What is with Blake's plummeting rebound numbers?

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ClippersDA
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This is for me the biggest disappointment of the season thus far

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He is playing limited minutes and we are winning. Who cares about his rebounds, unless of course you got him on your Fantasy team

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BG is also playing smaller this season. He's also playing the lanes more that have netted a lot of points off steals. Plus, he had to guard 2 good 3pt shooters (Delfino-Parsons) most of the game today.

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His rebounds are down, but his wins are way up. Personally, I don't understand how anyone can be disappointed about ANYTHING so far this season.

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We are making our shots more, it was easy for him to get a rebound when Davis and Mo would just chuck up terrible shots.

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I'm complaining because I think BG and DJ can be dominant rebounders and it just seems odd that they are such a mon factor on the boards, especially as it is something BG has always been good at.

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DJ is a good rebounder I would say, 7 rebounds in 24 minutes a game is above average.

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We are getting wins because we lead the league in forcing turnovers (a mixture of us playing great D and our opponents making silly mistakes). That is our defense. But what's gonna happen when we aren't forcing turnovers? Our rebounding has a lot of room to improve and that starts with DJ and Blake. We are 11th in the league in rebounding differential with only +1.4. That is pathetic for an elite team. So I guess it's not just Blake and DJ's less minutes this season that are affecting their rebounding numbers. It's their lack of effort to box out. Let's hope they start grabbing boards heading into the playoffs. Rebounding is very crucial in the playoffs. We can't force turnovers every time.

Bottom line is we can't make excuses for Blake and DJ because they are playing less minutes. It's not like Odom and Turiaf are taking rebounds away from them. We are 16th in the league in rebounds per game. What's the excuse for that?

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Deep team less = less of a need to rely on him

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one word: minutes

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We're also 4th in the league in FG% at 48%... there are fewer rebounds to be had.

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cleepers wrote:
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We are getting wins because we lead the league in forcing turnovers (a mixture of us playing great D and our opponents making silly mistakes). That is our defense. But what's gonna happen when we aren't forcing turnovers? Our rebounding has a lot of room to improve and that starts with DJ and Blake. We are 11th in the league in rebounding differential with only +1.4. That is pathetic for an elite team. So I guess it's not just Blake and DJ's less minutes this season that are affecting their rebounding numbers. It's their lack of effort to box out. Let's hope they start grabbing boards heading into the playoffs. Rebounding is very crucial in the playoffs. We can't force turnovers every time.

Bottom line is we can't make excuses for Blake and DJ because they are playing less minutes. It's not like Odom and Turiaf are taking rebounds away from them. We are 16th in the league in rebounds per game. What's the excuse for that?

We're also 4th in the league in FG% at 48%... there are fewer rebounds to be had.

Thunder are in the top 5 in both FG% and rebounding differential.

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Grillinnap wrote:
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We're also 4th in the league in FG% at 48%... there are fewer rebounds to be had.

Thunder are both in the top 5 in FG% (actually number 1) and rebounding differential.

And they turn it over a lot, where we force turnovers... what you lose on the swings, you gain on the roundabouts (old English proverb).

Sure we can do better, but the team stats are way more important than any individual's numbers. I'm with you there.

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Also cleepers, OKC is in the bottom half of the league in forcing turnovers, so that is where they don't excel. I know you can't be great at everything, but I will have a lot more trust in our team in the playoffs if they can improve team rebounding. I don't know the exact stats, but we are probably among the leaders in second chance points per game against.

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Every team has weaknesses. The best thing we can do is to improve on those weaknesses or make our strengths so great that our weaknesses don't matter as much. We are great defensively and at forcing turnovers and we are a great offensive team so its ok to have a weakness.

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He was guarding Parson, who is a stretch 4. Its hard to grab rebounds when you're guarding stretch 4s because you're away from the basket.

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I think we agree that it's definitely an area that we should be focusing on, but if we can make up those extra possessions with our steals and such, we'll be OK. We're also top-3 in FG% defensively, so those extra possessions don't hurt us as much as they would other teams.

If possessions are even, we always have a shot to win.

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thats why klove gets a lot of boards, because the twolves miss a lot of shots.

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When I see we're losing CRITICAL rebounds, I'll be worried about Blake's numbers.

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Blake has been complaining a lot more the last week or so and I think it affects his performance more than he would like to admit! I'm not sure why he needs to voice every time he thinks he's been wronged, if he could ever get over this he could be much better at the little things.

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Why oh why are people complaining about stuff that's irrelevant.... we got 30 wins celebrate don't make some random negative post

Voyeur
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Yeah, this is retarded. Who was complaining when BG was putting together an amazing string of excellent games and his first Western Conference Player of the Week ever during our undefeated December? Some games are going to be huge, some are going to be modest. It looks like he's doing what it takes to win right now.

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He didn't get the reb's tonight, but he led the team with 8 assists. I'll take that and a win anytime.

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Blake, DJ, pretty much the whole team doesn't rebound. We get killed on the offensive boards all the time.

It's all good now cause we're winning, but we gotta clean it up. Come playoffs, we can't give away second chance points or we're not going far. Defensive rebounds is just as good as steals and blocks that lead to fastbreaks.

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This is ridiculous I know it has nothing to do with the tread but laker fans are fuckin killing me, they won tonight and they started tagging me with pictures on instagram then I went right back at them and of course they commented on my pics bringing their stupid dusty banners if u guys wanna see and welcome to comment cause a lot of my friends aren't clipper fans @omaar61 I need some backup hahaha I would make a tread about it but idk how :\

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Don't think it's a problem. Last year (as with this year) both Miami,OKC and SA were all ranked middle of the pack or lower in total Rebs and in OFF.Rebs.

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Limited minutes. I think he's only playing around 32 a game, down from his normal 35-36 a game

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Because DJ and Blake don't box out.Watching the games against the Warriors,Grizzlies,Jazz,and Nuggets you see how they get a lot of second chance points against us off offensive rebounds.I know we are winning but you still need to try to fix any problems your team is having before opponents start exploiting them and rebounding has been one of our biggest weaknesses this season that could really hurt us going forward.Especially since all the teams we struggled rebounding against are in the western conference and we likely see one or two of these teams in the playoffs.

Blake and DJ can out jump most opponents but they need to learn that just because you out jump someone doesn't mean your going to get the rebound.ZBO and David Lee are 2 of the top rebounders right now and they barely get off the ground.The reason is timing,positioning,and they box out.The coaching staff should have them work on this before it starts to hurt us.Odom has been great with his rebounding and should work with them on this.

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I had this same conversation with a fellow clippers fan in another forum. 2 big reasons for his rebounds going down: Higher team field goal % which equals less offensive rebounds than we're used to and Less Minutes which leads to lower numbers overall. If you check his per 36 he's averaging 20/10 so he's not doing too bad in that regard, though I still think he could and should be a more dominant rebounding force.

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he is playing less minutes and he still wants to get his scoring numbers so he is more focused on that and playing solid d then rebounding. simple as that. if he was playing more minutes, he wouldnt have to focus his energy so much on scoring and he could box out and sky up for more rebounds. he is not bad at rebounding and we are winning almost every game. there is no problem here.

tense2
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PER36 mins shows he's down about 1.5 rebs from last year. He's been dropping off steady from his 1st year in the league. No big deal IMO, and as CJ noted above, he's playing smaller and the lanes more (look at his stl number this year)...plus he's improved in other areas.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... fbl01.html

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If we take a look at BG this season....

  • better free throw shooting %

  • better defense

  • better at the passing lanes(more stls)

  • better jump shot

  • better overall efficiency due to free throw shooting improvement

  • regression on rebounds(only offensive rebounds) which is partially due to higher team efficiency. His increase in steals pretty much negates this.

  • draws a lot fewer fts(probably due to relying a lot more on his jumper)

  • overly reliant on jumper(seems to be working more in the post now)

He is still trying to figure out when to use his jumper and when to work in the post.

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^ Some very good points

ClipsGForce
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Great analysis. Yes, maybe Blake rebound is down but he's exerting so much energy on everything else that it's working and we're getting winning. The only person you should also yell for rebound is Deandre Jordan. Box out Jordan!

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i agree to a certain extent. cant box out when u are constantly getting shoved out of the way blatantly and the refs dont call anything. lee, randolph and love engage in blatant shoving and holding but since they got a rep for being great rebounders, they get away with so much. watch a clips game, and u will see that when dj and bg box out, they have to contend with getting shoved in the back or having their arms pulled. do i agree with the fact they need to learn to box out better? yes. do i feel they get pulled and shoved blatantly without anything getting called? without question.

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There are a couple of reasons why his rebounding is down. One, DJ/Odom and our guards are doing a much better job of crashing the boards, which limits Blake's opportunities. Two, he is playing more on the perimeter in the passing lanes, looking for steals and break-out dunks. Three, he is not crashing the offensive glass because he is expecting our guys to make shots (and generally that is the case). Four, in my opinion, Blake realizes that rebounding was really taking a pounding on his body over the course of the season - especially with guys like Randolph slamming into his back on every play. As a result, I think he is really pacing himself on that front but will come back to rebound with a vengeance in the playoffs - particularly on the offensive glass.

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All true, I also think it has something to do with a renewed commitment to team defense from everybody but Blake being one of the most improved. We have so many versatile guys, Blake included, that we switch on picks a lot more this season. This invariably takes Blake out of the lane a lot more than last year.

Also, Blake is just a guy who is all about winning and doesn't give a $hit about his own numbers. He'll never fight a teammate for a rebound. If Turiaf/Lamar/Whoever has position, he lets them have it.

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My thing is, Tim Duncan is 10+ years older, and playing less minutes than Blake, but he's grabbing almost 2 more rebounds per game than BG. I know TD is the Greatest PF of all time and all but when you look at those numbers, it becomes clear that there's something fundamentally wrong with the way Blake is approaching the whole rebounding situation.

There's no excuse for these stats, because TD's team shoots an even higher FG % than we do, and allow opponents a higher FG% than us as well. Not to mention there are plays I see where Blake simply gets out rebounded by somebody who either has better position, or simply fights harder for the board. This all points to a lack of effort in that aspect of his game. At least from what I've seen.

I mean 4 rebounds against the twolves is pathetic. i don't care what anybody says.

Once we get to the Playoffs, we'll be going against teams with very strong rebounding frontlines: Spurs, Grizzlies, Blazers, Warriors, Rockets, etc. Out of all the potential playoff teams in the West, we'll be the worst rebounding team in the West.

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he doesn't box out, it's as simple as that. I'm sure the coaches have told him to, he's just too stubborn. Remember how they BARELY got him to change his free throw shooting?

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Duncan is averaging 1.5 more rebounds than Griffin but Griffin's team has a 1.5 game lead on Duncan's team. Duncan isn't considered the Greatest PF ever because he averages 11 rebounds a game throughout his career, No it's because he's brought Championships to a franchise that has never had any. How bout Blake models his game after that?

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Duncan was able to win those championships because he dominated the game of basketball on BOTH ends of the floor from the moment he came into the league. Blake isn't dominating either side of the court. He's Very good, not great on one end, and he's decent though getting better on the other end. Bottomline, he's not dominating like we all know he can and should. That's what Sir Charles has been saying, and that's what i'm saying right now.

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The league is different now, teams don't need an inside presence to win Championships anymore. The Heat basically had no center when they won and Bosh was not a rebound machine even in the slightest. We are a run n' gun team with great defense. The Spurs were and are slow and lethargic while being fundamentally sound. The league is changing before our eyes and Griffin is the new mold of how a PF needs to play with a great team.

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If an inside presence isn't necessary to win a championship, then why don't we trade BG for a great shooting guard or small forward. Maybe BG for Melo? BG for James Harden??

Not to mention LeBron played Power forward and Chris Bosh was switched to Center during last years conference finals and finals which played a huge part in why the Heat dominated the Thunder the way they did.

Either way, in order to be a great team, and in order to be considered a Great player, you need to Dominate, and BG isn't doing that. Yes, we're winning right now in the regular season, but that means very little when it comes to the playoffs.

I HIGHLY doubt we'll get very far in the playoffs giving up the number of offensive rebounds that we do in the playoffs.We might get away with it against a team like the Grizzlies, who aren't that efficient offensively but we're definitely not going to get away with it against teams like the Spurs and the Thunder who will ABSOLUTELY make us pay for giving them second chances on offense.

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The guy looked like he was going to be one of the best Rebounders in the league when he first came in the league, but as it stands right now, he's only the second, maybe 3rd best rebounder on our team. You can make whatever excuses you want to make for him but from what I've seen so far, the effort just isn't there in that regard.

Somebody posted a 25 minute video of BG highlights from mostly his rookie season. If you watch that video, you can see the vast difference in his game then from now. Half of that video is him outfighting people for position for tip jams and put backs. He was a true beast just going through opponents. Now he's so soft. It saddens me =(

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Bledsoe's minutes are up and Blake can't out jump Eric.

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Keatonsays wrote:
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The league is different now, teams don't need an inside presence to win Championships anymore. The Heat basically had no center when they won and Bosh was not a rebound machine even in the slightest. We are a run n' gun team with great defense. The Spurs were and are slow and lethargic while being fundamentally sound. The league is changing before our eyes and Griffin is the new mold of how a PF needs to play with a great team.

If an inside presence isn't necessary to win a championship, then why don't we trade BG for a great shooting guard or small forward. Maybe BG for Melo? BG for James Harden??

Not to mention LeBron played Power forward and Chris Bosh was switched to Center during last years conference finals and finals which played a huge part in why the Heat dominated the Thunder the way they did.

Either way, in order to be a great team, and in order to be considered a Great player, you need to Dominate, and BG isn't doing that. Yes, we're winning right now in the regular season, but that means very little when it comes to the playoffs.

I HIGHLY doubt we'll get very far in the playoffs giving up the number of offensive rebounds that we do in the playoffs.We might get away with it against a team like the Grizzlies, who aren't that efficient offensively but we're definitely not going to get away with it against teams like the Spurs and the Thunder who will ABSOLUTELY make us pay for giving them second chances on offense.

You kinda proved my point about Miami, if it was 1999 and the Heat tried to put Bosh at Center he would have gotten eatin' alive by even average Centers. The current state of the league is a PG driven league and Championship PF's like Dirk and Bosh don't need to rebound like in the past, Griffin also will rise to the occasion during the playoffs when every possession matters, you won't see him lazily boxing out.

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The league isn't defined by a single position, each team has their own strengths and weaknesses and i'm saying that our weakness is rebounding.

And the idea that he'll "rise to the occasion" is just wishful thinking. He averaged something like 7 rebounds in the playoffs last year, and had a game against the Spurs where he only grabbed 1 rebound.

During the regular season he averaged 11 rebounds per game but for some reason he couldn't grab a board in the PO's. My guess is because he was going up against players who were simply better rebounders because they worked harder on the boards (Randolph) and had better fundamentals in boxing out (Duncan).

Stop making excuse for him to not rebound. It's something he has to improve on if he's going to take his game to the next level. Plain & simple.

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