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Dj is utter trash. He does nothing for this team. He hurts the team more than helps it. We need to ship his arse for something. The guy is a waste of talent. I've never seen such terrible hands in my life. No basketball iq. Always out of posiition.

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Really right now, Turiaf or Hollins would help us more than Dj. I just can't believe a guy this talented can have no impact. He should be a rebounding, defensive and putback machine. But what does he do? Get a dunk every blue moon or grab a rebound that drops right into his hands or fumble away a ball that falls right into his hands.

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DJ's laziness and lack of effort in improving his game is going to get a coach fired. Good thing we payed 1 Trillion dollars for this 7 footer with a 1/2 inch heart.

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He is sh!t... discussion over, close thread.

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The most frustrating thing about DeAndre to me is that he goes for dunks when he can just use the glass for an easy basket. He lost about 8 points today on failed attempted dunks when he really should have just put the ball in the basket.

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Guys, it's not like it's easy to have a post up game at the highest level by working at your game. Not too many bigs in the world have a good post up game. And lol, DJ is not going to be one of them. I don't care how hard he works. It's a rare talent to find a big with a reliable post up game. Memphis has two and that is the clear difference in the series.

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DJ is overpaid and is getting far outclassed in this series, yes. He's taking a well earned bashing here, but he isn't the only reason we're losing. The Grizzlies have two of the best big men, and that's a tough matchup for any defender in this league. VDN hasn't made the proper adjustments on either end. Chauncey and Caron have given us very little on either end. Blake is hobbled.

But because this is the DJ thread, I'll end it by saying... I had high hopes for DJ but he just hasn't done enough to warrant his price and role on this team.

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Like most people, we all thought we got a steal in round 2 of the draft. And in all honesty we did. How many people get a Center in round 2 of the draft who is Mr. Durable and is 7' tall or bigger that doesn't miss games? Not many.

Super athletic, with a good ceiling for potential, DJ looked like he could mold into a good defensive Center in the NBA. The last 3 years he's been playing just 25 MPG on average and a major reason for that is because he is a massive liability on offense and defense. His FT shooting is so bad I'd rather have fans toss balls underhanded towards the hoop sitting down in their seats courtside at the hoop than have him shoot free throws.

His defense isn't getting better, he can't box out and he looks completely lost on offense if it isn't a designed Oop play, or a wide open pass to a dunk.

He's giving us just over 3 points a game in this series, I'll take the 7 boards and 2 blocks a game but over teh 16 games he's played as our starting Center in playoff games he's getting about 4.2 points a game and like 6+ boards a night. His almost 2 blocks a game are great but he's 9-29 in FT's in 16 playoff games. That's under 30%.

He's getting paid 10 million dollars a year roughly to do what exactly? He gets the majority of his points from dunks, easy tip ins or quick lay ups. He can't hit a free throw to save his life. His man defense is highly suspect, and starting 239 games over a 5 year span, hasn't really helped him at all.

I don't care if we win the title this year, or get spanked in round 1 as we are right now. DJ has got to go. Maybe it wasn't such a bad idea to dangle Bledsoe and DJ for Garnett. At least we'd have a guy that could hit free throws, jumpers, and play good defense.

I love the guy but his production is awful. His character has come into question this season and maybe he's jealous of Blake and CP3, maybe Crawford and others too. He'll never be a star in this league at this rate and maybe the time has passed that his trade value has gone from good or great to average or bad.

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Depends who get in return when we trade DJ. I think DJ is not the ideal fit for our team, but we can't just trade him for anyone. Yes, he is overpaid but he's still an athletic center. We need a center who can shoots ft's, the mid range shot, rebound, and play defense.

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Fully agree. I love DJ but he's not a STARTING Center. He's a great back up and WAY over paid. Thanks to Golden State. His body language is awful. He pouts like a baby. He's an average player. His defense SUCKS. He plays SOFT. OMER ASIK > Deandre Jordan.

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Dude, I get what you are saying and I agree with you but as someone else mentioned in another thread, maybe its the coaching that makes up a big part of that. That doesn't take away from the fact that DJ is a dumbass but there really is no use to dwell on it again and again. This offseason we will either trade him or find a new big man coach cause at 10 million dollars, I would hope the front office would do everything it can to make DJ better before cutting their losses.

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Yes, the FO deserves some blame for not hiring a big man coach. DJ can be a good player in a right system. If he still doesn't improve under a new coach, then I am totally done with him. He did prove last summer that he was willing to learn anything. Unfortunately, he was working on something that should be his last priority (post up moves) instead of top priorities like help-defending and rebounding.

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DJ is not completely at fault... DJ can be more consistent and a better free throw shooter no argument there because I agree. To ask DJ to make jumpers is asking for too much... The Clippers need that from Blake.

VDN is at fault for not only not having a system in place but not helping DJ (And Blake in a way) progress on the floor. For example, when VDN was the Bulls coach Noah was nothing but a mere scrub center as well. VDN leaves, Tom Thibodeau steps in and magically Noah becomes a solid center making free throws, hustling on defense and offense... In other words Noah's game progressed. I'm not saying that if the Clippers have a chance of getting a more well rounded center that the Clippers should stick with DJ... All i'm saying is that DJ is not completely at fault.

DJ is capable of doing a lot more in all aspects. DJ can be more than dunks that's for sure. Not to mention that DJ is only 24 years old... DJ's contract may be bad right now because DJ's contribution is not worth DJ's salary but if the Clippers wait and maybe the next coach utilizes DJ better than DJ's contribution to the team will be a lot better. If DJ can become something like Tyson Chandler (Be a defensive presence and rebound) than the Clippers will be more than satisfied.

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DJ played with solid effort tonight, but we're gonna need an even bigger game from him in game 6, similar to the 16 and 10 he put up vs the Grizz during the last regular season Memphis game.

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DJ once in awhile puts up big games, and game 6 he has to with Blake questionable to play and not near 100%.

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^^Yep- in that game I remembered that DJ actually got all his points in the first half. Memphis knows that he is not the focal point of the offense, so DJ needs to make them pay by moving his feet, get open and attack once he gets the ball. Keep the ball up high and just elevate so they can't strip the ball away.

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^If DJ can somehow get Gasol in foul trouble that would be nice also.

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The guy is as tough as Pau Gasol. Why was Blake guarding Gasol? DJ is too soft. He didn't put a body on him in the last game. He sagged and gave Marc space and got torched by set shots. KMart wouldn't have done that (but KMart didn't want to return. We get a dose of Zbo and/or Gasol. Even a healthy Kaman would be better.

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Mart and Evans are better than Odom/Turiaf/Hollins.

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lobcityhawaii wrote:
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DJ played with solid effort tonight, but we're gonna need an even bigger game from him in game 6, similar to the 16 and 10 he put up vs the Grizz during the last regular season Memphis game.

DJ once in awhile puts up big games, and game 6 he has to with Blake questionable to play and not near 100%.

DJ and Butler for all their paid are like this.

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Heediot wrote:
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DJ played with solid effort tonight, but we're gonna need an even bigger game from him in game 6, similar to the 16 and 10 he put up vs the Grizz during the last regular season Memphis game.

DJ once in awhile puts up big games, and game 6 he has to with Blake questionable to play and not near 100%.

DJ and Butler for all their paid are like this.

yeah. butler can't do anything against prince. sad.

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When asked what the key has been for taking DeAndre Jordan out of his game in Memphis, Lionel Hollins responded, "What is his game?"

Lionel Hollins on holding DeAndre Jordan to two rebounds: "Nobody holds anybody to two rebounds. You either get them or you don't get them."

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Embarassed

Then here is Vinny's own quotes about him.

"I don't know if crossroads is the right [word] but there's definitely a level you have to play at right now that is much different," Clippers coach Vinny Del Negro said. "He has a much different responsibility now. He understands it.

"I haven't seen the consistency that I like. He hasn't seen the consistency he would like."

"I didn't see him controlling the game the way I thought he needed to, and at that stage you have to go with someone you feel can," Del Negro said. "Maybe Ryan Hollins could have played a few more minutes after looking at the tape.

"But those are decisions that are made during the heat of the battle, and you go with your rotation as best you can. At this stage of the game you want to stay with your rotation, but if they're not being productive, you have to look at other guys you have confidence in, that have produced throughout the series." [...]

"Defensively, offensively, being a threat out there on the glass, using his length, athleticism," Del Negro said. "But it's up to him to get out there and earn his minutes and work through anything that's thrown at him during the game."

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Rightfully so, now you see why vdn kept this guy out most of the season, he gets picked on

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If there is one great thing Vinny's done in his time here it's keep DJ in the doghouse who's proven time and time again he can't step up consistently when we need him. I hope he enjoys Sterling's money because after this contract he's going to be a 3-5 mill a year guy TOPS.

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DJ deserves to be kept in the dog house. Hold onto the damn ball when someone passes it to you. He tries to do too much out there and can only really dunk. This guy makes me tired. Even if we make it past this series I'd still want him gone. Yes, maybe coaching could help but why would VDn run plays for a guy that has little to no offensive skills, turns the ball over constantly, COULD get fouled and sent to the line where he could very well airball both shots, oh and we have a winning team. So why risk running plays for a Center with little to no offensive ability at all on a winning team that was considered by many to be a contender?

I'm sorry, I don't remember the Bulls drawing up tons of plays for Luc Longley, Bill Wennington etc. How often did the Pistons feed the rock to Ben Wallace?

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bulletin board material.

i hope we see the DJ we thought we'd be getting after his performances in the pre and early season

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ekker3 wrote:
Clippersfan86 wrote:
When asked what the key has been for taking DeAndre Jordan out of his game in Memphis, Lionel Hollins responded, "What is his game?"

Lionel Hollins on holding DeAndre Jordan to two rebounds: "Nobody holds anybody to two rebounds. You either get them or you don't get them."

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i hope we see the DJ we thought we'd be getting after his performances in the pre and early season

This quote was before Game 5 and it didn't really help much.

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Chris Paul on DeAndre Jordan after the game last night:

I wouldn't say outstanding- solid, but we need him to give even more for game 6.

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Ugh, as much as I don't love Dwight Howard...and have talked against any idea of getting him...it's hard to believe he'd have been dominated as badly by these bigs the way DJ has been.

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I don't take what CP3 says about teammate seriously. He hypes all of them up equally because he's a great leader that's trying to install confidence.

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CP3 needs to be the GM of this team. I really think he'd get rid of just about everybody and bring in people he can actually work with. DJ is not going to cut it. When you have a guy that is primarily known for, or supposed to be known for defense and doesn't do a good job at it, that is a serious problem.

That'd be like Kyle Korver whose really only known for amazing 3pt shooting, but he's shooting like 27% with like 8 attempts a game. Your going to lose 9 out of 10 games if someone is doing that.

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CP built this "team"

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ekker3 wrote:
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When asked what the key has been for taking DeAndre Jordan out of his game in Memphis, Lionel Hollins responded, "What is his game?"

Lionel Hollins on holding DeAndre Jordan to two rebounds: "Nobody holds anybody to two rebounds. You either get them or you don't get them."

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i hope we see the DJ we thought we'd be getting after his performances in the pre and early season

DJ killed Memphis in the last regular season matchup. Hopefully that quote fires him up. The problem however is that he needs to be fired up in the first place.

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DJ has to go. He has no offensive game to open up space for Blake and defensively, he's average at best.

I'd take Gortat or Vucevic any day. Even if it means parting with Bledsoe.

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Does he and Kwame Brown have the same agent?

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Bledsoe and DJ for Afflalo and Vucevic would be amazing. Then let Billups and Odom walk. Hire an elite coach. If all those happen we are in AMAZING shape,all the sudden.

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The_Blake_Show wrote:
DJ is not completely at fault... DJ can be more consistent and a better free throw shooter no argument there because I agree. To ask DJ to make jumpers is asking for too much... The Clippers need that from Blake.

I disagree. DJ cannot hold on to a ball in the paint if a penetrator dishes to him. Billups made a pass to him and lost it. Billups was giving him a dirty look. He was getting in BG's way on a few plays which I have no idea why he was there. But the biggest reason why I think DJ is mostly at fault cause he always seems to overreact to dbl teaming the PG and forgets to run back. How the frack do you do that when you have Gasol and Zach in the paint? You'd think after 3 years of doing this he would have learned.

BG, Hollins, Odom, and Turiaf know it's not about dbl teaming. You stop the progress of the PG so our PG can catch up. Odom does this like a master...watch him. DJ ALWAYS gets lost when our PG catches up but rarely goes back to him man. He stays in no-man land which leads to easy points. Watch him next game instead of the offense. You'll see he's the one that breaks down the defense...8-20 times.

Again, watch him and you'll maybe think otherwise.

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VDN is at fault for not only not having a system in place but not helping DJ (And Blake in a way) progress on the floor. For example, when VDN was the Bulls coach Noah was nothing but a mere scrub center as well. VDN leaves, Tom Thibodeau steps in and magically Noah becomes a solid center making free throws, hustling on defense and offense... In other words Noah's game progressed. I'm not saying that if the Clippers have a chance of getting a more well rounded center that the Clippers should stick with DJ... All i'm saying is that DJ is not completely at fault.

I'm sorry, you must have forgot VDN's years with the Bulls. Did you see Noah in the Boston series? No, Noah made him bones when VDN was the coach. Noah was a big VDN supporter. By the way, Noah and Rose were at the stage were just about every player's game progresses.

DJ came into the league with the rep of not being a guy who put in time. In other words, he was known as a lazy player who had huge upside.

DJ is the modern version of Beidrins. What you see is what you will get from him. DJ's problem is that he is not smart. Years in the league is not going to help him in that department.

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DJ is capable of doing a lot more in all aspects. DJ can be more than dunks that's for sure. Not to mention that DJ is only 24 years old... DJ's contract may be bad right now because DJ's contribution is not worth DJ's salary but if the Clippers wait and maybe the next coach utilizes DJ better than DJ's contribution to the team will be a lot better. If DJ can become something like Tyson Chandler (Be a defensive presence and rebound) than the Clippers will be more than satisfied.

DJ can be more than dunks but in his 4th season, that's all he does. How will the next coach utilize him more? Late in games as the worst FT shooter in the league? Hide him more like VDN does on centers he can't guard? Have the new coach build his confidence like VDN did by having the first play of every game run for him in the post? Which by the way, he missed most of those or had the ball taken away.

How can DJ be utilized more? They've already put him on the smaller guy in this series and last to keep him on the floor. What more can you do for him that he can't do for himself? DJ is responsible for his self improvement. All players are. the coach's job is to find the best possible players on the roster and use their strengths. We need to stop coddling this guy and treat him like some special case. He's not special. Other guys working harder and showing improvement are eager to take his place.

That's the nature of the beast. You want longevity? You have to evolve or get bench, traded, or find yourself out of the league. That is not the coach's job...That's on the player.

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Does that also take into effect the time BG is actually guarding Gasol? While those numbers have validity, your premise is that those numbers are giving credit to DJ for the 1st and third qtrs. DJ is opne of the first guys out and it's usually BG who is either guarding him already, or he switches to him when DJ leaves.

I agree with you though, Turiaf, Hollins, and Odom are not doing a good job on gasol.

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The problem with the way this team was built really stems from Lamar Odom in my opinion. I'm sure nobody expected him to be even worse than he was last year with Dallas but somehow, he found a way to be. Lamar Odom was the X-factor for the success of our season even before the season started, and I believe it's safe to say that this experiment has been a complete failure.

Yes, he's been good on the boards and defense, but his inability to provide any sort of offense has backed our team into the tightest of corners. Blake Griffin is our ONLY inside scoring threat, and even worse, he's the only inside player that can score. What I mean by that is, Lamar was expected to be a stretch big at least in some form or fashion, with the ability to hit 3's or at the very least mid range jumpshots, but the guy can't even make a wide open layup when he has the chance which allows for opponents to double down on Blake.

As far as DJ goes, there's no point in defending him anymore. The one thing that I will say in his defense is that Blake Griffin is averaging even less rebounds in the series than DJ so it's not like he's the only one to blame. I still don't understand how Blake went from top 3 rebounders in the league behind only Kevin Love and Dwight Howard, to the pathetic rebounder he is right now. It doesn't make any sense.

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RatholeTN wrote:
ekker3 wrote:
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When asked what the key has been for taking DeAndre Jordan out of his game in Memphis, Lionel Hollins responded, "What is his game?"

Lionel Hollins on holding DeAndre Jordan to two rebounds: "Nobody holds anybody to two rebounds. You either get them or you don't get them."

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i hope we see the DJ we thought we'd be getting after his performances in the pre and early season

This quote was before Game 5 and it didn't really help much.

What was the answer when they Hollins asked what is his game? I'd just like to know for my own knowledge. He's pretty good at running and jumping high, I know that. what else is there?

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I am not sure, I only saw that snippet that was posted above.

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Actually Joe DJ is in his 5th year, not 4th which males it even more pathetic. He was taken 35th in 08 if I recall. 5 years and he can't do anything more than dunk and block an occasional shot.

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I would love that but Orlando has a great young core, they don't need DJ but Bledsoe probably intrigues them and Noel will likely be the #1 pick so who knows.

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CapsNClips wrote:
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Bledsoe and DJ for Afflalo and Vucevic would be amazing. Then let Billups and Odom walk. Hire an elite coach. If all those happen we are in AMAZING shape,all the sudden.

I would love that but Orlando has a great young core, they don't need DJ but Bledsoe probably intrigues them and Noel will likely be the #1 pick so who knows.

I would love that trade also, but not going to happen.

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I been dreaming about this trade but I doubt Magic would bite unless the Clippers include some draft picks and money

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This one always cracks me up... There's another I seen that was hilarious similar to this one. I'm gonna look for it so I can post it.

Have you seen the one I created and posted on the "Clipper Fan Art" thread?

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DJ was weak last night and acted like he did not care. F him, trade him, get somebody with some passion to play hard.

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I'm down to include picks and money for Vujevic and Afflalo. We can even give them expiring Butler and any other piece they may want like cheap, decent value Willie Green who will bring a good vet to their team. I agree with Art DJ does not care one bit. He's just like Dwight.

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Clippers might also have to take a bad contract like Turkoglu especially if Turkoglu decides to stay with player option.

So a trade of DJ and Bledsoe for Turkoglu and Vucevic is more realistic...

Which I would still do because not only will the Clippers be eliminating the last two years of DJ's contract but Vucevic's contract is about $10,000,000 for the next three years. Clippers financially will have a lot of room to sign key role players and bench players.

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