Clippers Vs. Celtics 02-03-13 Official Game Thread (P. 7)

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I take offense to that. Vinny Del Negro is the greatest mediocre coach of all time.

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The pattern is very disturbing- the once vaunted second unit, getting BADLY outplayed night after night in the second quarter. This game was totally lost int he second quarter- turnover after turnover- couldn't even get off a shot. And at the other end those guys were getting zero stops- either having to resort to fouling to giving up 3's. I was yelling at the TV to have VDN put Bledose back in, but he didn't go in until much later in the second quarter.

The second unit right now- no dribble penetration, no pressure put on the opposing team. They are over-relying on Crawford chucking tough shots from the outside, and that was a good procession considering the alternative was to throw the ball away. If CP3 is not coming back soon, it would be outrageous for VDN to keep the second unit as is because it is garbage right now. You have to have at least Bledsoe in there or Blake Griffin at all times, or else the offense is just so unbalanced and easy to defend.

Good game though obviously by E-Bled. Man he has no court-vision huh? Lol. Same goes for Blake and Caron with good efforts. Jamal was forced to chuck up a lot of tough long 3's, but he definitely turned it on in the 4th.

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Our roster is filled with streaky players. When we're hot we blow teams out. When we're off, we get blown out.

Coaching would definitely help narrow the gap. The problem with VDN is he stays with the normal rotation no matter who we play or what the score is. It's like he's stuck on a "schedule". I would have played the starters as soon as it got away in the 2nd quarter.

10 points in a quarter is unacceptable. Same **** happened in Toronto. Didn't be learn from that?

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Ironically, I still say if we didn't add Paul last year, we'd have seen BG take over a lot more last year, including down the stretch. It would have been a huge growth period for him, I think. But we added Paul in Blake's 2nd year and while he's given BG some easy baskets, he hasn't really been great for Blake's personal improvement. If anything, it's forced BG to take a lot more jumpers than I would necessarily have liked. Now don't get me wrong...adding Paul made us better. But if we're disappointed Blake hasn't turned into that guy who dominates down the stretch, it's because he's not accustomed to it and because we're not giving him the ball where and when he needs it.

I'm also not saying Blake hasn't made some improvements. He totally has. But that's a testament to his work ethic more than anything else.

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idk some people on here think that a coach will want to take over a team more than half way through the season. vdn will be the coach on this team til the offseason. i think some of you think a coach will come in and implement an entire different system without the benefit of training camp and preseason. jeff van gundy and jerry sloan were both asked to take over the nets, and they refused due to wanting to have a full training camp and preseason to implement their game plans. basically what im trying to say is, even if we were to fire vdn, robert pack would be the one most likely replacing him, not a van gundy, phil jackson, mcmillan, or whoever people keep bringing up.

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The once-vaunted second unit has been messed up due to injuries throwing off the rotations.

I'm actually not too concerned about the players. I think they'll be back to winning once everyone's healthy. Getting a guy like KG would be a huge plus, too. My concern is with coaching. We can't be throwing away games like this due to idiocy on VDN's part.

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Uh, yeah. Nobody is really expecting Phil Jackson to take over midseason. But could Robert Pack really do any worse holding down the fort for the rest of the season until we can get a guy like Phil?

Maybe firing VDN now would jumpstart another big streak by sending a strong message to the team. Plus, we know that the players really respect Pack, so I feel they'd respond very strongly to his coaching.

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82-0 wrote:
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The pattern is very disturbing- the once vaunted second unit, getting BADLY outplayed night after night in the second quarter.

The once-vaunted second unit has been messed up due to injuries throwing off the rotations.

Of course the injuries have messed up the rotations- but you can't just keep throwing out the same ineffective unit out there that is costing you games.

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That was BS indeed. He's not getting any calls on drives despite getting bumped hard in mid-air.

The reffing this game was stupid. First it was really tight, then in the 4th until the two minutes it was loose, then it became tight again.

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All I know is watching a good Clippers team continue to lose is downright exhausting.

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So many people gave up on Bledsoe after a few bad games. 20 points, 16 in the second half, 8 assists, 5 rebounds, 1 block.

It's because it never feels he has any control over the offense, let alone the game. Plus, I fear he's turned it on too little too late.

Did you even watch the first quarter? He kept drawing the D and dishing to Caron for open 3's.

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82-0 wrote:
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basically what im trying to say is, even if we were to fire vdn, robert pack would be the one most likely replacing him, not a van gundy, phil jackson, mcmillan, or whoever people keep bringing up.

Uh, yeah. Nobody is really expecting Phil Jackson to take over midseason. But could Robert Pack really do any worse holding down the fort for the rest of the season until we can get a guy like Phil?

Maybe firing VDN now would jumpstart another big streak by sending a strong message to the team. Plus, we know that the players really respect Pack, so I feel they'd respond very strongly to his coaching.

no but people on here keep mentioning firing vdn and hiring someone right after. smh. its not happening. unless the players bring it up to DTS, vdn isnt going anywhere. i also doubt phil comes back to coaching, especially coming to the clips, since hes engaged to jeannie buss. no way would he take the clippers job, even if he cant stand jimmy buss

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And the most boring as well- there were so many stretches of silence it was really odd.

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david wrote:
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Wow, the Celtic's announcers are the biggest crybabies I've ever heard.

And the most boring as well- there were so many stretches of silence it was really odd.

Absolutely. The worst commentators I've ever heard. And that includes the Lakers announcers!

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Yeah I saw the first quarter. He played well today. But he's no leader out there. I'm not talking about nice passes. I'm not even talking about penetration. I'm talking about a guy who can calm the team down when they need it. Or energize the team when they need it. I'm talking about a guy who should have the ball down the stretch instead of the turnover machine that was Jamal Crawford today.

You can keep defending Bledsoe all you want. To do so today when he finally has a great game (again too late) is easy. I've even said to have him in the starting lineup with a veteran leader like Chauncey would be ideal in this situation. But we have no direction with Bledsoe and Green in the backcourt.

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^ i think the flakers and celtics commentators are the biggest homers in the entire nba. by far.

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KezmicClipper wrote:
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Wow, the Celtic's announcers are the biggest crybabies I've ever heard.

Absolutely. The worst commentators I've ever heard. And that includes the Lakers announcers!

I'm pretty sure the color commentary guy was literally crying real tears during certain parts of the game.

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^ tommy heinsohn is a celtics lifer. he was the one probably crying hahaha. legendary celts player, but horrible analyst.

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Did you even watch the first quarter? He kept drawing the D and dishing to Caron for open 3's.

Yeah I saw the first quarter. He played well today. But he's no leader out there. I'm not talking about nice passes. I'm not even talking about penetration. I'm talking about a guy who can calm the team down when they need it. Or energize the team when they need it. I'm talking about a guy who should have the ball down the stretch instead of the turnover machine that was Jamal Crawford today.

You can keep defending Bledsoe all you want. To do so today when he finally has a great game (again too late) is easy. I've even said to have him in the starting lineup with a veteran leader like Chauncey would be ideal in this situation. But we have no direction with Bledsoe and Green in the backcourt.

I'm just stating facts. And last I checked- coaches give direction- coaches calm the team down. I'm confident that if Bledsoe was in there earlier in the second quarter, the game would not have slipped to double digits deficit. It's easy to you to bash him too and ignore his contributions if that's your thing and you want to focus on "leadership". But it's clearly the second unit that's responsible for the bad results lately.

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Bledsoe was definitely the best player on the floor tonight. You have to give credit where credit is due. Its unfortunate all his effort went to waste.

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Coaches ain't on the floor.

It's easy for me to bash Bledsoe because I've seen the last several games. He contributed today. And I'll give you that we lost the game in the 2nd quarter when both Bledsoe and Blake were on the bench.

But I'd rather have Bledsoe score 12-15 points, shooting the ball fairly well, with 5 assists or more and a few steals on a consistent basis and show SOME control out there than to see him have one game like this, and 3 or 4 games where he's shooting abysmally from the field and turning the ball over at an alarming rate.

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^ i would have to agree with david. our lack of direction hurt our offense in the 2nd quarter. and yes, the second unit hurt us today. they picked it up in the second half. but a little too late since the refs did impact the game in the second half

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I've said he played well this game...hell, I even mentioned his +/-. But I'm talking about his overall play during this losing stretch. One great game (in which we lost, btw) does not turn him into a great starter. Plus, there was a moment that really strikes me as memorable. Blake had just made a strong play down low and scored. He was ready and demanding the ball again. Bledsoe was standing right there with the ball and decided not to give it to BG. He just turned to his right and made an awful decision instead. I thought it was at a pretty critical moment. Still the team came back and Bledsoe had much to do with that.

Problem is we haven't had a lot of games like this from Bledsoe. And we won't. CP3 and Bledsoe make a dynamic combo. I'd even love to see a Chauncey/Bledsoe combo...I think that would be awesome. A Bledsoe/Green combo on the other hand exposes all kinds of weaknesses.

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Bledsoe has issues but he was one of the main reason we even got back in this one. Sometimes you have to take the good with the bad. Bled is not asking to be traded to have his own team. I think he realizes he has some growing to do.

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Voyeur wrote:
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I'm just stating facts. And last I checked- coaches give direction- coaches calm the team down. I'm confident that if Bledsoe was in there earlier in the second quarter, the game would not have slipped to double digits deficit. It's easy to you to bash him too and ignore his contributions if that's your thing and you want to focus on "leadership". But it's clearly the second unit that's responsible for the bad results lately.

Coaches ain't on the floor.

It's easy for me to bash Bledsoe because I've seen the last several games. He contributed today. And I'll give you that we lost the game in the 2nd quarter when both Bledsoe and Blake were on the bench.

But I'd rather have Bledsoe score 12-15 points, shooting the ball fairly well, with 5 assists or more and a few steals on a consistent basis and show SOME control out there than to see him have one game like this, and 3 or 4 games where he's shooting abysmally from the field and turning the ball over at an alarming rate.

I've seen the last few games too, and he's the one busting his ass out there all the time. He's not Chris Paul obviously, but he's not the one losing the game- on the contrary- the team is sucking when he's not out there. Coaches ain't on the floor- exactly- coaches are supposed to be on the sideline drawing up better plays and putting out better combos, realize what's not working, and make adjustments.

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exactly.

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You can Add the jazz commentators to that group

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We could not expect to win this game the way we played the first 3quarters, most of these guys look like headless chickens out on the court. The problem with cp3 out it seems this team has lost it's identity nor is there a leader to bark at and knock some sense into these guys, though its near mid season it feels more like preseason there is no chemistry and people are forcing up bad pass after bad shot after bad shot.

Vdn is just a joke, that last play even the commentators were asking what sort of philosophy is this? What it is is stupidly, you can do a lot with 26.x seconds in the nba, would have liked to hear what lawler n smith had to say when they didn't foul, this team is free falling into a black hole right now

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I agree with VDN on the call to not foul and just play solid defense to keep it a 1 procession game. Celtics is a good free throw shooting team. If Pierce didn't hit that long 3, who knows what would have happened. Plus we still had the momentum and they hadn't hit any jumper in a while. In that situation though Barnes shouldn't have laid off Pierce so much when the shot clock was starting to wind down, but yeah it was a kind of a lucky shot what can you do. Best thing would have been to not have fallen behind so much in the first place.

I was disappointed though that the 2 timeouts before that play resulted in a turnover and a bad miss.

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david wrote:
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Vdn is just a joke, that last play even the commentators were asking what sort of philosophy is this? What it is is stupidly, you can do a lot with 26.x seconds in the nba, would have liked to hear what lawler n smith had to say when they didn't foul, this team is free falling into a black hole right now

I agree with VDN on the call to not foul and just play solid defense to keep it a 1 procession game. Celtics is a good free throw shooting team. If Pierce didn't hit that long 3, who knows what would have happened. Plus we still had the momentum and they hadn't hit any jumper in a while. In that situation though Barnes shouldn't have laid off Pierce so much when the shot clock was starting to wind down, but yeah it was a kind of a lucky shot what can you do. Best thing would have been to not have fallen behind so much in the first place.

I was disappointed though that the 2 timeouts before that play resulted in a turnover and a bad miss.

It was a horrible decision not to foul. There was 4 seconds and when the shot goes up and by the time we get the rebound will there be any time left maybe not.

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