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Post Subject: DeAndre Jordan Performance Discussion Thread Post ID: 345255by CP3Best » Jan 21, 2013 - 09:07 PM PST
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He sucks, BAD! Getting paid 10 mil a year to sit on his lazy a** and deliver 0-2 from the free throw line, is a liability on defense, and hasn't improved at all since... Bad thing is I don't think anyone wants to trade for a big guy that can't do much,except probably the Celtics, they need an inside presence, but they don't have to much to offer for him. He's playing like a bench C at Best. Thoughts?



                
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Post Subject: RE: Where's Our Center? Post ID: 345256by Clippersfan86 » Jan 21, 2013 - 09:09 PM PST
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Correction... about 11 mill a year.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Where's Our Center? Post ID: 345259by vltor711 » Jan 21, 2013 - 09:20 PM PST
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They should give DJ a towel on every timeout to get rid of the Butter from his fingers.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Where's Our Center? Post ID: 345260by clipper321 » Jan 21, 2013 - 09:21 PM PST
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Deandre and Bledsoe for pau gasol? Maybe he just needs a change of scrnary

                
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Post Subject: RE: Where's Our Center? Post ID: 345261by CP3Heliflopter » Jan 21, 2013 - 09:21 PM PST
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Now that I think about it we overpaid for him because of the GSWs. I hate them even more.... Its a shame but we did match their offer. DJ has been a disappointment. He has not made any notable strides since his rookie year and his FT shooting has regressed big time.

No way would we help out the Lakers. Pau has regressed hard.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Where's Our Center? Post ID: 345262by Clippersfan86 » Jan 21, 2013 - 09:23 PM PST
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His defense has regressed more. Remember 2010-2011 when he was thrust into a starting role with Kaman down? He looked like a LEGIT defensive anchor that had some serious games of domination. Now he got paid and is a worse player in every way for 10 times the price. If the Clippers are smart they will package him with Bledsoe this summer and bring in a SG or SF of the future AND a veteran center who can actually play defense and hit free throws. I'd love something like Deng and Noah for these two but no way in hell we can get that.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Where's Our Center? Post ID: 345263by CP3Heliflopter » Jan 21, 2013 - 09:27 PM PST
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I guess DJ is just a low bball iq player. I am not sure if he can even get much better at this point. It has taken him five years to even reach this point....

                
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Post ID: 345264by Mistwell » Jan 21, 2013 - 09:32 PM PST
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How about just Jordan for Gasol straight-up?

                
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Post ID: 345265by Hooch20 » Jan 21, 2013 - 09:34 PM PST
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Bledsoe, Green, and Jordan to Utah for Jefferson and Burks.

                
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Post ID: 345266by clipper321 » Jan 21, 2013 - 09:38 PM PST
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I don't like Jefferson defensively

                
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Post ID: 345269by FreaKeyy » Jan 21, 2013 - 09:44 PM PST
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DJ is my dude but he SUCKS. This dude has everything but bball I.Q. And if we're gonna let go of DJ, we better get some really good center. Someone like Asik.

                
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Post ID: 345270by vltor711 » Jan 21, 2013 - 09:49 PM PST
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FreaKeyy wrote:
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His defense has regressed more. Remember 2010-2011 when he was thrust into a starting role with Kaman down? He looked like a LEGIT defensive anchor that had some serious games of domination. Now he got paid and is a worse player in every way for 10 times the price. If the Clippers are smart they will package him with Bledsoe this summer and bring in a SG or SF of the future AND a veteran center who can actually play defense and hit free throws. I'd love something like Deng and Noah for these two but no way in hell we can get that.
DJ is my dude but he SUCKS. This dude has everything but bball I.Q. And if we're gonna let go of DJ, we better get some really good center. Someone like Asik.
They should should try getting Javale Mcgee. I heard George Karl has some issues with him.

                
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Post ID: 345271by Hooch20 » Jan 21, 2013 - 09:50 PM PST
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Agreed, but DJ isn't doing much himself.

                
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Post ID: 345272by FreaKeyy » Jan 21, 2013 - 09:51 PM PST
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vltor711 wrote:
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His defense has regressed more. Remember 2010-2011 when he was thrust into a starting role with Kaman down? He looked like a LEGIT defensive anchor that had some serious games of domination. Now he got paid and is a worse player in every way for 10 times the price. If the Clippers are smart they will package him with Bledsoe this summer and bring in a SG or SF of the future AND a veteran center who can actually play defense and hit free throws. I'd love something like Deng and Noah for these two but no way in hell we can get that.
DJ is my dude but he SUCKS. This dude has everything but bball I.Q. And if we're gonna let go of DJ, we better get some really good center. Someone like Asik.
They should should try getting Javale Mcgee. I heard George Karl has some issues with him.
DJ and Javale are like the same thing. Freaking so athletic, but cant use it.

                
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Post ID: 345273by Clippersfan86 » Jan 21, 2013 - 09:53 PM PST
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Exactly. People keep saying blah blah defensively but DJ sucks ass defensively right now. Not to mention Turiaf, Odom and Hollins play solid defense off the bench. Jefferson is a guaranteed 15/8 or so even on this loaded team.

                
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Post ID: 345274by FreaKeyy » Jan 21, 2013 - 09:54 PM PST
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DJ doesn't need to do anything except rebound and defend the rim. He should copy Ben Wallace

                
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Post ID: 345275by Clippersfan86 » Jan 21, 2013 - 09:56 PM PST
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Instead he's going to spend all summer working on his post game... only to have it vanish after 10 games AND come at the expense of improving defensively and on the boards. I'm sick of seeing guards like Klay Thompson manhandle this guy for rebounds.

                
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Post ID: 345276by CP3Best » Jan 21, 2013 - 10:02 PM PST
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21 minutes 1 point and ONLY 3 rebounds.

                
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Post ID: 345278by vltor711 » Jan 21, 2013 - 10:21 PM PST
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Now everyone knows why Vinny gives Odom more minutes. Cause DJ does not know how to block out, shoot free throws, catch or hang onto the ball.

                
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Post ID: 345279by Clippersfan86 » Jan 21, 2013 - 10:27 PM PST
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Yea I'm done feeling sorry for DJ. I'm on the Joe bandwagon of... he can shut up and stop whining. He's the only player that's constantly pissed about getting benched and acts like a little wuss yet does nothing to EARN those minutes from the other players.

                
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Post ID: 345281by david » Jan 21, 2013 - 10:35 PM PST
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DJ needs to play like his hair is on fire. He's been too complacent lately- kind of afraid of making mistakes. Part of it is just afraid of making mistakes, committing fouls, etc., and then fearing getting subbed out. He can have a much bigger impact on the game, but it's just a matter of playing more with a sense of urgency and passion. Every player makes mistakes, but he needs to learn to keep up the aggressiveness all the time even if he just messed up. Also DJ needs to always EXPECT to get the ball when he is open. Too often he doesn't seem ready for the pass because, let's face it, he doesn't get it often.

But in general, if he plays with much more aggression, he would be way better off. Don't think too much and play with the instinct of GETTING THE BALL- whether it be rebounds or blocks, and I know he will do so much better.

                
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Post ID: 345283by Voyeur » Jan 21, 2013 - 10:41 PM PST
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If I was to get rid of DJ, I wouldn't want Pau, I'd rather have his brother. Because Pau would be even worse defensively against other centers...and DJ's pretty bad against bulkier centers. I mean, when Blake Griffin has to defend the other team's center man to man, something is wrong. Marc and his mid-range jumper would, in fact, be a perfect compliment to Blake's game, even if "lob city" would suffer slightly.

Not that it would have mattered regarding today's game against GS, but I'm starting to think a bulky 7 footer would be more advantageous than DJ at this point.

                
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Post ID: 345284by CP3Best » Jan 21, 2013 - 10:47 PM PST
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Gasol (Marc) is WISHFUL thinking, DJ's worth is as low as can be by my estimation, he's got a GIANT deal on his contract with like 3 more years, and he's playing like sht, not a good combination in the trade market.

                
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Post ID: 345285by CP3Heliflopter » Jan 21, 2013 - 10:51 PM PST
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15/8 or not Jefferson is one of the worst defensive bigs in the league. The Jazz are over 10 defensive rating higher with him on the court. He is worst than Boozer in terms of defense. Our defense would be absolutely butchered with this guy on the court and he will contribute marginally to our offense at best considering he isn't particularly efficient scorer.

Let me post this again for reference.

Al Jefferson, Jazz On/off floor MIN DefRtg On floor 1,046 108.1 Off floor 553 97.6 Diff. +10.5

                
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Post ID: 345286by jarca » Jan 21, 2013 - 10:51 PM PST
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Pau is a beast and he'll fit in well with this team. Lakers aren't using him correctly. This is the same guy that was dominating under browns Princeton offense and in the Olympics. I have no doubt that when gasol gets traded he'll average at least 17 and 9

                
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Post ID: 345287by jarca » Jan 21, 2013 - 10:52 PM PST
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CP3Heliflopter wrote:
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Exactly. People keep saying blah blah defensively but DJ sucks ass defensively right now. Not to mention Turiaf, Odom and Hollins play solid defense off the bench. Jefferson is a guaranteed 15/8 or so even on this loaded team.
15/8 or not Jefferson is one of the worst defensive bigs in the league. The Jazz are over 10 defensive rating higher with him on the court. He is worst than Boozer in terms of defense. Our defense would be absolutely butchered with this guy on the court and he will contribute marginally to our offense at best considering he isn't particularly efficient scorer.

Let me post this again for reference.

Al Jefferson, Jazz On/off floor MIN DefRtg On floor 1,046 108.1 Off floor 553 97.6 Diff. +10.5

Black hole on offense too

                
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Post ID: 345288by ClippersDA » Jan 21, 2013 - 10:53 PM PST
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Can someone tell me the last game where do made a meaningful contribution? His regression is just pathetic. He is a nice guy but he needs to realize that he is a huge issue for us. At this point I'd almost rather start hollins, he is taller, makes free throws and is equally Athletic. He also has a better attitude. I honestly don't think DJ is infinitely better. I met DJ in November and he truly is a warm, nice person. Great cheerleader, but he needs to remember how he played in the early part of season. That seems like a fluke now

                
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Post ID: 345290by tense2 » Jan 21, 2013 - 10:56 PM PST
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Not sure if we can get Orlando to bite, but I do a DJ + Bledsoe + our 1st round pick for Afflalo and Vucevic Wink...but don't think any major trade will happen till the off season anyway.

                
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Post ID: 345291by jarca » Jan 21, 2013 - 10:58 PM PST
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That's why I was mad that the clippers didn't attempt to grab Howard during the summer. They basically traded Howard for afflalo. Howard and Bledsoe with a pick or another player would have been a great trade for the magic

                
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Post ID: 345292by Clippersfan86 » Jan 21, 2013 - 10:59 PM PST
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People keep acting like Blake will have a meltdown but friends or not Blake wants to win. If we got much better without DJ I doubt his sadness would last for long. Although if DJ cares about staying with his best friend for his career he better wake up.

                
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A beast? C'mon...He's definitely got game, but he's no beast on defense. He'll be owned by bigger, stronger centers in the league.

And when I said I'd rather have Marc...of course that's wishful thinking (to whomever said that). I'm using him as an example. A bigger guy who can handle the real beasts of the league would be preferable.

                
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Post ID: 345295by ClippersDA » Jan 21, 2013 - 11:01 PM PST
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I like having an athletic front court tho...it is just tou. If DJ can give us 8 points and 10 re ounds, I'd be thrilled. He just plays stupid

                
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Post ID: 345296by 23efren23 » Jan 21, 2013 - 11:02 PM PST
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If we gonna Mel a trade the best trade and only trade that guarantees us a title because defense ultimately win championships is Noah who not getting along with coach deng 20 points a game great defender way better than butler with cp3 on griffin on his team and another pg back nate robinson for Bledsoe tpe dj and butler everything matches and bulls wanted butler in the past they would love Bledsoe and dj to make them younger lower salary playoff and championship experience

                
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Post ID: 345297by 23efren23 » Jan 21, 2013 - 11:03 PM PST
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Make * not mel

                
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Post ID: 345299by jarca » Jan 21, 2013 - 11:07 PM PST
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Voyeur wrote:
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Pau is a beast and he'll fit in well with this team. Lakers aren't using him correctly. This is the same guy that was dominating under browns Princeton offense and in the Olympics. I have no doubt that when gasol gets traded he'll average at least 17 and 9
A beast? C'mon...He's definitely got game, but he's no beast on defense. He'll be owned by bigger, stronger centers in the league.

And when I said I'd rather have Marc...of course that's wishful thinking (to whomever said that). I'm using him as an example. A bigger guy who can handle the real beasts of the league would be preferable.

Ur listening too much to whiny lakers fans. They always blame pau! Lakers won back to back titles with pau on the post and Bynum playing limited roles. He's no Tyson chandler but he isn't boozer either on the defensive end.

                
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Post ID: 345300by wessleejr » Jan 21, 2013 - 11:15 PM PST
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We can't afford Gasol, he is very expensive, btw why is it that everytime the OKC loss, the next game we loss also. I just noticed.

                
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Post ID: 345302by Voyeur » Jan 21, 2013 - 11:19 PM PST
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I don't listen to Laker fans.

                
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Post ID: 345303by jarca » Jan 21, 2013 - 11:22 PM PST
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Pau Gasol 15 pts 12 rebounds in 25 mins

                
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Post ID: 345306by Voyeur » Jan 21, 2013 - 11:25 PM PST
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What're you, his agent? The last thing we would need is someone soft on defense against other centers.

                
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Post ID: 345307by jarca » Jan 21, 2013 - 11:28 PM PST
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Pau Gasol 15 pts 12 rebounds in 25 mins
What're you, his agent? The last thing we would need is someone soft on defense against other centers.

Not his agent lol. Who's the center that's gonna terrorize gasol? Jj hickson? Jefferson? Asik? Perkins? There is no center anymore

                
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Post ID: 345308by bullterrierclipsfan1349 » Jan 21, 2013 - 11:30 PM PST
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eventhough hes older, someone like KG would be a trade id consider. id trade dj to boston to get KG. KG would help this team out. idk what it would take to get him, but seeing the celtics are not going anywhere, they may take dj and a future first for KG.

                
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Post ID: 345310by jarca » Jan 21, 2013 - 11:35 PM PST
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I like this one too! Imagine KG making that retard Bazemore from gsw cry just by trash talking him

                
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Post ID: 345311by Clippersfan86 » Jan 21, 2013 - 11:36 PM PST
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Gasol would be great next to Blake. Both are amazing passers, both are versatile as hell. Only problem is his contract and age. He's a solution for maybe 3 years.

                
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Post ID: 345313by Clippersfan86 » Jan 21, 2013 - 11:37 PM PST
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I'd cry tears of joy if we got KG a couple years back but he's about to turn 36. Would still be amazing to have but would suck with him likely retiring in a year or two. He almost retired this year.

                
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Post ID: 345314by bullterrierclipsfan1349 » Jan 21, 2013 - 11:38 PM PST
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eventhough hes older, someone like KG would be a trade id consider. id trade dj to boston to get KG. KG would help this team out. idk what it would take to get him, but seeing the celtics are not going anywhere, they may take dj and a future first for KG.

I like this one too! Imagine KG making that retard Bazemore from gsw cry just by trash talking him

kg would be a great teacher for bg. and hes a defensive presence still at his age. plus hes much cheaper than pau. dj's and kg's contracts match

                
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Post ID: 345316by bullterrierclipsfan1349 » Jan 21, 2013 - 11:40 PM PST
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kg would be great. hell, he wouldnt have to play huge minutes. he is just as old as duncan, and look how they both are still playing at a fairly high level

                
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Post ID: 345317by Voyeur » Jan 21, 2013 - 11:41 PM PST
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Heck I'm just thinking about the Nenes and Cousins of the league, or the front lines from teams like Memphis or Chicago. Not to mention Howard or Bynum (whenever he gets back).

I'll say this...Pau's offense, much like his brother, would be a nice fit for BG offensively. I suppose as long as we still have guys like Turiaf and Hollins to come in, I'd be okay with it.

Ugh. None of this would matter if DJ was playing to his potential.

                
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Post ID: 345319by KP » Jan 21, 2013 - 11:52 PM PST
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I still have faith in dj... i think hea just in a bad stretch, he's not elite so that happens.... he started out the year playing great, i saw the improvement

                
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Post ID: 345329by David42 » Jan 22, 2013 - 01:11 AM PST
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One thing. Support the players on our team.

Not everybody is perfect. I think he made progress especially in the beginning of the season. Give the guy some credit, basketball is a team sport not an individual one. He scares players because they expect a block. Look at our bench even DJ is playing bad we've enough subs to replace him. And i think he's a great locker guy and mix very well in the group.

                
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Post ID: 345333by BringMcadooBackado » Jan 22, 2013 - 02:07 AM PST
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