Clippers Vs. Thunder 01-22-13 Official Game Thread (P. 8)

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tense2
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That's a really good team the Thunder has. Not sure we could of beat them with a healthy Paul tonight. Their 3pt shooting was unconscious this game.

big_giddy
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Blake's post up moves are so legit. Old school big guy. Now we have a go to guy. A legit go to guy.

lobcityhawaii
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When cp3 and big shot come back, we will be a lot better. I'm not taking this game too seriously. If we lost with billups and Paul, then I would be more concerned.

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thanks. maybe all the haters can shut their traps up

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We can beat borderline championship contenders like the Grizz without CP3, but not the true elites like the Thunder.You're just not gonna beat them without one of your stars unless they are missing Durant.

Clippersfan86
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OKC hit 15 threes, we hit 4. That's the ball game.

FreaKeyy
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yeah but people don't really appreciate him enough. This dude has a 6'11 wingspan, freakin 6'11!!! Even Faried has a longer wingspan. And to have a postgame with those wingspans, its amazing. Just shows how much this guy works

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If we had cp3, we would have more chance making more 3's. better ball movement and passing when cp3 is playing

ClipperB23
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I hate to use excuses but if CP played tonight we would have won, we need ball movement and that is something we didn't have tonight and it cost us the game. If there is a positive to gain from this loss its that we never gave up even after OKC hit all those lucky 3's and we kept the game in striking distance. March 3rd I expect us to crush these guys, like Bart Scott says 'CANT WAIT' 8)

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Seriously, what is Chauncey's timetable?

Voyeur
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Meh... We can't let this get our team down. We've been having a great half season so far. And it's been a tough schedule. I think the second half of the season should be a little easier for us. Hopefully we get EVERYBODY back. I still believe we can end up with the best record in the league. Especially if we keep up our defensive intensity. We've had a little bit of bad luck recently. I mean this makes two teams that were hot from the outside. We'll be alright.

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i think we could have. ebled 5 for 16. terrible shot selection. i doubt cp3 would have played awful. unfortunately he was out, injured. but believe me, i know cp3 would have made a difference. for how hot the thunder were, we kept it somewhat close

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This isn't a surprise considering that we almost lost to the wizards

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Chauncey would have at least hit some 3's and get to the line

lobcityhawaii
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Exactly. And with cp3, better ball movement.

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Bledsoe didn't shoot well at all.. I wonder why. He's not a bad shooter.

Clippersfan86
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I'm also starting to get pissed off at Billups taking his sweet ass time getting back. We need these guys BAD.

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cause he took jumpshots, and he is NOT a good jump shooter

Voyeur
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It's not just shooting. Bledsoe wasn't even finishing well. If he's not doing that, or getting more than 1 steal, or forcing Westbrook to low percentage shooting...then what's he good for? Don't get me wrong. I love Bledsoe...and he's just about the perfect guy to have off the bench...but as a starting PG? It didn't work tonight.

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I know. Tired of "saving him for later in the season." Well, guess what? These games in January count, too. We can't just assume we'll still be in the top 2 seed come March and April.

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BTW not enough criticism can be piled on Bledsoe. His time to shine and he CHOKES and FOLDS under the immense pressure. Why in the flying fu** is the guy taking 16 shots, let alone 9 midrange jumpers!? Then he's missing layups, giving up wide open 3's. I mean honestly Bledsoe's failure may have been 60 percent of the loss by himself.

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I really do think cp3 would have gotten us a good 5 more 3 pointers, either from his own shooting or from finding the open guys. that would have been the difference.

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FreaKeyy wrote:
big_giddy wrote:
Blake's post up moves are so legit. Old school big guy. Now we have a go to guy. A legit go to guy.
yeah but people don't really appreciate him enough. This dude has a 6'11 wingspan, freakin 6'11!!! Even Faried has a longer wingspan. And to have a postgame with those wingspans, its amazing. Just shows how much this guy works

one of the best posts ive seen in a while. excellent post

Voyeur
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There's no doubt in my mind. These guys on NBA Tonight are acting like his presence wouldn't have made that much of a difference. That's just crazy. At the least we would have gotten better ball movement and more steals. Not to mention someone Westbrook would actually have to guard.

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and like I said before (many times), bledsoe is who he is. he's a great player to play off the bench. once you expect MORE out of him, that's when you'll realize how much he ISN'T a starter.

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bullterrierclipsfan1349 wrote:
tense2 wrote:
That's a really good team the Thunder has. Not sure we could of beat them with a healthy Paul tonight. Their 3pt shooting was unconscious this game.

i think we could have. ebled 5 for 16. terrible shot selection. i doubt cp3 would have played awful. unfortunately he was out, injured. but believe me, i know cp3 would have made a difference. for how hot the thunder were, we kept it somewhat close

No way Bledsoe should be taking 16 shots starting or not....he and JCraw were a combined 11-34. He should be finding the open man and not looking for his own shot unless there is an open lane. There are no open lanes with Ibaka in there.

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Voyeur wrote:
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I really do think cp3 would have gotten us a good 5 more 3 pointers, either from his own shooting or from finding the open guys. that would have been the difference.

There's no doubt in my mind. These guys on NBA Tonight are acting like his presence wouldn't have made that much of a difference. That's just crazy. At the least we would have gotten better ball movement and more steals. Not to mention someone Westbrook would actually have to guard.

Couldn't agree more with what you guys said.

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bullterrierclipsfan1349 wrote:
FreaKeyy wrote:
big_giddy wrote:
Blake's post up moves are so legit. Old school big guy. Now we have a go to guy. A legit go to guy.
yeah but people don't really appreciate him enough. This dude has a 6'11 wingspan, freakin 6'11!!! Even Faried has a longer wingspan. And to have a postgame with those wingspans, its amazing. Just shows how much this guy works

one of the best posts ive seen in a while. excellent post

it just makes me wonder, what if BG had DJ's wingspan.

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I like Bledsoe, but I'm starting to learn towards the "trade Bled" camp because of games like this. Just atrocious decisionmaking on his part, probably cost us the game.

We need shooters, and someone - ANYONE - who consistently bothers three-point shooters defensively.

Clippersfan86
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As much as I love Bledsoe I've been in the trade Bledsoe while his value is highest camp. CP3 is staying, PERIOD. Trade Bledsoe for a SG or SF who can be relied on every time.

clippermitch
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Really disappointed with the game plan. Durant and Westbrook got theirs but we let the rest of their players go off. Ibaka and Collison scored 25, Martin and Sefolosha added 22 more. Not gonna be able to beat these guys even with CP3 if their role players score 50.

3 point defense was atrocious. Wide open 3s everywhere. Would rather see Durant and Westbrook shoot 2s than have them kick it out for wide open 3s. Sefolosha, Martin and even Ibaka made 7 3s combined. That's 21 points that were uncontested shots.

Voyeur
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Man, I'm so proud of Blake though. I mean he got 31 points, 11 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals, 1 block and, like, OKC's entire front court in foul trouble...shooting 9-10 from the line!

That's a man who showed up tonight.

Clippersfan86
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Can't blame Vinny. He said in the post game that he kept telling them to chase them off the 3 point line. It was the players failing to follow instructions and CONTINUOUSLY making a habit of giving up offensive rebounds leading to 3's which we do every other game.

FreaKeyy
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yup before he gets exposed. I like Bledsoe but he's not a starting PG in this league right now. I know he does those crazy things that just amazes you but this dude can't run an offense. Bledsoe is at his best when he comes off the bench and use all his energy in like 3-5 mins.

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82-0 wrote:
Clippersfan86 wrote:
BTW not enough criticism can be piled on Bledsoe. His time to shine and he CHOKES and FOLDS under the immense pressure. Why in the flying fu** is the guy taking 16 shots, let alone 9 midrange jumpers!? Then he's missing layups, giving up wide open 3's. I mean honestly Bledsoe's failure may have been 60 percent of the loss by himself.

I like Bledsoe, but I'm starting to learn towards the "trade Bled" camp because of games like this. Just atrocious decisionmaking on his part, probably cost us the game.

We need shooters, and someone - ANYONE - who consistently bothers three-point shooters defensively.

I agree.... It was infuriating to watch KD make those second chance 3's. I mean, he was killing it but that was expected. We had chances after chances to catch up and we just choked it away.

clipstar
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One more thing, since when has Ibaka been a jump shooter? When he made that 3, I had flashbacks of that Denver game and realized the outcome was going to be the same...

FreaKeyy
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Ibake is actually a consistent mid range shooter, but that 3 ball surprised me.

Voyeur
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Didn't you know? Everyone's a jump shooter against the Clippers. We'll see if those jumpers keep going in during the playoffs.

Clippersfan86
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BTW now we all know Vinny made the right call to play Bledsoe in bursts. Dude doesn't have the confidence or IQ to be ready to run the team yet.

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Atrocious shooting and 3-point defense again. Good grief.

Apart from that, considering we didn't have CP3 we put up a fight.

Just a thought... to those who want Blake's rookie year numbers back, these last couple of games have looked like the 10/11 season. Be careful what you wish for.

Phu7
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tough game, thought we might have had it early with the strong start too. just tough to win without your best player. Imagine OKC playing without Durant. Jamal and Bledsoe...yikes. It was nice to see Hill create and make a few shots. At least I got a few bobbleheads Smile on to phoenix

Voyeur
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The truth!

I mean, I love when BG dominates. But we are a better team when Blake doesn't have to dominate. When we are playing great team basketball, which is definitely what we were doing during that great streak. BG was getting decent numbers, but everybody was in on the act and we were one of the best offenses out there as well as great defensively.

We need to get back to that. But we need our back court!

tense2
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the way we we're shooting from that area tonight and for the season (35%) I highly doubt we would have made 5 more 3's. the fact is the Thunder just shot unbelievably tonight from the 3pt area. If they would have just shot what they've average so far this season (which is very good @ 38.5%) that would have meant 5 less 3's. might have been a different game then....maybe.

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After thinking about this game I really wasn't that upset, its tough and it would have been great. I think the blame goes around to the whole team. The D in general wasn't good, okc turns the ball over a lot, and the clios are best in creating TO s and steals. The scary thing is if their rebounding and D was like it supposed to be the Clips win, unconscious 3s or no cp3 it wouldn't have mattered. I am confindent its just been 2 sub par defensive games in a row. CP3, Billips, D, and rebounds no one beats them in 7.

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tense2 wrote:
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I really do think cp3 would have gotten us a good 5 more 3 pointers, either from his own shooting or from finding the open guys. that would have been the difference.

the way we we're shooting from that area tonight and for the season (35%) I highly doubt we would have made 5 more 3's. the fact is the Thunder just shot unbelievably tonight from the 3pt area. If they would have just shot what they've average so far this season (which is very good @ 38.5%) that would have meant 5 less 3's. might have been a different game then....maybe.

cp3 would have got us better 3 point attempts, and possibly more 3 point attempts. with better attempts and more attempts, it would have been very possible.

tense2
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^Possible, just not probable.

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i'd say it would have been a good possibility. anyways, doesn't matter now. he didn't play, and we lost. let's move onto the next.

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This game kind of reminded me of Blake's first year with the Clippers. He was playing like the man and putting up great #'s but the team still ended up losing most of the time. Great game by Blake. But unfortunately the 3 point defense by the team was poor, which is inexcusable considering you're going against the #2 3 point shooting team in the league.

Teams that have beaten the Clippers this season were mostly hot to very hot from deep. The current makeup of the team thrives on help defense, which is great against teams that like to penetrate but don't have good 3 point shooting. But there is definitely a pattern of failure versus teams that can drain it on from the outside. We can always say that those teams shot unusually well from the outside, but it would be an excuse, because it has happened pretty much in all the losses by the Clippers this season.

You have to be more flexible with your defensive scheme. Again the swarming Clipper defense has worked great against most teams, but versus those with multiple 3 point shooters it's just not working.

The Thunder is a great team, so you have to kind of pick your poison. But the guys can definitely never leave Durant or Kevin Martin open. You can't leave Sefolosha either. If they make long 2's or layups, so be it, but letting them shoot 3's is just in-excusable. Let Perkins shoot open shots instead, or even Collison, Ibaka or Westbrook.

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Looking at round 3 with the matchup with OKC, there is good news and bad news.

Considering that everyone is playing (including Billups and Paul), the good news is that the game is on national TV on ABC. The Clippers always plays well when the country is watching.

The bad news is that it's a day game (12:30 to be exact). The Clippers don't have a good record when playing in the daytime, i.e. Orlando, Golden State.

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Grillinnap wrote:
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I'm also starting to get pissed off at Billups taking his sweet ass time getting back. We need these guys BAD.

I know. Tired of "saving him for later in the season." Well, guess what? These games in January count, too. We can't just assume we'll still be in the top 2 seed come March and April.

agreed. right now we are playing with only 11 healthy players.

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