Clippers and Celtics in serious talks for KG (updated)

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clippersforlife33
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The Los Angeles Clippers have contacted the Boston Celtics about a potential trade surrounding Kevin Garnett, according to sources.

The two teams were talking ahead of Sunday's game against each other.

The Clippers' offer could include Eric Bledsoe and Caron Butler.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... in-Garnett

i hope this isn't true, what happens to DJ in this scenario?

ekker3
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horrible deal. trading bledsoe and killing chemistry for a rental (assuming kg retires)? no thanks. and if he does stay, his contract is massive

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We should give them DJ instead of Bledsoe or Butler in my opinion. If we gave them Bledsoe and Butler, I think that's too much. I think we ask for a 1st rounder or 2 2nd rounders in return.

If this deal went through, KG or Blake starts at the 5 spot, DJ moves to the bench.

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btw, if bledsoe gets traded, who backs up cp? crawford? ouch - did we not see what happened to him in portland?

clippersforlife33
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my only thing that scares me about trading DJ is not only is he blake griffins best friend but also it would ruin our team chemistry.

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Forget all this best friend bull ish griffin wants to win

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KG would make us championship favorites once healthy. I'm dead serious.

OptimusDimes
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Stupid trade. Kg has already talked about retiring, plus he has stated numerous times he wants to retire a Celt. He and Odom truely cannot stand each other.

Desperation move and sure chemistry killer.

I would love to see how this roster plays with a decent coach.

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How is this a desperation move or a chemistry killer? KG is a tough but respected veteran, just like Chauncey. His mentality fits in perfectly with the identity of this team. KG's wealth of experience would greatly help BG and DJ grow as players. And who do you really trust more in the playoffs - Hollins/Turiaf or Garnett? Case closed.

KG's talking about retiring because the Celtics suck. We're a contender when healthy. If he wants to be here, why wouldn't he ride out his contract with us?

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I'm sorry...what? Bledsoe AND Butler for KG???

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Kg has been talking about retiring before the Cetics sucked.

Kg is not joining this team during all that team bonding during the summer or during that 17 game run...he would be joining at a time where the team and coaching are starting to look shaky.

We were elite and being picked by pundits to win it all. My how we have fallen.

His and Odom's dislike for each other goes way beyond competitive play. I wouldn't bet on them bonding that much with questions if the team might have to choose one or the other after half a season.

In a vacuum Kg is a great pickup...unfortunately.

This is my(just my) definition of a desperation move. He would cost us a boatload and do we think boston gonna give us a pick to take their best overall player off their hands?

ClipperRobbie
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I know I've already been vocal about needing to trade Bledsoe, but I think this deal makes sense for a lot of reasons. I know that one major qualm many people have with this deal is that a few of our players hate KG, but they would love him as soon as he started playing with them and winning games. The trade deadline is on February 21, and that should be enough time for us to get CP3 and Billups back and we won't have to worry about having to have a back up PG. I think this might be the deal we need to win the championship this year...

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Terrible trade , trade VDN for a good team MD /trainer

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I think KG would be a nice enough fit...and I don't even mind losing Butler (I've grown weary of my disappointment over his play). We have other small forwards (Barnes, Hill, maybe even Thompkins...unless he's gained some weight). KG is a better all around player now than DJ may ever be, I'm sad to say.

Two problems:

  1. KG is too old to be considered any sort of long term answer. Sure, winning a championship now would be great. But this team has potential to win in the future.

  2. We would definitely have to sign SOMEBODY as back up point guard. I would miss Bledsoe's steals and rebounding.

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KG has a no trade clause, I doubt it happens.

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Also, KG and Chauncey are best friends. KG is Chauncey's son's godfather. Remind me again of how there'd be chemistry issues?

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Yes please.

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Because Chauncey can't pass KG the ball from the bench? Razz

OptimusDimes
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Just go back and read what I typed. One player does not a team make.

I would have more faith if the guy actually suited up once in a while. Stupid trade IMO

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Once again, Kg has a no trade clause. He wants to retire a celtic. Wont happen. Id love for it to happen, but it won't

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KG does live in L.A. you just never know.

If i was him i would want out specially with rondo out.

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although id love garnett here, no way is he worth ebled and butler. another downside is that this team will keep getting older. i dont want the clips to suddenly become older than the flakers. no way. id love to add another shooter. kyle korver or jj reddick would fit here. but i think we could add korver without giving up too much.

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I say we do it **** it. What is the worse that can happen? I have seen to many things of late that scare me and has made me realize we can't win a championship with the team we currently have. TOO MANY TIMES in offensive possessions NOTHING HAPPENS. Not only do we not score, but we are going back to bad habits of not even getting shots off, turning it over...horrible passes...bricks... it almost seems like we are folding under pressure or whenever a team turns it up on D. In the playoffs when a team turns it up on D we seem to choke (see series against the Sorry ass Spurs last year). If Chris Paul does not have it going we stand no chance and Eric Bledsoe has showed us the last couple of weeks he is not ready to lead a team.

He does not have the discipline of a Chris Paul even though he has his moments.

I would trade DJ and Bledsoe for Garnett and some bum who can shoot...

or Bledsoe and Caron for Garnett ..and then get some bum who can shoot...

That is all we need. We are more a complete team with the acquisition of Garnett and a generic shooter from the NBDL or something than with Caron Butler and Eric Bledsoe.

Think about it... would you guys rather have Caron and Bledsoe (neither of which really get as much PT as they would get on other teams, and we under utilize both of them night in night out) than Garnett?

Garnett is a knock down shooter and has a great all around offensive game in and out of the box that would make up for whatever shots Caron would make.

I SAY DO IT. But first? Consult Chris Paul

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Er- Garnett is great, but if you include Bledsoe - who's going to run the second unit? Who's going to run the first unit when CP3 goes down again? And the team already doesn't have that many 3 point threats- trade away one of our best 3 point shooters in Caron and we'd be even more unbalanced. This would be a very bad trade for the Clippers.

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^ yup. thats why a trade for korver or reddick would make more sense.

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^^I agree- Grant Hill for one of those guys would be great. But that would be messed up since we convinced Grant to sign here. Reddick especially would be great alongside Crawford in the second unit. Not sure who would we give up though? Willie Green + Trey Thompkins plus a future lotto-protected first?

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Good point. I really dont like Grant Hill running the offense. I cringe everytime I see it I feel like changing the channel. Matt Barnes has been shooting horrible and Willie Green too so I mean you are right. We need some damn shooters. If your the opposing team why wouldnt you double Blake if you know no one can knock down a jumper?

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^^Yeah I'm just so tired of these bad shots and turnovers leading to the other team running out- it's like role-reversal lately vs what we've seen the Clipper second unit b4 CP3 went down. If the second unit can execute better offensively and not force these risky passes, then you can calmly setup the defense, and I still think the second unit defense in the half court is pretty decent even w/o E-Bled.

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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

i would definately consider this trade

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agreed. Kevin Garnett is close to 37. His salary is somehwere around 11-12 million per year. If we trade Bledsoe we better get a young shooting guard or small forward and something in addition. Butler and Bledsoe for Garnett is a bad move for us. We could get a killing for Bledsoe

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Celtics seem to be in need of a fresh center...DJ fits their need perfectly. We can throw in Butler and get Courtney Lee back since the Celtics are full of natural SGs. That trade would make a lot of sense for both teams!

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Let's shoot our selves in the foot and get rid of our only uninjured PG,,,,for another forward,,makes a lot of sense,,likes like we are reverting to the Dumbleavy days

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Does Boston even NEED a PG? Seems like they play better "team" basketball without him.

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If we do bledsoe and dj, we'd need to get back Avery Bradley and KG, maybe even a pick

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this is what I'm worried about. Kevin Garnetts salary is huge, and not only are we taking it on in this trade but we would be giving them a young point guard on a rookie contract, very , very bad move for us. If you are reading this DTS please dont make this trade

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How does this help us defend the three at all?

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I'm all for the KG trade if the Clippers don't have to lose DJ because obviously DJ is the future along with Blake and CP3. I'm a big Bledsoe fan but I don't think Bledsoe will re-sign in the future. The Clippers don't have to make this trade just yet because there is still time until Bledsoe is a free agent but KG for Bledsoe and Butler sounds like a descent deal. Blake and DJ will learn a great deal from KG not to mention that KG will bring that intense defensive energy along with that veteran voice and playoff experience.

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And remember this ain't fantasy basketball,,you do a trade like this it can haunt us for years,,losing our PG for a rental forward we don't need and maybe cost us a CP3 because of salaries. To me it sounds like the FO, which isn't really responsible for anything involving this team right now (face it, you all KNOW CP3 and company picked this team) wants to try and make a mark and they have no idea really what they are doing or what our needs really are now. If you want someone,,use that 15th person slot and get what we need.

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Everybody being negative about this particular trade especially because the Clippers will be losing Bledsoe in a time when the Clippers have CP3 and Billups injured... But would you guys maybe pull the trigger on this trade if the trade involved Kevin Garnett and Avery Bradley for Caron Butler, Bledsoe, and Ryan Hollins, Ronny Turiaf, or Trey Thompkins???

By the way, KG's contract will only be for this season and next season because the final year is not guaranteed...

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Why!? Don't trade our second units especally with all of our PG's gone. And plus if we trade Bledsoe, we won't have dynamic change of speed that this team is best at. It's just slow down the team and give other teams, the same look. I won't do it.

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Is it just me or wouldn't Paul Pierce be a better fit for us?

tense2
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Yep...when you let the 26th ranked 3pt team (33.6%) shoot 61% from the 3pt land, the center position is NOT your problem.

tense2
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Yes, we need a starting sg or sf and some who can defend the 3.

JahvonTheClip
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Jimmy Butler seems like he can definitely help

BenjaSands
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I would move anyone but Chris Paul/ Blake or Jamal Crawford if it meant getting Paul Pierce AND Garnett

tense2
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Hope we do not make any hasty moves now.

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I would rather have Paul Pierce. But his status in Boston would make it harder to acquire him and would take more than Butler and Bledsoe to get him. We badly need a consistent threat at one of the wing positions. Butler is just way past his prime and he's younger than Pierce, but Pierce is clearly the superior player.

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There you Go VDN, get another old player. The trend is get old smart players that can play without set plays to cover the lack of a system or person that can implement a system.

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You know, I cringed when I first read this, because I thought it would leave too big a hole at the 1, but thinking about it more, I think it would actually be a good move. DJ moves to the second unit and Garnett starts. Barnes or Grant Hill move to starting SF. When Chauncey and CP3 are back, they both start, but Chauncey comes out earlier, replaced by Crawford. You leave CP3 in a little longer to run the show, then sub Chauncey back in to run the second unit. The times they're both sitting, Crawford, Hill, even Lamar can bring the ball up for small stretches.

Garnett would give great defense (instead of trying to block everything and getting out of position), PLUS legitimate scoring beyond dunks and put-backs. Maybe I'm crazy, but I think it would be a HUGE improvement over the team as constructed, and I already thought we were contenders. DO IT Sacks!

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Trade for Garnett/Bradley for Butler/Bledsoe won't work $ wise unless the Clipps add a player, someone like Hollins or Rony not a big thing.

I heard a rumor that the trade would be for Garnett, Bradley and Lee (that's a better deal), but it would need DJ involved to make the $ work.

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