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prokreation
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For the DJ Haters...

Yes it was only one game.

But he played awesome:

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Ha! I was literally just watching this too. Here's the embedded video.

That hook at 11 seconds is sweeeeeeeeeeeet! Hopefully he'll get more minutes moving forward.

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I just wish he was a consistent 10-10 Guy... Is that too much to ask?

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He is... 10 minutes for $10,000,000.

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The pre season and the start of the season proper were great for DJ. I remember that the 1st offence of every game they used to go to DJ to get him going. We need last nights version of DJ to turn into the full time version.

Come on on DJ you can do it!!!!!!

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His free throws are terrible.

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I am just happy he worked on his game during the off season and has shown great improvement from last year.

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Vinny's lack of feel for the game is what destroyed dj. there's games where dj needs to only play 20 minutes but there's games where he needs to play 30+ minutes. If only DJ, plays on the 4th when he actually have a good game in the first 3 quarters, then maybe we'll get to see more double doubles. None of the Dj haters have yet to name a game that we lost cuz dj played in the 4th. Dj delivers when he plays in the 4th

smittywerb
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DJ definitely has the tools to become a premier center in the league, he just needs the minutes, , free throws, mentality, and consistency. He's raw talent.

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He is. Not sure why some people can't see that. wink

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Its a very good looking shot. It looks a lot like the hook shot Kaman perfected while he was here

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cleepers wrote:
BACON wrote:
I just wish he was a consistent 10-10 Guy... Is that too much to ask?

He is... 10 minutes for $10,000,000.

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He almost mishandled that pass from Crawford. He was expecting an alley-oop, not a bullet pass.

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Playing 17-24 minutes per game? That's a very lofty expectation...

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No doubt about that. His form is better, but he's not getting the results yet.

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Cliptonyte wrote:
BACON wrote:
I just wish he was a consistent 10-10 Guy... Is that too much to ask?

Playing 17-24 minutes per game? That's a very lofty expectation...

He did play 31 minutes last night. Him playing 17-24 minutes per game is a mixture of DJ's inconsistent play and VDN's stubbornness/obsession with Odom.

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Is crazy when u realize he's been in the league for 5 years !

BTW his numbers on 36minper. Are solid he just needs to b consistent

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i think its all mental with dj. sometimes he doesnt go for rebounds on the offensive glass out of fear of getting fouled and sent to the line. if he somehow turned it around at the ft line, i know he would become a top 10 center in this league. i do agree with vdn giving dj more minutes, but its up to dj to make his ft's and not f*** up on defense. consistency is what is eluding him, but if his mental focus is there, he will become an anchor on defense.

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Gosh, the guy plays somewhat solid in ONE GAME and you find it necessary to open a whole thread about that? Come on, it's not as if he had a 20-20 game! The guy is useless and pathetic for 10-12 games in a row...that's something you can discuss in a separate thread!

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It can be frustrating watching DJ at times especially when he is not focused. Most times after a miss/made ft, being admonished, when fatigued. DJ probably should be rotated in and out more frequently IMO...he is more hustle and energy than skill, and to take advantage of that asset he should always be kept fresh.

I think Bled has issues with this but not to the same extent. Both players came out the gate scorching, and have regressed at bit a the season has gone forward, where we see Blake learning to pace himself after going through that his rookie season.

I definitely feel he needs more minutes and more consistantly.

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That is definitely not a correct assement of his play. You might want to look at his minutes and stats recently before making such a sweeping statement.

clippermitch
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We watch every single game and every single play so we see his flaws and weaknesses. We also factor in his salary.

But if you guys look around the league and the kind of $$$ other centers are getting and the production, DJ is actually not bad at all.

Biedrins, Okafor, Perkins, Gortat, and JaVale are a few of the centers in DJ's salary range and you can make an argument he's the best of this group.

Noah, Chandler, Bynum, Howard, M. Gasol, and Al Jefferson are the elite centers but they make a lot more than DJ.

The team doesn't need DJ to be elite and he doesn't have the skill set to be an elite Center either. But if he can become our Tyson Chandler, he would be a awesome!

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U forgot hibbert. 15 mil a year for 9 pts and 8 reb

tense2
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Jefferson is not an "elite" center. Razz

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You know not what you speak. wink

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jarca wrote:
clippermitch wrote:
We watch every single game and every single play so we see his flaws and weaknesses. We also factor in his salary.

But if you guys look around the league and the kind of $$$ other centers are getting and the production, DJ is actually not bad at all.

Biedrins, Okafor, Perkins, Gortat, and JaVale are a few of the centers in DJ's salary range and you can make an argument he's the best of this group.

Noah, Chandler, Bynum, Howard, M. Gasol, and Al Jefferson are the elite centers but they make a lot more than DJ.

The team doesn't need DJ to be elite and he doesn't have the skill set to be an elite Center either. But if he can become our Tyson Chandler, he would be a awesome!

U forgot hibbert. 15 mil a year for 9 pts and 8 reb

You're right. Hibbert will be better next season. The pressure of signing that max deal got him off to a bad start.

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tense2 wrote:
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We watch every single game and every single play so we see his flaws and weaknesses. We also factor in his salary.

But if you guys look around the league and the kind of $$$ other centers are getting and the production, DJ is actually not bad at all.

Biedrins, Okafor, Perkins, Gortat, and JaVale are a few of the centers in DJ's salary range and you can make an argument he's the best of this group.

Noah, Chandler, Bynum, Howard, M. Gasol, and Al Jefferson are the elite centers but they make a lot more than DJ.

The team doesn't need DJ to be elite and he doesn't have the skill set to be an elite Center either. But if he can become our Tyson Chandler, he would be a awesome!

Jefferson is not an "elite" center. Razz

He's in between. 17 points and 10 rebounds is pretty damn good to me.

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That's ridiculous. DJ has been playing well for the most part and is an impact player when on the floor.

CP3Best
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there was a stretch this month for 3-5 games 1-3 pts and 1-3 rebounds in 25 mins, not that much of an impact.

letitbled
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Talk about hyperbole. That's just not true.

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clippermitch wrote:
tense2 wrote:
clippermitch wrote:
We watch every single game and every single play so we see his flaws and weaknesses. We also factor in his salary.

But if you guys look around the league and the kind of $$$ other centers are getting and the production, DJ is actually not bad at all.

Biedrins, Okafor, Perkins, Gortat, and JaVale are a few of the centers in DJ's salary range and you can make an argument he's the best of this group.

Noah, Chandler, Bynum, Howard, M. Gasol, and Al Jefferson are the elite centers but they make a lot more than DJ.

The team doesn't need DJ to be elite and he doesn't have the skill set to be an elite Center either. But if he can become our Tyson Chandler, he would be a awesome!

Jefferson is not an "elite" center. Razz

He's in between. 17 points and 10 rebounds is pretty damn good to me.

There's more to it than just looking at those numbers. You have to go behind them and look at All the numbers, especially the advanced matrix stats to determined just how good a player really is.

tense2
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That' why it's called averaging. wink

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I know what you mean but I'm not a stat geek. I've seen Jefferson play a lot. He has a good post game, can shoot from the outside but he's a black hole and doesn't play defense.

He's scoring 17 points on 48% shooting and 84% from the line. I like that he gets 10 boards a game too. Not saying this is elite but Jefferson's numbers are comparable to Blake's. If DJ was putting up these numbers, we would be the favorites to win it all. But DJ would never get the chance to touch the ball as much as Jefferson let alone shoot 15x a game.

We're getting sidetracked from the original post. My point is DJ is not as bad as everything makes him to be. Yes he can get more rebound and shoot better from the line but at 24 mins a game only, his production is pretty good.

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This we can agree on. Also, if he got minutes (PER 36) he would be very close or the same to what Jefferson is producing at a better efficiency rating...and he's a much better defender.

Oh and DJ is making 4.5 mil less than Jefferson this year. This is a very important number some fans/posters forget to figure in when comparing "numbers".

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hey... even a blind squirrel can find a nut...

CP3Best
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There's a reason DJ only plays 24 mins a night, he's not a consistent threat, You KNOW jefferson is gonna score at least 10 pts every night, otherwise he's having an off night. DJ is inconsistent, and his game is limited.

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CP3Best wrote:
There's a reason DJ only plays 24 mins a night, he's not a consistent threat, You KNOW jefferson is gonna score at least 10 pts every night, otherwise he's having an off night. DJ is inconsistent, and his game is limited.

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Better than Gortat & Okafor? Both are 10-10 guys and can actually hit FT's, well for a center. I would take those 2 over DJ, definitely Gortat, even though Okafor is playing out of position. Javale is more of a push.

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OptimusDimes wrote:
botev1921 wrote:
Gosh, the guy plays somewhat solid in ONE GAME and you find it necessary to open a whole thread about that? Come on, it's not as if he had a 20-20 game! The guy is useless and pathetic for 10-12 games in a row...that's something you can discuss in a separate thread!

That is definitely not a correct assement of his play. You might want to look at his minutes and stats recently before making such a sweeping statement.

To add on to this, there is a lot more to assess how well a player plays than his stats, especially on the defensive end. If you actually watch Jordan play, he can play amazing defense, rotate well, defend the pick and roll well(which he is learning to do very well as he is probably the most athletic center in the league, making it easier for him to hedge screens, switch onto guards, and recover quickly on pick and rolls). And all that would show up in the box score is a couple rebounds and maybe a block or two. Look beyond the stats. He probably had like 3 points, 3 rebounds and 1 block in that fourth quarter against Minnesota, but if you actually watched the game, you could see his impact was much greater than those numbers.

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seanrooks wrote:
OptimusDimes wrote:
botev1921 wrote:
Gosh, the guy plays somewhat solid in ONE GAME and you find it necessary to open a whole thread about that? Come on, it's not as if he had a 20-20 game! The guy is useless and pathetic for 10-12 games in a row...that's something you can discuss in a separate thread!

That is definitely not a correct assement of his play. You might want to look at his minutes and stats recently before making such a sweeping statement.

To add on to this, there is a lot more to assess how well a player plays than his stats, especially on the defensive end. If you actually watch Jordan play, he can play amazing defense, rotate well, defend the pick and roll well(which he is learning to do very well as he is probably the most athletic center in the league, making it easier for him to hedge screens, switch onto guards, and recover quickly on pick and rolls). And all that would show up in the box score is a couple rebounds and maybe a block or two. Look beyond the stats. He probably had like 3 points, 3 rebounds and 1 block in that fourth quarter against Minnesota, but if you actually watched the game, you could see his impact was much greater than those numbers.

Great post seanrooks, totally agree. Not everything shows on the stat sheet and people aren't giving DJ enough credit.

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yeah and it's called Vinny. If VDN knows how to design an offensive set then he wouldnt have to rely on odom so much

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Yeah- what I noticed too is how aggressively he goes into the paint looking for the lob during a fast break. That sucks the defense in and has given the team many open 3's as a result.

He is important too when the Clippers plays against 3 point shooting teams. If the defense is schemed right, you're forcing the shooter to drive and hopefully into a shot-blocker.

And as we saw in Minnesota how the Clippers resorted to jump shots in the 4th quarter and DJ was able to gobble up some key offensive boards. Jumpers result in long rebounds and DJ has a knack for grabbing offensive boards.

So it's a matter of maximizing his strengths- offensive rebounding, shot blocking, and a threat for the lob. And of course he is much improved with his post play inside.

Where he looks bad at times is when he is forced to switch on a pick and roll to guard the small, when Clipper guards throw him passes below his chest, and if he doesn't box out early. And of course the FT's are still under 50%. So for DJ, his teammates and the coaching staff, it's a matter of playing to DJ's strengths and not be put in as situations where he's not as strong yet.

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the way DJ shoots free throws i think he can one day become good at it

that hitch in Blakes shot makes me worry about him tho, i dont think he'll ever be able to better than 70%

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smittywerb wrote:
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Biedrins, Okafor, Perkins, Gortat, and JaVale are a few of the centers in DJ's salary range and you can make an argument he's the best of this group.

Better than Gortat & Okafor? Both are 10-10 guys and can actually hit FT's, well for a center. I would take those 2 over DJ, definitely Gortat, even though Okafor is playing out of position. Javale is more of a push.

I said you can make an argument. DJ blocks shots and throw down lobs. Gortat and Okafor have 2" verticals.

Anyways, DJ is not perfect. In fact, all centers are flawed.

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i agree and disagree. dj has good form, but lacks tough. and u are wrong about BG. for the last week and a half i believe bg is shooting 74 percent from the line. hes now at 65.5 percent and rising. with his work ethic and work with bob thate, he will be a 75 plus percent ft within the next 2 years.

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Griffin is making free throws like layups now, DJ is the only one left to improve fts on our starting lineup.

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I don't think you can make an argument. If a trade was to appear where we could get Gortat/Okafor for DJ straight up then it's a no brainer.

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I would take any center that can rebound over DJ. It is unbelievable that guys like Vucevic, Amir Johnson and Drummond are better than DJ! Drummond, who plays 4 min. less than DJ gets more boards, steals and blocks and scores almost as much from the bench!

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smittywerb wrote:
clippermitch wrote:

I said you can make an argument. DJ blocks shots and throw down lobs. Gortat and Okafor have 2" verticals.

Anyways, DJ is not perfect. In fact, all centers are flawed.

I don't think you can make an argument. If a trade was to appear where we could get Gortat/Okafor for DJ straight up then it's a no brainer.

There would have to be an argument, because if not, why would they make that trade.

I could make an argument, but that is far from what I would call a no brainer.

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I'm just speaking hypothetically, basically saying if we could trade centers for one of those 2 then we should do it.

But I believe the only one that can truly be debated is the Okafor one. But the Gortat is definitely a no brainer. He rebounds, defends, and scores.

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