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lacsmoove
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I heard Philly may want to move Evan Turner.

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boston isnt looking to move KG. just rumors.

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bullterrierclipsfan1349 wrote:
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^ 82-0 is just scared to lose the bet and become 82-1 wink

btw, does anyone else think that Pierce would be a better fit for us than Garnett, because I sure do.

i would have to be in agreement with u. pierce fits better. i still dont think ebled should be traded til after this season, if at all.

Pierce would definetively fit better than Garnett but to get him with the salary he has you have to give too much away.

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Turner would be sweet, but I doubt they'd want some sort of package deal involving Bledsoe. They need offense and BAD

tense2
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Plus they have Holiday.

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Bled + DJ = Vucivic + Affalo

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Vucivic is a freaking animal. Love that dude.

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I'd do Turner for Bledsoe probably although Philly already has a fantastic PG so doubt they do it.

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you want the one of the centers DJ dominate one on one roll

i'll do the deal just to get afflalo cuz i dont trust billups health one bit

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A #2 pick for a #18 pick? The salaries would not match, and up till this point the players almost looked like they should have been switch as far as draft position goes. Turner is a borderline bust because he was picked so high. I think he will carve out a nitche in the NBA, but not for a player who has more promise of becoming a starter.

This is a guy they trade Iggy to give pt to and now they want to trade him?

IMO as far as overall impact Bled is not that far away from Holiday. Holiday has had the pt to grow hone his pg skills.

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I'd do this trade but only in the offseason. Bled is going to be huge for us in the Playoffs. Also Bled for Turner makes a lot of sense for us just maybe not for Philly.

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OptimusDimes wrote:
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I'd do Turner for Bledsoe probably although Philly already has a fantastic PG so doubt they do it.

A #2 pick for a #18 pick? The salaries would not match, and up till this point the players almost looked like they should have been switch as far as draft position goes. Turner is a borderline bust because he was picked so high. I think he will carve out a nitche in the NBA, but not for a player who has more promise of becoming a starter.

This is a guy they trade Iggy to give pt to and now they want to trade him?

IMO as far as overall impact Bled is not that far away from Holiday. Holiday has had the pt to grow hone his pg skills.

Salaries wouldn't match thats true, but this is why we have two TPE's that would match the salaries and give Philly more cap space. We could always toss Philly a 1 year contract guy as well.

I like Turner, I think he's a solid player. I just can't see how or why they would want Bledsoe or where they would use him. They need offense.

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Vucivic is a freaking animal. Love that dude.

you want the one of the centers DJ dominate one on one roll

i'll do the deal just to get afflalo cuz i dont trust billups health one bit

Look again. Vucevic destroyed us both times this year, especially on the boards. DJ had one great game vs Orlando but doesn't mean Vucivic didn't kill it. Although his offense is weak he had 15 and 14 vs us last time and 18 and 15 the time before while DJ scored 10 and had 6 rebounds that time.

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Bled + DJ = Vucivic + Affalo

I'd do this trade but only in the offseason. Bled is going to be huge for us in the Playoffs. Also Bled for Turner makes a lot of sense for us just maybe not for Philly.

I don't think the Magic ever do this. Vucevic has a great contract and is better than DJ. I don't think the difference between Bled and Affalo should make up for that. Vucevic is a beast. He is much better than last season and quality Cs like him are a rarity. His value tbh is probably better than Bledsoe's since he is a C while Bledsoe is a PG(a lot of quality PGs while very few quality Cs).

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[quote="Clippersfan86"

Look again. Vucevic destroyed us both times this year, especially on the boards. DJ had one great game vs Orlando but doesn't mean Vucivic didn't kill it. Although his offense is weak he had 15 and 14 vs us last time and 18 and 15 the time before while DJ scored 10 and had 6 rebounds that time.

Actually it's pretty close when you adjust for mins played for each (except for the FT%). What makes Vucevic so appealing is he's contract. Great production for the $.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... =vucevni01

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... ade01.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... vni01.html

Clippersfan86
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Problem is adjusted for minutes with DJ doesn't work. Why? Because he disappears constantly in the second half of games after quick starts. Not to mention fouls like crazy. Vucevic>>>DJ AND is much cheaper.

tense2
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^Didn't seem to disappear when they met on the 2/6 game.

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Bledsoe for the MAgic's first round pick this year

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Clippersfan86 wrote:
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Vucivic is a freaking animal. Love that dude.

you want the one of the centers DJ dominate one on one roll

i'll do the deal just to get afflalo cuz i dont trust billups health one bit

Look again. Vucevic destroyed us both times this year, especially on the boards. DJ had one great game vs Orlando but doesn't mean Vucivic didn't kill it. Although his offense is weak he had 15 and 14 vs us last time and 18 and 15 the time before while DJ scored 10 and had 6 rebounds that time.

Did u forget that idiot vdn did not play dj on the 4th the first game causing us to lose?

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Being bench in the 4th cuz vdn can't draw up plays is not disappearing

tense2
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DJ fouls .5 more then Vucevic. Doesn't seem crazy to me.

But Yep, Vucevic's current contract does make him more "valuable".

chonkyfire24
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what do you guys think about the clippers trying to acquire jermaine o'neal from the suns? His contract is small, he's going to shoot 50% from the field, he's going to make his FT's, and he's going to get the clippers rebounds. He's exactly what the clippers need to solidify their bench.

he's 6'11 and averaging 15 points, 9 boards per 36 minutes and shooting better than .800% from the FT line with a million dollar contract.

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That is actually a good idea... I know he is banged up a lot, but he did have a monster game for his age the other night. Do we have some mini exemptions? I bet we would have to cut someone to add someone like him.

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tense2 wrote:
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Not to mention fouls like crazy. Vucevic>>>DJ AND is much cheaper.

DJ fouls .5 more then Vucevic. Doesn't seem crazy to me.

But Yep, Vucevic's current contract does make him more "valuable".

Didn't he get into an argument with the Suns GM a little while back too. I think he would be easy to get because I think they would be happy to get rid of him. Maybe a second round pick and Turiaf or Hollins?

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a second round pick and turiaf or hollins is what I was thinking as well. o'neal would be a huge upgrade over both of them and to me, the clippers biggest weakness is turiaf/hollins. How many times have we seen the ball turned over this year by the second unit because crawford or bledsoe is trying to distribute the ball to them? Seems like way to many to me..

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blasana wrote:
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Not to mention fouls like crazy. Vucevic>>>DJ AND is much cheaper.

DJ fouls .5 more then Vucevic. Doesn't seem crazy to me.

But Yep, Vucevic's current contract does make him more "valuable".

Didn't he get into an argument with the Suns GM a little while back too. I think he would be easy to get because I think they would be happy to get rid of him. Maybe a second round pick and Turiaf or Hollins?

Don't think the Clipps want to take on O'Neal.

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why is that? is he a headcase or something? He seems like he has a bad rep for no real legitimate reason.

It makes sense to get him. The clippers desperately need depth in the front court and the guy can play, and he'll be playing for about 1m.

The clippers don't need to make some big deal and dump EB. that would be a mistake, and the only reason these conversations have been happening is because of a knee jerk reaction during CP's little vacation.

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He has played pretty poorly the last two seasons before that and is injury prone and always misses games now. He looks good and is playing a lot more due to the Suns medical staff. Once he leaves the Suns sanctuary he will turn back into a corpse. lol

I am not even joking the Suns medical staff is that good. They even helped Shaq make a mini comeback.

chonkyfire24
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ok i see your point. the clipps really need front court depth though and I would hate to see them trade bledsoe this year to get it. i just figure with o'neal's contract perhaps that is a feasible route to go if the priority is keeping EB on the team.

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Uh oh. The most reliable sources in the world (Yahoo Sports guys) Wojo and Spears both reporting these talks are very serious right now.

@WojYahooNBA

Y! Sources (w/ @SpearsNBAYahoo): Celtics, Clippers discussing deal centered on Kevin Garnett for Bledsoe, Jordan.

Stupid deal! We better be getting another young piece like Bradley for that. KG may retire in the next two years and we will have traded away our only young high upside players outside of Blake. Clippers won't be stupid enough to do this deal by itself. I'm all for moving Jordan+Bledsoe for something like KG+Lee which is likely what the deal would be.

If we give BOTH DJ and Bledsoe we better freaking be getting Lee and a pick back. Or we lose ALL future upside outside of Blake.

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i hate the idea of this deal but if it happens it better include an unprotected first round pick. How would acquiring lee work, wouldn't that put them way over the cap?

i would really hate to see this trade happen though. they need to hold on to bledsoe and trade him next year IMO.

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Lee and Garnett and you got yourself a deal Wink

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Even though Deandre hasn't quite taken the step we have been hoping for, he's still a 24 year old super athletic 7 footer who's still improving (albeit at a slow pace, but look at Tyson Chandler, he's a late bloomer). Plus, the little things like chemistry or the emphatic dunks/lobs that DJ throws down really make him a great fit for the clippers (CP has made it clear that he likes having Deandre on the team).

What happens if the clippers go through with this trade and DONT win it all? .......Since when are we in win now mode?

The clippers have to ink Paul to a new deal this summer, KEEP Deandre, and trade Bledsoe for a young SG or SF. That way, the clippers have a chance to contend for the next 4-7 years rather than just these next 2 seasons.

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As long as the clippers have cp3 and Blake they will always be contender status...DJ is not a major piece in my opinion

That being said I agree we need an athletic wing like lee who can play defense on the perimeter

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KG is still arguably the best defensive big in the league. Miles more impactful than DJ on the defensive end. I don't like it that much since KG won't necessarily help us with our 3 point defense and he won't help us spread the floor but if Billups can stay healthy that might not be a problem.

At least KG will help us with his illegal screens and his defense is always helpful even though our interior defense is already pretty great.

This is a high risk high reward move. It can put us over the top. If we can stay healthy this makes us favorites but its risky with our injury prone players and if KG doesn't pan out were left with no DJ and Bledsoe.

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Vinny pushing for the deal, Clippers front office is mostly against it according to reports.

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f*ck that this will be a chemistry killer. right when DJ is finally starting to show some signs you wanna trade him? broussard said that its vinny whos willing to trade bledsoe and DJ for garnett but the clippers front office is totally against the move and the front office does have the final say. when garnett ends up retiring, what do we do next? whos going to be our center? center is the weakest position in the league by far and when we have someone as young as DJ you still have to wait and see what happens next with him because he has improved a lot in my opinion and I'm one of the people who hated DJ.

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I say if we get Courtney lee with Garnett you do it...upgrade at center and wing ....but trading both Jordan and Bledsoe for a 1 year rental alone does not entice me one bit

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Same. Although if he retires we have a ton of cap space this summer with only Griffin+CP3+Crawford on the books. Can afford a max player and some role players.

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vinny wants to do it, FO doesn't.... i don't think I like this deal just cause of how young dj and bled are. if we get back bradley AND lee, then do it.

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Clippersfan86 wrote:
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I say if we get Courtney lee with Garnett you do it...upgrade at center and wing ....but trading both Jordan and Bledsoe for a 1 year rental alone does not entice me one bit

Same. Although if he retires we have a ton of cap space this summer with only Griffin+CP3+Crawford on the books. Can afford a max player and some role players.

Yeah, I think most of us would accept the deal if we get a nice young piece along with KG.

I'm really starting to take the LBJ scenario seriously now. Bron, CP3 and Blake is a guaranteed multiple-title big 3.

I would literally line up Sterling, Roeser, Sacks, Vinny and kiss their arses one by one if the Clips can pull it off.

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Best trade scenarios

  1. KG for DJ

  2. KG/Bradley/Lee for DJ/Bled/Green

  3. KG/Pierce for DJ/Bled/Caron

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cleepers wrote:
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I say if we get Courtney lee with Garnett you do it...upgrade at center and wing ....but trading both Jordan and Bledsoe for a 1 year rental alone does not entice me one bit

Same. Although if he retires we have a ton of cap space this summer with only Griffin+CP3+Crawford on the books. Can afford a max player and some role players.

Yeah, I think most of us would accept the deal if we get a nice young piece along with KG.

I'm really starting to take the LBJ scenario seriously now. Bron, CP3 and Blake is a guaranteed multiple-title big 3.

I would literally line up Sterling, Roeser, Sacks, Vinny and kiss their arses one by one if the Clips can pull it off.

LBJ, CP3, BG would be a dynasty. The amount of titles they could win....

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I actually wish this trade rumor would do already. Don't break up our crew now that we are all healthy! I don't want garnett. Dj has his flaws but I feel like he is the heart of the team. I this going to happen??

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I hate the idea of losing DJ who everyone seems to love having around for his jokes and personality. It's just a matter of time before we lose Bled. Chemistry has been awesome this year. That being said, KG knocking down 15-18 footers consistently would give defenses fits. Not to mention he can still score from the post. Not to mention his passing ability (used to be a legit point forward). And his great defense... tough tough call. Wouldn't be upset either way. Except my girlfriend loves DJ so I dunno if I could get her to watch another game if he's gone. She'll be heart broken. I think I would prefer keeping this team together and seeing how far they can go.

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Wait...If DJ is the heart of our team than I want Bypass surgery. KG has the heart of a Champion.

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We don't need another old timer. The only way is take garnett is if we get pierce

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This is funny because Vinny was a part of that FO. This is really a tough call because DJ is getting there but who knows if he will ever really get there.

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I think we can get a better haul than garnett over the summer for bledsoe and anyone we wish to trade

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sorry but you guys are talkin' crazy talk.... KG is half done, Pierce is borderline ready to implode, Courtney Lee hasn't blown up anywhere near what Jamal has, and Avery Bradley is an injury concern....

agree that DJ is the heart and soul, the glue of this team.... CP3 is the man, but Jordan's intangibles are what has helped this team get to where it is.... he is the happiest/most smiley player in LA since Earvin, has great body language on and off the court, plays way better interior defense at the 5 than KG ever will, and for all y'all that keep having a problem w/his FTs, you need to put some Wilt in your DVD and go back in time some.... dude's a friggin' center, they miss FTs, they have off nights offensively, and.... come playoffs, you can't live w/o 'em.... DJ's O has improved at a minimum twofold, the team is playing so much better it's laughable, and luckily enough for us, our FO ran the table during the offseason, and....

that's comin' from a guy that was all about trading DJ and Soe to Ptown for picks, and for bringin' in Courtney Lee before Jamal.... props to Gary and Donald, and Vinny.... keep DJ in for the fourth.... he's one of our horses, and we have no choice but to ride him as far as he'll help to take us in the playoffs.... OKC and Miami are no joke....

if we make a trade it needs to be w/Hollins for a bruiser/banger pf/c, that plays rugged playoff/championship caliber ball.... Turiaf stays, at least in my book....

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