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"Paul plays for the Clippers, an organization that wasn't considered a favorite until this year. He led them on a 17-game winning streak that stamped the Clips as championship favorites. There was no time to prepare.

He has a chance to survive this, a chance to avoid the trial-by-fire championship-expectations burns that scorched the overwhelming majority of us the first time we confronted them. I'd say he has a chance. Here is why:"

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Well one thing is really obvious to any thinking person,,,we have as good a chance as anyone and we can beat anyone in the west. By that I do not mean we are infallible and can go undefeated, what I mean is we are as good as any other contender and have just as good of a chance now,,and the best as Clippers we have ever had.

4-1 for us winning are the odds in Vegas right now.

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Zeke wrote he doesn't believe that any Clipper believed they'd be contending for a title at the beginning of the season... I think he must have been sleeppin on us because this team knew!

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Zeke is a douchebag through and through and almost everybody that ever played with or against him hated him. I mean in this article he says a bunch of subtle things like "Chris Paul is one of the better PG's". It's like no douche, HE IS the best and everybody in the NBA including players has been saying it. He's an amateur analysts and writer TBH.

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Why wouldn't anybody in our locker room think of a championship before the season got going? In fact all of them WERE talking about a championship LOL. Just look at the talent on the roster man.

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Isiah wrote this! One tough pg to another.

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I think this tells you all you need to know about Isiah Thomas.

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It was obvious to me the Clippers were serious about winning a championship once we signed Ronnie Turiaf. Stacking up on big men showed that we were preparing for a deep playoff run this season. Then bringing in Matt Barnes was the icing on the cake. I don't see how it was possible for anybody to look at this Clippers roster at the beginning of the season, and not think they were one of the top 5 teams in the league.

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Wow Heliflopter. He's always been labeled as a prick by peers. Jordan got him frozen out of the Dream Team which he deserved. He was actually the main guy that was such a hater on rookie Jordan's success that he infamously froze Jordan out at the all star game and refused to pass him the ball. Jordan made him and the Pistons his bitch eventually though so he got what was coming.

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To be honest Isiah is probably the most overrated PG of all time. A pretty inefficient scorer throughout his career, very short lived peak, average defender at best, and turnover prone.

Paul is literally Isiah on steroids just without the great supporting cast. The Pistons offense was pretty sub-par during their years of contention since Isiah was never a very efficient scorer. They won through the toughness of their defense. Isiah got way too much credit.

Yea I might be a bit biased since Isiah is a sexist, racist POS and because he destroyed the Knicks franchise but everything I said is true for the most part. He should never be mentioned with the likes of MJ, Magic, Bird because he was a tier or two below.

Enough derailing I guess. To me this is just a no duh article. We are a legit contender so of course there should be great expectations of Paul to lead the Clippers to the promised land.

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People are missing the forest for the trees. This was a great article with some hyperbolic statements to make the point about how CP3 is finally on a team that can actually win it all. Thomas is basically saying his time has arrived just like all the greats that finally won that came before him. Why has this turned into a Thomas thumping for? This isn't about Thomas.

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Joe like I said.... it's insulting for him to act like the 17 game win streak gave us title hopes and before that NOBODY on the team expected a title he boldly proclaimed. Basically it's just an ignorant piece written by an ignorant person TBH. Almost sounds like a personal blog rather than an interesting or informative article.

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Dude, you read that wrong:

"Paul plays for the Clippers, an organization that wasn't considered a favorite until this year. He led them on a 17-game winning streak that stamped the Clips as championship favorites."

Are we really the favorites to win it all? I don't think we're favorites at all so I consider that a compliment, not an insult.

" I don't believe at the start of the season there was a person playing in a Clippers uniform or a member of their management team that actually believed the Clippers could win it all this year. "

Is he "boldly proclaiming" or was he stating his opinion? Was he also exaggerating to make his point more dramatic?

Missing the Forrest for the trees...

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Every Clippers player talked about championship expectations before the season started. Even some analysts had us coming out of the west. In other words his opinion was ignorant considering how strong he was with it.

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BG and Cp3 never said anything about winning a championship prior to the season. And I doubt that they have uttered that word this season. Who are you specifically talking about?

As far as analysts go, didn't they all have the Thunder and Lakers as favorites? Aren't we now considered real contenders after the winning streak and ability to stay in the top 2 seeds? I'll take an ignorant HOF's opinion over anyone here...Including myself.

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I could be wrong but I don't really remember that actually. Players weren't expecting a championship. Even if they did, like most smart players would, they didn't talk about it that much.

Just because you have talent on your team, doesn't mean you will automatically contend for a championship. I think our players, as well as most fans, knew before the season that they would have to get some games under their belt and build some chemistry before realistically expecting to contend for a championship.

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I respectfully disagree. Well I doubt these players thought they WOULD win the championship they did say that was the teams expectation. Why would they talk about championship expectations in interviews otherwise? Makes no sense. All free agent additions especially such as Hill, Turiaf, Crawford, Barnes, Odom (after trade) said this team was their best shot at a championship (or another one in some of their cases).

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Question: Is it offensive for me (a white male) to call Isiah Thomas (a black male) a b*tch?

After seeing that video, I think not.

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Seems like CP3 though Thomas did a good job with the story:

Chris Paul @CP3

Big thanks to @iamisiahthomas for the great story!!! #Legend

about 1 hour ago

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I think scum would be a better word for him. MSG sexual harassment case, blaming his daughter for his suicide attempt, I can go on.

As for whether our players had championship expectations. I can tell you with a great deal of certainty that CP3 had championship expectations from the beginning though he might not openly admit it. FAs that came here also talked about how it would be their best chance to win a chip.

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Odom told Lawler in the interview in China that this team is a title contender.

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I think some of the guys here are looking at this from the standpoint of how they feel about Thomas personally as opposed to the credintials that he has to confirm the Clips are title contenders.

Sure his past actions do confirm that he's a scetchy individual personnally, but what does that have to do with him being qualified to write an article about the Clips?

Clipfan86, I believe above stated (or someone else) he was overatted. He was an All-star 12 out of 13 years, won back to back titles, 2 NBA MVP's and a Finals MVP.You cannot call that overrated. Even past his playing ability, he still became an exec. coach etc. Outside of James Dolan, he held prominant positions with the Pacers and Raptors (and outside of what transpired here in NY) and did a decent job in those stints.

To say he somehow was sideswiping the Clips or his opinion doesn't hold water makes guys sound like the people who were saying saying Bill Clinton was not qualified to be President since he got head in the White House. Just Silly.

I believe he was actually saying that he see's CP3 in more of a position like Magic, in that he very well may not have to go through the losing in big games prior to winning a ring. Stating that he has figured it out from the neck up that most in the NBA never do.

Bottom line, is Isiah an A-hole? Probably. Is he though, as a HOF player who without question is one of the best PG's of all-time, who has held exec. positions along with being a coach on various teams, qualified to write that article? Absolutely.

To actually read that whole article and only come away with he didn't believe the Clips FO nor players thought they could win it all at the beginning of the season is clearly a sign of guys being emotional.C'mon fellas, we're bigger than that.

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Thank you!

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Just truth and facts Joe. No thanks needed.

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I can't remember about whether any Clippers' said anything about Championships in preseason, but looking at ESPN's analysts predictions of who would come out of the West makes me smile.

http://espn.go.com/nba/preview2012/stor ... e-champion

(If you don't want to click the link, this was the breakdown: Lakers (25), Thunder (9), Spurs (1))

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Chris Paul wasn't offended by the article - he tweeted about it

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That link puts a huge smile on my face. Nobody picked our Clippers but who cares what those idiots have to say, look at us NOW! We run the WEST!

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KezmicClipper wrote:
Clippersfan86 wrote:
Every Clippers player talked about championship expectations before the season started. Even some analysts had us coming out of the west. In other words his opinion was ignorant considering how strong he was with it.

I can't remember about whether any Clippers' said anything about Championships in preseason, but looking at ESPN's analysts predictions of who would come out of the West makes me smile.

http://espn.go.com/nba/preview2012/stor ... e-champion

(If you don't want to click the link, this was the breakdown: Lakers (25), Thunder (9), Spurs (1))

I remember seeing that and thinking the Lakers are going to be a midling playoff seed not a championship contender. lol

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Wait, Isiah Thomas exaggerated in his article to make it more interesting to read and had a preconceived notion of a team? Whoa that's the 1st time any columnist has ever done that in the history of sports writing. LOL

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That wasn't me who called him overrated. He's probably a top 5 PG all time. That being said he's clueless about the Clippers, their expectations and the flow of this team and that's what I'm calling him out for. When I read articles like this it becomes clear whether or not somebody actually keeps up on a team or not and Isiah clearly doesn't keep up with the Clippers.

All summer long guys were talking about championship goals. Yet according to Isiah NOBODY in the locker room would have even thought about a championship until the 17 game win streak? Bottom line is he's wrong. Pretty much everybody who has joined said they joined because they think the Clippers have a great shot at the title and it was the best shot they will EVER have at a title (few guys said this).

Then you have Blake and CP3 agreeing that the team had the talent to win it all, although they never flat out said it like the role players have.

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Clippersfan86 wrote:
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I think some of the guys here are looking at this from the standpoint of how they feel about Thomas personally as opposed to the credintials that he has to confirm the Clips are title contenders.

Sure his past actions do confirm that he's a scetchy individual personnally, but what does that have to do with him being qualified to write an article about the Clips?

Clipfan86, I believe above stated (or someone else) he was overatted. He was an All-star 12 out of 13 years, won back to back titles, 2 NBA MVP's and a Finals MVP.You cannot call that overrated. Even past his playing ability, he still became an exec. coach etc. Outside of James Dolan, he held prominant positions with the Pacers and Raptors (and outside of what transpired here in NY) and did a decent job in those stints.

To say he somehow was sideswiping the Clips or his opinion doesn't hold water makes guys sound like the people who were saying saying Bill Clinton was not qualified to be President since he got head in the White House. Just Silly.

I believe he was actually saying that he see's CP3 in more of a position like Magic, in that he very well may not have to go through the losing in big games prior to winning a ring. Stating that he has figured it out from the neck up that most in the NBA never do.

Bottom line, is Isiah an A-hole? Probably. Is he though, as a HOF player who without question is one of the best PG's of all-time, who has held exec. positions along with being a coach on various teams, qualified to write that article? Absolutely.

To actually read that whole article and only come away with he didn't believe the Clips FO nor players thought they could win it all at the beginning of the season is clearly a sign of guys being emotional.C'mon fellas, we're bigger than that.

That wasn't me who called him overrated. He's probably a top 5 PG all time. That being said he's clueless about the Clippers, their expectations and the flow of this team and that's what I'm calling him out for. When I read articles like this it becomes clear whether or not somebody actually keeps up on a team or not and Isiah clearly doesn't keep up with the Clippers.

All summer long guys were talking about championship goals. Yet according to Isiah NOBODY in the locker room would have even thought about a championship until the 17 game win streak? Bottom line is he's wrong. Pretty much everybody who has joined said they joined because they think the Clippers have a great shot at the title and it was the best shot they will EVER have at a title (few guys said this).

Then you have Blake and CP3 agreeing that the team had the talent to win it all, although they never flat out said it like the role players have.

First I want to say that I do like and appreciate a lot of what you say on here and love the passion you show for this team.And I apologize for stating you in regard to the statement. And I'm not going to disagree with you in regard to Isiah not knowing the character of the guys on the team nor whether or not they spoke of winning it all over the course of the summer. Yet I think Isiah was moreso focused on CP3.

I also believe that Isiah knows more about CP3 as a player and a PG than any of us. You have to also look at what he said stood out to him from Darryl Walker (childhood freind who was a PG and a head coach in the league) CP3 has it!

I think this was more about CP3 being always a step or three ahead of everyone else in the league and the effect it has not only on his team but the other 5 guys on the floor( the other team). Could just be one of those things where whatever it is Isiah,Magic and CP3 have it whereas none of us do and therefore cannot completely comprehend it

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I agree what he said about CP3 specifically is correct. Just feels like it's leaning into the CP3 turned around a sorry franchise by himself talk, which is wrong and I'm sick of people saying it. Chris Paul put this team over the top but Griffin got the ball rolling for the turnaround and all the huge free agent additions had a HUGE part in it as well.

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I feel ya, but I think he was looking at it more from a standpoint of understanding the responsibilities of being a great PG and from his observation, the gift that CP3 has not only makes us better, but the effect he has on the game overall.

CP3 is a very very special player, and we all know that. But I think Isiah knows the position intimately and I think he believes what he knows and sees in CP3 will do just what you said. Take us over the top. Straight to a title.

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They need to cut all this talk out. We haven't even been to a Conference Finals yet. If we make it there AT THE LEAST, this season is a success.

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Blake open the door and Paul is redesigning the house. IMO, without Paul we do not sign Billups, Crawford, Hill or Barnes and Bledsoe's not doing what he's doing now...that's what a top 5 NBA player does for a franchise. I think this what Thomas was alluding to.

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^ We actually got Billups before Paul, but yeah, it was off amnesty and not his willing choice if you meant about him re-signing this year.

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Without Blake CP3 doesn't even consider coming here. Players wanted to come play with Blake.

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Being traded here is different then wanting to come here as a FA, IMO.

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We claimed Billups after the 1st trade for CP fell through. I think he signed with us after the second trade for Paul was successful....not sure though. Anyway you get what I mean about Chris.

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Chris Paul had a "wish list" with the two LA teams at the top. His main reason for even considering the Clippers was Blake. In fact in Blake's rookie year Paul lavished praise on Blake during an all star segment.

Blake got the ball rolling and deserves just as much credit for the turnaround as CP3 IMO. Clippers now have 3 consecutive road blowout wins without CP3. So the notion that CP3 made this team or IS this team like idiot Barkley reiterated tonight is completely off base and WRONG.

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Clippersfan86 wrote:
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Being traded here is different then wanting to come here as a FA, IMO.

Chris Paul had a "wish list" with the two LA teams at the top. His main reason for even considering the Clippers was Blake. In fact in Blake's rookie year Paul lavished praise on Blake during an all star segment.

Blake got the ball rolling and deserves just as much credit for the turnaround as CP3 IMO. Clippers now have 3 consecutive road blowout wins without CP3. So the notion that CP3 made this team or IS this team like idiot Barkley reiterated tonight is completely off base and WRONG.

Like I said, Blake opened the door and Paul is redesigning the house. That's my mind set and if yours is something different....to each his own. However one see it, it's a great time in Clipper history.

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If Cp3 didn't come here this team would have been in very bad shape last season even if Eric Gordon was healthy.

The Clippers would have been an 8th seed team at best or a team that just misses the playoffs.

If Eric Gordon was not healthy the Clippers would be a lottery team.

Then the following season no FA would even want to come to the Clippers which had a bad reputation to begin with unless they were overpaid like Butler.

Maybe we would have gotten Odom but who knows if he would be happy.

No Barnes, no Hill, no Crawford. The Clippers would also have to decide whether they sign Eric Gordon to the max or let him go for nothing.

Were not even talking about strict impact on the court(and CP3 is a top 3 player). Were talking about a culture change.

I could tell you one thing if CP3 didn't come here who knows if BG would even want to stay on a team that would not make a deep playoff run.

Yep I don't think you realize how bad things could have potentially been.

Also you can't talk about how good the team looks without Paul when we wouldn't even have this good of a team without him to begin with. With Paul its not simply on court production because he hand picked or played a huge role in bringing a lot of the players here.

Overall, I think Cp3 deserves all the credit he is getting. He has done just as much off the court as he has on the court which is impressive to say the least and he has served as a good mentor for Bledsoe who is improving a lot as a PG.

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This.

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CP3 deserves a TON of credit... people just need to stop disrespecting his teammates, primarily Blake in the process. CP3 needs Blake just as much as Blake needs CP3 unless CP3 wants to spend the rest of his career continuing first round exits like he had in New Orleans.

When people talk about the turnaround the ONLY person they give credit to is CP3 and that's where my issue lies.

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