? He's basically a younger Caron.

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Butler never scored 17.6 ppg well below the league average efficiency....

We don't need a high volume scorer who shoots on incredibly low efficiency. We need a player that can spread the floor(on high efficiency) and play decent defense. Gay is average in pretty much every aspect of his game and he gets paid the max for 3 years....

This season he has a pitiful offensive rating of 99 and a TS% of 48%. He makes Westbrook look like Larry Bird with his pitiful scoring efficiency.

He was slightly better last season but still nothing more than above average. There is a reason why Memphis has been looking to get rid of them and there is a reason why they made a deep playoff run when Gay was out.

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^This. Gay is a above average player who's getting star money. Not worth the $.

And trading DJ for Vareajo would have been ok if Vareajo was 28....not now.

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Billups was a high volume shooter too before coming here and toned it down. Trust me... Gay is going to do what it takes to fit in and follow CP3. He's not going to come in here and be a malcontent. He jacks shots in Memphis because they don't have any offense really. I guarantee you with our team he settles down. Gay is a VERY capable defender (about 3 times better than Butler at this point) and scores 18 ppg. Sure not the most efficient but CP3 will boost that efficiency a ton like he does all wing players he plays with.

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^ wrong thread

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Comparing Billups to Gay? Confused

Billups is one of the most efficient PGs of all times in term of scoring due to his elite high volume three point shooting, elite ability to draw fouls, and high basketball iq. Nothing that Gay has. Billups also dominates the ball a lot less than Rudy Gay. Its not a very good comparison.

Its true that Gay is a clear upgrade over Butler but there are other players we can pursue that are not paid the max and are comparable to Gay.... Especially if we are throwing in Bledsoe.

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Memphis wanting to get rid of Gay has to do with money and nothing else. They're going to be paying luxury tax and are trying to get under while still being competitive. The only thing I'd be worried about would be the chemistry with the team. I'd think it would be fine considering Gay and Paul being great friends. Lil Chris refers to Gay as "Uncle Rudy"

Butler and Bledsoe also wouldn't get it done money wise and I'm not sure the Clips have the fillers to throw in to get the deal done.

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All the advance numbers show Gay is a slightly above average.....stay away. Defininately not worth the $.

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/150-rudy-gay

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... yru01.html

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I'll do Gay for Bledsoe+ CB. I've always liked him. Heck i'll even buy his jersey and rock it

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And the fact that the Grizzlies had greater success in the playoffs without Gay than with Gay. Remember how terribly mediocre he was when he faced us? No thanks.

Like I said we don't need a go to player especially not a go to player that is ball dominant and not an efficient scorer.

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Yup.

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We basically need a clone of Matt Barnes.

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Misleading. He plays with Mike Conley not CP3. Gay is only 26 and will have a breakout efficiency year next to CP3+Griffin and I'm 100 percent sure of that. It's a trend if you look at wings who play next to CP3... all of their efficiency soars for the most part.

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Clippersfan86 wrote:
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All the advance numbers show Gay is a slightly above average.....stay away. Defininately not worth the $.

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/150-rudy-gay

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... yru01.html

Misleading. He plays with Mike Conley not CP3. Gay is only 26 and will have a breakout efficiency year next to CP3+Griffin and I'm 100 percent sure of that. It's a trend if you look at wings who play next to CP3... all of their efficiency soars for the most part.

Disagree and so do the all the advanced numbers. Not misleading. If he was getting paid Butler money....maybe. He not worth a penny over 10 mil.

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No offense but do you even know how to use those numbers? They show what a player currently does and did in the past which has a TON to do with who they play with. Has NOTHING to do with projections or anything else. Rudy Gay is a young, very high upside SF who when focused is probably the 3rd or 4th best SF in the entire NBA. At worst he gives you good defense and 15 ppg as a 3rd option. He stops the ball no more than all of our wings outside of CP3.

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There are multiple of recent examples even among our team of players improving next to a pass first PG. Foye had the best shooting year of his career last year next to CP3 for example. Barnes now having his career best shooting efficiency year next to CP3 after playing for 6 other teams. Gay would thrive next to a pass first, dominant PG like CP3. How do I know? Because anybody would.

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too rail thin for the western conference. too injury prone to include ebled in the deal. glad the clips didnt make that deal.

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Yes I known how to use those numbers,lol. Look at the wins produced number, the important one to me. Slightly above average player, period.

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right on

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False.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... era01.html

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No point to keep Bledsoe if VDN is only going to play him 8 minutes. WTF was he thinking tonight?

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Put your money where your mouth is then and prove otherwise. Nash has the same effect if you look at teammates of his throughout his career. They break out next to Nash and falter after playing with him. CP3 has the same effect and it's really not debatable. I just gave you two good examples on the Clippers alone from just these CP3 seasons.

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There are multiple of recent examples even among our team of players improving next to a pass first PG. Foye had the best shooting year of his career last year next to CP3 for example.

False.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... era01.html

Just explained that. More important than just using a stat you don't know how to use quite frankly how do you explain Foye shooting a combined 34 percent from 3 the 3 seasons prior to CP3 then that number immediately being boosted to nearly 39 percent with CP3? That's a MASSIVE difference. If you don't think CP3 makes his teammates better, especially in comparison to a subpar passing PG like Conley... then not much I can say.

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That's the big issue. Bledsoe will be traded, it's just a matter of when. Unless Vinny is willing to start him at SG in the future, which he isn't... we should move him for a quality starting SG or SF who's young. Gordon Hayward is who I'd want.

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And your asking me if I know how read stats, lol. Look at Barnes stats:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... ema02.html

And you didn't explain anything. Look at Foye's shooting numbers:

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/125-randy-foye

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No point to keep Bledsoe if VDN is only going to play him 8 minutes. WTF was he thinking tonight?

That's the big issue. Bledsoe will be traded, it's just a matter of when. Unless Vinny is willing to start him at SG in the future, which he isn't... we should move him for a quality starting SG or SF who's young. Gordon Hayward is who I'd want.

Butler and Bledsoe for Eric Gordon? Depends on what the Hornets plan on doing with Rivers. If he's going to be a SG they could really use Bledsoe.

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Clippersfan86 wrote:
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There are multiple of recent examples even among our team of players improving next to a pass first PG. Foye had the best shooting year of his career last year next to CP3 for example.

False.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... era01.html

Just explained that. More important than just using a stat you don't know how to use quite frankly how do you explain Foye shooting a combined 34 percent from 3 the 3 seasons prior to CP3 then that number immediately being boosted to nearly 39 percent with CP3? That's a MASSIVE difference. If you don't think CP3 makes his teammates better, especially in comparison to a subpar passing PG like Conley... then not much I can say.

Foye is shooting 40% from deep this season though....

CP3 will improve Gay's efficiency but there is a limit.

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Again this is almost sad for me to have to show you simple things. If you're going to try to argue stats, do the research. Barnes is putting up the best TS% and Efg% of his career by a pretty good margin. Even raw numbers he's having easily his best shooting season when you factor in both 2 point and 3 point percentages.

In the one year he shot better from 2 for example, he shot an atrocious percentage from 3. In the one year he shot better from 3, he shot an atrocious percentage from 2. This is the ONLY year of Barnes career where he's shooting well from everywhere and 100 percent of that has to do with CP3+Griffin.

Like I said... I study stats a lot and the context of them so don't come to a gun fight with a knife.

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enough with trade scenarios involving injury prone players. if we are to trade bledsoe, lets trade him for someone who doesnt miss half the season, AFTER cp3 resigns with us. simple as that

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@CPHeliflopter

Foye has been scorching hot this year but it's less than half the way through the season. He's slowly been cooling. Beyond that it's better to use samples of 3 seasons than 1 obviously. Even just watching and not looking at stats you can see how much better looks CP3 gets his teammates. I don't even understand why anybody would argue it.

CP3 won't turn Gay into Lebron but he WILL no doubt get way more open looks than he does now, not to mention get the ball in better positions to begin with. All elite pass first PG's have this effect so not sure why people would argue it.

For example look at Rubio's effect on games for the Wolves. Guys like Derrick Williams actually look like quality NBA players when Rubio is in the lineup.

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Clippersfan86 wrote:
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And your asking me if I know how read stats, lol. Look at Barnes stats:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... ema02.html

And you didn't explain anything.

Again this is almost sad for me to have to show you simple things. If you're going to try to argue stats, do the research. Barnes is putting up the best TS% and Efg% of his career by a pretty good margin. Even raw numbers he's having easily his best shooting season when you factor in both 2 point and 3 point percentages.

In the one year he shot better from 2 for example, he shot an atrocious percentage from 3. In the one year he shot better from 3, he shot an atrocious percentage from 2. This is the ONLY year of Barnes career where he's shooting well from everywhere and 100 percent of that has to do with CP3+Griffin.

Like I said... I study stats a lot and the context of them so don't come to a gun fight with a knife.

Explain Foye than Gun fighter:

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/125-randy-foye

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For the Grizzlies Gay is forced to create for himself nonstop the way Crawford does for us with no playmaker from the bench really. On our team he just needs to finish and hit open shots. Completely different ball game for a player used to having to do WAY more work just to get open.

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