Clippers Vs. Suns 01-24-13 Official Game Thread (P. 8)

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clippermitch
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I've said from the start of the season, we need a 3rd PG. With CP hurt, Bledsoe is the only PG we have available. Hill, Barnes, and Crawford are not PGs.

For goodness sake, add a 3rd PG to fill that last roster spot. When Bledsoe got in foul trouble, we didn't do anything on offense. Nobody can set Blake up or even run a pick and roll or throw an entry pass.

We don't need a super good PG. just a veteran player for the minimum that will run the play and take care of the ball!

ClippersDA
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I'm really turning on Bledsoe, I have zero confidence in him

Icecoldclipper
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Vinny has to go back to the orginal when Odom was fat unit. Hollins and or Turiaf need to be back more into the rotation and the new super small bench tribe needs to end.

ClipsGForce
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pageC4 wrote:
BACON wrote:
So what's next for this team? 17 game losing streak??? It just doesn't make any sense, yes I'm going into panic mode, sorry but I cannot help it. Embarassed SMFH!

We will go on a losing streak no doubt, no steady consistency. Streaks, streaks, stereaks

We're not going to lose 17 straight. Don't get ahead of yourself.

What did Kenny say? I miss the segment.

bullterrierclipsfan1349
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terrible loss. idk why bg only got 9 shots. no excuse for that to happen, especially with cp3 out. idk why people insisted on hill playing ahead of butler. sorry, i just dont see how a 40 year old, coming off a long layoff should be given big minutes. he was ineffective out there. vdn putting him ahead of barnes (who while shooting bad, was making layups by simply cutting to the basket) cost us, especially when beasley went out of the game. ill say this again, we need a shooter badly. someone who can make the open 3. i know we cant get him, but jj reddick would fit perfectly. but thats for another occasion. we need people to step up. it cant just be crawford, bg, especially with cp3 out.

big_giddy
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FO should make a move. It's not getting any better. Worse in fact.

Fire VDN or trade DJ? Which is better?

david
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Bledsoe did a solid job tonight- he definitely wasn't the reason for the loss. Unfortunately Blake had a subpar game, and Odom/Barnes/Hill combined for an atrocious 7-30. Green was only 1 for 5, but I trust his shooting over those 3 guys.

OptimusDimes
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Unfortunately you probably can't get away with doing either. Both would would have major reprecussions...that would not be positive at this point.

OptimusDimes
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Is this not the type of game that warrants going deep into your bench? What is the use of having depth if your going to wait till the next one to make some sort of change?

I wouild also like to add that I don't like Hill getting all these minutes lately. It seems that since he has return, the chemistry has been F up.

I thought Vinny had learned his lesson in the Magic game, but he proved me wrong with this one.

Phu7
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derek fisher is coming

big_giddy
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OMG *cough**cough***... I'd take an injured BDiddy over that guy^^^^...

bullterrierclipsfan1349
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we need to use all of our bench. and u are right optimus, our depth needs to be used. we need billups back asap.

toohipcliptoslip
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Barkley is 100% right. This team should be imposing without CP3. BG did not impose his will. Don't diss Barkley. He imposed his will. Why didn't he have 20/10? Would Duncan have had a game like that? Why didn't BG get touches?

Everybody says how good Blesdoe is. We have LO and Hill who can be playmakers off the bench. What's the problem?

Bark is right about our half court set. Barkley agrees with me lol We need to dump a game and run the offense through DJ. DJ + BG should be unstoppable. If they do this, this team is unstoppable. Boy do I wish we had Pau or Kaman.

We should be a PO team WITHOUT CP3 or CB

pageC4
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ClipsGForce wrote:
pageC4 wrote:
BACON wrote:
So what's next for this team? 17 game losing streak??? It just doesn't make any sense, yes I'm going into panic mode, sorry but I cannot help it. Embarassed SMFH!

We will go on a losing streak no doubt, no steady consistency. Streaks, streaks, stereaks

We're not going to lose 17 straight. Don't get ahead of yourself.

What did Kenny say? I miss the segment.

I dunno g force. You have great optimism, wish i had it

OptimusDimes
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We hit one more 3 and we probably win this one and at least the orlando game, so no reason to think we are going to start losing a bunch.

The underlying problems are the things that Charlie brought up though, and the which falls on the players, and the points that Kenny brought up that falls on the coach.

GW
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You can still win when shots aren't falling if you play hard. Vinny should have been excoriating his players for the lack of effort. But I don't think he was doing anything of the sort.

bullterrierclipsfan1349
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agreed. but also needs to argue with the refs. cant score when bg and any of our players drive into the paint and get hammered with nothing being called. at least tonight vdn got a tech. its getting ridiculous.

OptimusDimes
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Oh, but the thing that kills me is when you say something about them getting fouled, they say that our frontcourt players are so physical, then turnaround and say we are a finesse team.

We all know why jumpshooters have such a hard time in the playoffs. Someone is gonna whack you and get away with it. If we are gonna lose(and it's has been mosty against jump shooting teams) then can somebody lays some lumber out there. I tired of this nice guy routine because hard fouling is so beneath us.

I hope these guys know this is not going to get any easier come playoff time...they surely should.

ClipperSean
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I really thought Grant Hill would have a good game tonight but, but he had the exact opposite. Odom has been extra horrible at scoring these last few games, but he has helped out a lot on defense. I think we should have played turiaf a little this game, not sure why he didnt come in at all..

Griffinforpresident
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CP3 - Please come back quickly. There is a reason why you are an MVP candidate. If you miss any more games, the Clips may not get home court advantage anymore to start the playoffs.

Billups - Get out of your jacket and tie and, suit up!!! There is a reason why the Clips brought you back. Stability when the team is at full strength plus, backup PG in case of an injury.

I have a feeling that once Paul signs that extension, the Clips will trade Bledsoe for a "real" starting SG. I would hate to see him go, but he is only best as a backup.

There is also a possibility that both Paul and Griffin might sit out the next game at Portland. If that is the case, they both better play the next night on Sunday. Otherwise, I would have to question their toughness. Which would also mean that I agree with Barkley based on Blake especially.

toohipcliptoslip
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Freethrow shooting lost us this game. Blake is our #2 or #3 guy if you include Billups. He should set the tone. (He said this today). Although CP3 is the man BG should always be in Search and Destroy mode (Yes partly VDN) Malone was, Barkley was. You've heard about someone's finger print on a game. He should have had his footprint on PHX's ass. It should have been his team tonight.

Barkley was one of the best and he knows what BG should do. Be a perennial MVP candidate. He should destroy teams like he did last game. Last yr he was called a one man wrecking crew. I named my dog Halford Barkley (Halford was the singer for Judas Priest. My ex liked metal)

There should be no excuse for him not scoring ~ 20pts every night. Paul does it. Yes part of it is the coach. Is he really a starting Allstar this year?

We really have only two big men, Blake and Lamar. and no real center

DJ, BG, Butler, Willie ?, and Bledsoe with a bench Roni. LO, Hill, Barnes and Jamal should beat almost anybody. As far as no PG Lamar is as good a playmaker as any PG and Hill ain't bad. LeBron doesn't use a PG. Kobe doesn't use a PG (or a center, PF, SF, coach or civility)

Hollins must have peed in the punchbowl. We need him to prevent hack a DJ, BG, Roni.

Without a decent DeAndre Jordan I think we're screwed in the PO's as far as WCF. Halford was right. This game exposed our weaknesses

VDN PLEASE give DJ major minutes so he can learn. Every game he gets complimented on some NASTY post move. Good post play lots of minutes and trust will sink FT's. Halford said as does everyone else that he has a good stroke. His shot is on line but hits the back of the rim. Step the **** back a step.

Laugh but I still think DJ has a jumper. Remember that beautiful fadeaway? It wasn't luck

toohipcliptoslip
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ps

When you think of Barkley imagine Sir Charles peeing on a tree or humping EJs leg.

kjavis
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david wrote:
ClippersDA wrote:
I'm really turning on Bledsoe, I have zero confidence in him

Bledsoe did a solid job tonight- he definitely wasn't the reason for the loss. Unfortunately Blake had a subpar game, and Odom/Barnes/Hill combined for an atrocious 7-30. Green was only 1 for 5, but I trust his shooting over those 3 guys.

Ebleds end game stats look aight but he was horrible to start similar to okc game, bad shots, bad passes, getting into foul trouble and where was the great D he is known for, he let a bum like dragic go for 24pts 8assists, smmfh

BG look flat right from tip off and once he hurt his ankle that wrote off the rest of the game

Why not use hollins or Turiaf against this weak and small suns team and just beat em up inside out, VDN is looking like the rookie coach that he is once again oh and grats losing to Lindsay hunter coaching his 2nd career game, lol

hoopfanjd31
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The game last night was terrible in all respects. That is all. The team better show up against Portland or we'll be looking at another 4 game slide.

clipnasty
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There was no way Odom should have been in as long as he was in the 4th quarter. That completely baffled me.

david
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My feelings exactly. He finally got a break when Barnes came in for him, but it was too late. I don't know if VDN forgot or what the heck happened. Also Grant was left there for too long as well even though he kept missing jumpers.

As for Bledsoe- I think the expectations are too high for him. Come on, he's not going be like Chris Paul running the offense. Teams are playing him to prevent the drive, and he did hit a couple of jumpers. He's going to have turnovers but the effort is always there and he's just going to get better. I thought he was good down the stretch, snatching rebounds and pushing the tempo and giving the team a chance.

clipnasty
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david wrote:
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There was no way Odom should have been in as long as he was in the 4th quarter. That completely baffled me.

My feelings exactly. He finally got a break when Barnes came in for him, but it was too late. I don't know if VDN forgot or what the heck happened. Also Grant was left there for too long as well even though he kept missing jumpers.

I mean maybe Vinny was thinking Odom could help make plays on offense without CP in there, but when he is missing every shot you may as well get someone in there who can really bring some energy or do something to help. Any of our "centers" could have given a jolt of life into the team at that point.

Clipswhit
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If Crawford could create more for others, he'd be a superstar in this league. Unfortunately, he is what he is. A guy who can get his with a very nice handle, but very little sense of team ball. Imagine if he would hit cutters more often after drawing a second defender off a sick crossover. With his talent level, crossover should be averaging 5+ assists per night, and he should be much more efficient from the field (45%+)

ClippersDA
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How hurt is BG? Scared he will miss games

Icecoldclipper
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Team needs to run some simple x and o plays Kenny Smith was right we are to damn iso dependent in the half court.

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