Should Clippers trade for Rudy Gay?

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Hi everyone i just wanted to get your opinions on what you thought about if the clippers tried to trade for Rudy Gay. Normally id say not to think about any trades when we have the best record in the game but Rudy Gay is a really good young player and i think CP could turn him into a Great player.Also Caron is gettin older and wont be with us much longer. If you guys like the trade idea also who would you be willing to give up for him?

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I'd say dont mess with Chemistry.. maybe we can try something over the summer.. but as of right now... Were competing with our guys and I like it. Plus... I dont think Rudy Gay Likes us.

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1st post huh?

CP3Heliflopter
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We already had a topic about this. It would be a waste of money. He is an above average player that gets paid the max. We also don't need high volume scorers and definitely not scorers that score at such a pitiful efficiency.

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Ya the Chemistry would be my concern also. I just think hes a good player and could help us in the playoff on D guarding guys like Kevin Durant or Lebron. But your probably right you dont mess with a team that is leading the leauge.

And ya 1st post. I read this site all the time and figured why not finally join it lol

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No way in Hell

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Nope! Gay is not worth the cap hit. As it is, with BG and CP3's new contracts, we're probably not going to be able to keep all the players we have now without hitting the luxury tax.

Even the Grizz fans think it's time for him to go...No thanks!

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Hell to the no. I'll take any of the SFs we currently have over Gay considering how inflated his contract is. There's a reason Memphis is shopping him around.

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Clippers have no desire to trade anybody. Maybe in the summer 2013.

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What is his contract like? i know he just signed a new one recently but i dont know how much it was

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no $hit.

Stupid thread.

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Just think of a number... and its more than that lol

CP3Heliflopter
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Max. lol

15m-16m.

LOBCITY!!
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The Dud - guess it wasnt stupid enough for you to comment on it...i just wanted opinions on the trade not opinions if you liked my post or not. I thought we were all here to talk clippers not talk $hit

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My opinion is it's stupid to even bring up. I doubt there will be much argument from anybody that has more than 3 posts on their resume.

tense2
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George is a good young player who could get better. One of my favorite sites shows his WP numbers are moving in the right direction and this could be his best year:

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/113-paul-george

Reddick on the other hand is a slightly above average player who's worth is less than the MLE:

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/246-j-j-redick

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There are about $50,000,000 reasons why the Grizz are trying to dump him. He's barely worth half what he's paid. Probably the best amnesty candidate left out there.

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I think Gay is a very good player and is pretty underrated by a lot of people but that contract is a big factor on why I don't think we should trade for him especially since we don't have CP3 resigned yet.

If CP3 made it clear he didn't want to return to the Clippers I would entertain the idea of trading for Gay because a core of Bledsoe,Gay,Blake,and DJ is pretty good to build off but we probably will resign CP3 so we need to save all the money we can and not get locked up with Gay's huge contract.

Plus if we were going to trade for him who would we trade?Butler contract is only 8 Mill,so now we are talking about moving multiple guys which would really hurt our chemistry.I like Gay's game but for the price I would pass.

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The Dud - lol the how many post line huh "I doubt there will be much argument from anybody that has more than 3 posts on their resume." you must be a true keyboard warrior

Everyone else thanks for your opinions on the trade

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Wouldn't quite go that far Cleepers, but your right, he's not worth what he produces on the court. Again, Star money for a above average talent.

The $ amount for a player IMO, must always be figured in your analysis of established player's stats when trading for or signing as a FA. It's a very important "number".

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Its all about fitting.. You know who does? Matt Barnes... Cutting to the basket, Hustling, Playing good defense, and hitting the open 3.

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speaking of matt barnes what do you guys think is going to happen to his min now with Grant back...I really like what Matt Barnes has been doing i hope grant doesnt take his min

tense2
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Now that's great value (bang for the buck) as he was the Lakers. A bad move by our neighbors and good move by us.

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He won't.....unless he gets injured.

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Now that that Clippers have the best record in the NBA, why are people talking about trades? smh

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Our BACK UP SF who costs us less than 1mil is extremely comparable to Rudy Gay.

Barnes plays 26mins per game and Gay plays 36mins per game.

Their numbers are nearly identical except for points scored even though Matt is always a 3rd or 4th option on the offensive end and he plays 10 less minutes. Barnes is much better defensively than Gay and he has been CLUTCH all season. His points and other numbers are extremely meaningful because he makes a lot of plays just when we need them.

The only advantage Gay has is he scores 17ppg and Barnes gets 11ppg. If Barnes got 10 extra minutes he would surely get those points as well as surpassing Gay in every other important statistic.

Barnes is one of the leaders in +- in the whole NBA.

Gay has a 15PER

Barnes has a 19PER

Barnes leads our team and is currently 26th in the league in True Shooting Percentage at 60%. Gay is near the bottom of the entire league with 48%TSP.

Meanwhile Gay has a Usage Rate in the top 25 of the league....So while he's being extremely inefficient offensively, he's also dominating the ball at a very high rate so other, better players don't have an opportunity to score. This is a big reason why Mem. is a low scoring team and a big reason why they want to dump him. It's no coincidence that Mem just hired one of the most respected analysts in the game and the first order of business is get rid of Rudy Gay.

But no stat can define the intangibles and this is Barnes' most valuable attribute. Balls out, smart player. He's a winner. Gay is the opposite. One of the least clutch players in the NBA.

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Can Grant Hill take Ronni's minutes? His play making and defense makes up for ronni's rebounds and blocks right? right? no? yea?

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Hope so. You figure between him Barnes and Caron, they can guard a lot of the starting PF's out there and damn near every back up PF.

As long as he's not giving up too much weight, we should be able to get away with this, especially on the second team where the opposing bigs offensive prowess is not great. If so, Grant is our 10th guy and we'll officially have an entire rotation of starter quality players. Amazing roster.

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TheDude I like Matt Barnes a lot too but he isn't nearly as good as Gay.Mostly all of Barnes scoring comes because he is set up while Gay most of the time has to create his own shot.IMO Gay is a little overpaid but let's not exaggerate he is a very good player and is probably the 2nd best small forward in the western conference below Durant.

Gay plays very good defense and his size and skill on offensive make him very hard to guard.Let's be serious,Barnes gets a lot of open shots because players don't respect his shooting.As much as I like Barnes he isn't on the same level as Gay.

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I know. Huh?

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Do you guys know when Chauncy will be back? What if we start Hill at SF and Caron at SG til Billups comes back

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smh at trade scenarios at this point in time. id love to have reddick, but only if it costs at most a first rd pick. hell no to gay, hes overrated and overpaid. the sf's that would be great to be had cost too much or are out of the question (leonard, george).

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You are severely overrating Gay. As for being the second best SF in the West. Not even close.... This season AK47 is way better. Batum is also better. Heck even Gallo is better. Rudy Gay can create his own shot sure but he still is a terribly inefficient scorer.

Barnes is a much better fit for us. He is not ball dominant and does not need the ball to be effective.

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^ idk if gallo is better than gay, but batum, ak47 are more complete players than gay. in the long run, ill take harrison barnes over gay. barnes is a stud.

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No!

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No

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There are no players on our team that Memphis would take in a fair deal. Who are we going to give them? Odom's horrible contract, Bledsoe and a couple draft picks? Gay makes like 9-13 million dollars a year. He's a great player but Memphis has no needs for what we can offer.

My guess is they go out and try to get a SG so they can move Tony Allen to the 3.

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^he is making 37.5 million in the last two years. if he was making 9-13 million per year, i doubt the grizzlies trade him.

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Be honest... how many of you have watched Rudy Gay besides Clippers games? I agree totally that he's way overpaid but Bledsoe+Butler+a pick for example for Gay is fair. Gay is a proven NBA starter and when playing well is easily a top 3 SF right there with Lebron and Pierce. Bledsoe as you all know is my guy and I love him to bits. That being said he has no future on this team and even CP3 came out and said Bledsoe needs his own team.

Why not get a 26 year old SF who still has some upside, is already a borderline all star and is a PERFECT 3rd option who plays defense? I predict a break out efficiency year with the Clippers due to the attention Blake and CP3 draw. A 3 headed monster of CP3, Gay and Griffin sounds MONSTROUS. Not to mention Gay loves to run the break and is one of the best dunkers in the NBA so he will find a nice home in Lob Angeles.

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@sam_amick: The newest one worth watching in Rudy Gay situation: the Clippers - http://t.co/SIN0bwJQ

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Gay is not a little overpaid, he's a lot over paid. Barnes is a much more productive player for the $ and it's not even close.

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You wish he made 9-13 mil a year....this year it's 16+mil, 13/14 17+mil and 14/15 its 19+ mil. Way, way over paid for what he produces. Memphis would love to find a taker for him.

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Bull, Reddick is a FA next year, I would maybe trade a 2nd rounder for him, lol.

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Not sure why the Clips would even make any trades at this point of the season considering how well things are going. I do think that Rudy would be a whole lot better player playing with someone like CP3 but as others have mentioned, his contract is terrible. They haven't even locked up CP3 long term so taking in Rudy's contract would put this team at or above the luxury tax. It would make it hard to re-sign some of the key bench players if you have 3 starters making max money. Plus, who would be the back up point guard if you trade Bledsoe? Can't take a chance with Chauncey as the only other point guard on the team.

While Rudy Gay on this team is intriguing, I would stick with the team as is. No point of messing up a good thing at this point.

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Gay is overpaid but remember... Butler is COMPLETE dead weight for half the salary. I'd rather pay twice as much for my SF but have him produce twice as much. Gay is also 26 and will have the best years of his career next to CP3.

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A. Butler maybe dead weight, but Gay won't produce twice as much as Butler

B. He'll put a strangle hold finically on the team on what they can do to acquiring a supporting cast going forward the next 2 years.

C. You'll wish you had Butler back, LOL.

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Gay produces literally about double what Butler does, I wasn't trying to be a smart ass. 18 ppg vs 10 ppg. 6 rpg vs 3 rpg. This doesn't account for the fact that Gay is a slightly above average defender this year, Butler is an ATROCIOUS one. I understand this isn't on a per minute basis but still Gay is WAY better. This trade is basically Gay for Bledsoe which isn't as lopsided as some of you are making it out to be. It's actually a fair offer on both sides and Memphis is giving us a cap dump on the dead weight Butler.

Beyond this, the team would have no cap flexibility but that's not important when you have a core of....

24 year old Griffin

26 year old Paul

24 year old Jordan

26 year old Gay

Basically outside of SG which will be filled by Billups/Crawford next couple years... the core is set for about a decade if it works out.

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I'd rather trade Butler and Bledsoe for Eric Gordon. Contract is much friendlier, plays defense, and gets to the foul line at will. People in the know think Gordon will be made available before the trade deadline.

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Hooch no way in hell Bledsoe gets Gordon. Gordon's value is much higher than Gay's due to a much smaller salary and more upside. Yes he's injury prone but every team wants Gordon, not as many teams want Gay.

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"not as many teams want Gay"...Thank you....you said it not me. I wonder why.

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