DeAndre Jordan Performance Discussion Thread (P. 25)

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Icecoldclipper
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Overall I don't feel the okc series was bad for Jordan we struggled when he sat but never felt it was a must he did sit. There was also never a loss in the post season where his free throws cost us alone. We need better length to start next year and Jordan Hill backing Blake would be huge and get Clint Capela and KG behind DJ.

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I don't understand why anyone even bothers trying to debate with Joe. He's hated DJ for years and will never admit that he's been wrong about the guy. DJ leads the league in rebounding, FG% and comes in third for defensive player of the year and he still thinks DJ sucks. I think I can count on one hand the number of times that he has actually made any sort of logical conclusion about anything. He's like the people that used to run around saying that the world was flat, even though the rest of the world knew that it wasn't. I don't know if he's trolling or what? He's either trolling or he has the IQ of a turnip...

CapsNClips
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C'mon man, please don't use personal attacks like that. I'm giving you a warning.

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In case you don't know this guy:

  1. Cliptonyte only comes here to defend DJ...No, seriously, he literally only comes here to defend DJ. Again, only time you see his posts, is when he defends, or praises DJ. Look at his history if you think I'm lying. He has to be a relative or has a secret crush on DJ.

  2. Anytime you critique DJ, he'll drop the "I have professional experience in coaching" card. If that doesn't work, he'll pull out the proverbial scrapbook and post some clippings on what a coach thinks of DJ. Of course, it has to be positive. But when you counter with a article that talks about how bad he is in protecting the paint, he disappears...Or tries to make this a insult match (see above).

  • when someone starts insulting, or making this personal, you know you've struck a cord with that person. I am confused as to why this guy made a personal attack out of thin air but I really shouldn't be surprised.

    This guys only pops out of the basement when he smells someone talking bad about his obsession.

    Sorry to say, a lot of people here the say way about DJ. The guy has the IQ of a turnip (see what I did there?). Maybe you should come here more often and spend time in game threads to see that my opinion is not isolated. I maybe the most vocal, but there are lots of people who feel this guy makes some of the worst decisions when he has the ball in his hands...That is, if he can hold on to the ball for more than a second.

    Yes, people know I don't like DJ...That has never been a secret. But you seem to take it the worst when you don't even come here long enough to understand. You only come here to post a positive article of DJ, or defend him like he's your husband. Aside from that, I have been very vocal about DJ's improvement in rebounding. I've praised him for that all season. I've praised him for big games. I even praised him for being one the best players in the Warriors series...That is, before I realized that it had more to do with not having a center playing for them. DJ has been horrible in the play-offs and that is what he was in the Thunder series. If you can't accept that, then you can go back to kissing you DJ fathead in your basement.

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CapsNClips, I have no problem with you giving me a warning. I'll gladly accept it. You have to do your job, nothing personal.

CP3Best
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Hey CJ, I'd rather have a coach breakdown DJ's performance than some lousy journalist in some dead end article writer job.

ClippersDA
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Can dj help us win a ring? I don't think so. If trading him helps is improve, I'm game.

Again, robin Lopez was better against better competition and costs half

As much. We can find a big body to rebound and intimidate. Dj never seems to be in the right spot and I can't stand watching him at the line anymore. I do like him but this is a contract year and he can't be off the table. He is our new Bledsoe.

JQuick32
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I don't get why criticizing DJ is somehow a no-no. He is atrocious at the line, he is a mediocre rim protector at best despite being gifted with superior athleticism, his basketball IQ is low, he still is clueless against any big who can make a jump shot, he has zero offensive game, and he disappears in the playoffs (except for in extreme circumstances like the other team missing their starting center). He's good for rebounding and some highlight dunks/blocks in the regular season, and that's about it.

DJ has been in the league for six seasons now. He pretty much is what he is now, and what he is is nowhere near good enough to be declared untouchable if trading him can help fill the holes in our roster. We have too many regular season players, and DJ is one of them.

clipfan63
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The problem is who are you going to get that is any better,and don't even think about mentioning that prehistoric dinosaur Kevin Garnett he's beyond finished.

HyperFuse
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see what happens this upcoming season, if he improves then keep if not then find someone still under 30 who is better at doing the basics

laboy
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If there is an center that can be had ..

one that can defend and score..

me might have to part with dj..

since he has an expiring contract this year and will be asking for more than the 10 mil he is making now,

A7XDreamTheaterClipps
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We shh him while his stock is still high. Maybe the Clippers can convince some dumb GM into giving us a starting center and swing man.

namzug
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I'm a big DJ supporter and think he had a great season and still has tons of potential defensively (would benefit greatly if we had some decent perimeter defense a la Chicago or Indiana). Offensively his hands suck and shot is worse, if he could hold onto the ball his footwork is pretty good in my opinion.

With that said, if you can fill in his spot with a Gortat and get Deng or an Ariza you have to do it right. The only thing I question is can we give up his durability. He is a workhorse and I think we take for granted that he is going to play every night. If we can keep him for 12-13 I think we should. I'm on the fence about trading him, but it has to be a good value in our favor.

bebe
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Doc saw DJ's potentials and made him a great player. Remind you this was done in the off season. He was considered best defensive player of the year. Whether you like him or not, give him the credit that's due. I see him #1 defensive player next season. This team has bonded and needs to concentrate on getting to the finals next year, bringing in another player will cause them to start from square one. I must say prior to Doc Rivers coming to the Clippers I wanted DJ traded, I didn't see any contributions he was making except for dunking. Now he is one of the top three players for the Clippers.

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jarca
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If only the Wolves didn't have a center, DJ would be a great centerpiece for a trade with love. He'll be great on an up and coming team and has the potential to be a great ticket seller. If Doc want to go the Phoenix suns route of just trying to score as much point, maybe even DJ for Jefferson. Just throwing out scenarios

Ultimately, I'd rather that we keep DJ because he still hasn't reach his full potential, injury free, and accepts his role

fullcourt
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I loved the improvement I saw from DJ this season the dilemma I'm facing is that when I read all of the boards and see the talk about how all we need is a starting SF there is something that just doesn't sit right.

We have heading into next season a cap number of around 73-74 million and of that we have 55-56 million committed to 4 starters but we have people who believe that we have to add another high caliber starter who at the SF position will likely command 10 mil +(Deng). Doc has some serious decisions to make because short term we invested wisely but long term we aren't getting nearly the bang for our post season buck that we should.

Doc may have to consider something like the Bulls die when they traded Charles oakley after he led the league in rebounds for Bill Cartwright.

UKClipper
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While I loved the improvements to Deandre Jordan's game and what he brings to the team defensively I feel that they have to move him to get a true 3rd star at the SF position. What do all 4 teams in the conference finals have in common? A superstar at SF (Kawhi Leonard isn't a superstar but he is a quality player!). What else do they all have in common? None of them have a top 10 center.

Because SF is arguably the only position that can truly be guarded by their opposite number I think having a top 10 SF would take this team to the next level. I would love for us to get Melo or possibly Ariza but Deandre Jordan's inability to hit free throws or provide any offensive threat really damages us against quality opposition that we meet in the playoffs.

CapsNClips
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Paul George isn't a superstar SF either. He's not even close.

UKClipper
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He's been in the league 4 years and is a 2 time all star, won most improved player, has seen his contributions go up every year, no slumps and is arguably the best wing defender in the league and has led his team to the best record in the East..

CapsNClips
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Besides the fact that none of those accolades makes him a superstar, you also lied about some of those statements.

He has absolutely had slumps, he had a 3 month long slump just this season.

Also, he's NOT arguably the best wing defender in the league. Find me one person who would take George over LeBron, Allen, Leonard or Iggy on defense.

Being a 2 time All-star doesn't make someone a "superstar"

UKClipper
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When I was talking about no slumps I meant year to year. His average points scored has gone up by at least 4.5 every year. How you can say he isn't one of the top defenders when he was All Defensive 2nd team and is at the top of nearly every defensive metric is crazy to me.

Also my point was that of the 4 years he has been in the league 2 of them have been All-Star years. I'll name you two other players who also made the All Star game in their third year and beyond. LeBron and Kobe.

CapsNClips
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Just because a player gets better each year it doesn't mean he's instantly a superstar. Are Bledsoe, Hayward and Klay Thompson also superstars?

And why do you keep equating All-star selections with being a superstar? Are you saying there are about 25 superstars in any given NBA season? That's hilarious.

jarca
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Why would you bring up Bledsoe, Hayward, and Thompson when none of them even made the all star?

Back to the topic, there's a thin line between all star and superstar. It just depends on one's preference.

Back in the day players like Reggie Miller and Mitch Richmond were billed as superstar but when comparing to other superstar of their era like. Jordan, Barkley, Wilkinss, Olajuwon etc, Mitch and Miller didn't put the same stat lines as those guys.

Yao Ming was once called a superstar just based on his marketability.

Pippen throughout his career went from robin, all star, to superstar depend on who you talk to.

Currently people have this debate whether Blake is a superstar or not. Whereas Kevin Love put up superstar stats but he's in a losing team plus isn't marketable that people don't label him superstar.

In the end, it just depends on your definition of a superstar

fullcourt
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I've always believed that all stars were made in the regular season and superstars were made in the post season. There is a long list of all stars in the era of basketball that can ascend to superstar status but have not been able to really dominate over the course of a post season run.

HyperFuse
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sadly so far also known as Blake Griffin

UKClipper
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It's fine CapsNClips don't comprehend what I'm actually saying, just gloss over it. It depends on your definition of superstar and I have given several arguments why I believe Paul George is one but you don't seem to be understanding any of them.

Anyhow it's going to be an interesting off-season!

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Talking about a guy at the beginning of his career is absurd. Let's see what he does as he approaches his prime. My bet is that BG will exceed all the naysayers predictions. This applies to DJ too -- to keep this on topic.

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