Clippers and Celtics in serious talks for KG (updated) (P. 2)

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jtwinnaz
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im with you, we would be the favorites for the title, but i want to see the actual offer first.

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KG doesn't make us favorites. We lose our greatest strength in bledsoe crawford combo off bench and we would have to swing Barnes into the starting lineup. This depletes our bench. Also KG is just a *****

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If the trade includes Lee then it makes our starting unit better.

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More it sits, more I'm all for this

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yea i dont know if i'd be okay with matt barnes starting at the 3 spot. the dude was unreal from the start of the season but now he's starting to look like the matt barnes who we all thought we were getting when we signed him. grant hill is too old too old to be our starting SF and if he ends up starting there goes our depth. i hope their exploring more trade offers for bledsoe because in the long run were going to need a SG because we already have DJ as our center

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really? why? we lose youth, get older and get tied up with a bigger contract unless they throw in bradley or some other piece we are the suckers in this trade

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If we're trading for KG, it would have to be DJ. He barely gets on the court now with Odom. He'll be riding the bench like Hollins and Turiaf.

DJ, Butler, and future pick for KG and Lee.

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no picks should be included at all.

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Rather trade Odom, Butler, Bledsoe for KG, Bradley and Lee. That would be a good deal for both teams.

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Vinny would never let LO go, just like in regular games

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Don't count on it if it meant getting that 3 some.

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How about we trade VDN for Doc Rivers? Haha

Lets just see how the season plays out. When healthy, I don't think we need to make any moves.

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You guys are really under valuing Odom. He's a ball mover, rebounder, blocks shots, and is beginning to find his shot. Without him, our bench is full of ball stoppers. Getting rid of Odom is gutting our bench.

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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b97fgqn

PLEASE.

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Don't think DJ gets traded.

Clippersfan86
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DJ+Bledsoe+Butler+Odom for KG+Pierce. I'd do it immediately, even at their advanced ages. We would immediately be title favorites for the next 2-3 years.

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Dj is a center with potential and durability, thats pretty rare. I doubt we trade him. Bledsoe, butler, hollins for kg and lee/bradley

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I'm reluctant to make permanent moves...but I not against a ten day contract as I have said.

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i think we should keep bled, because we all know he is a great backup behind CP3

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Oh no! Please no! If it was a 34 year old KG then I would do this trade in a heart beat. Besides do we really need a center? I'm not saying DJ is amazing, but he's doing fine and very durable for a guy that is so athletic. DJ can be a 10 10 guys if Vinny gives him more minutes. Bledsoe is our biggest trade bait, and I don't wanna waste it. KG is like 37 years old, yeah sure he might make us better, but if we don't win a ring this year then what's gonna happen? If we let go of Bledsoe then we better get a SG. Billups is done next year, Jamal is not a starter type. I want Courtney Lee though. This is me being bias, but man I really can't stand KG's personality. I don't care if he's the type of guys you hate to be against and love to have on your team. Just NO

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KG is still the best impact defender in the ENTIRE NBA according to differentials and metrics. Then you factor in his reliable scoring, rebounding and playmaking in limited minutes? He would be a MASSIVE boost to our team, don't get it twisted. I'd love to have another junkyard dog on our team who doesn't give a fu** and wants to kill people. So his attitude would be a welcome addition, not an issue. CP3 would love his tenacity as that's something they both share with the old school greats.

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well said but adding another 36+ year old guy still bothers me. I mean what about the future?

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The future should be through free agency. If CP3 signs, then we have 2 superstars for the next 5 years. I'll compare it to the Shaq/Kobe lakers...Free agents might/should take less money to come play here and try and win a championship.

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Couple things here, first let's address the KG for Butler/Bledsoe rumors.

First thing I think of here is, will DJ come off the bench and Blake & KG split time at the PF/C spot? Or will KG play the 3? He's lost the quickness he had years ago to play the 3 spot and I can't think of anyone on our team to start at the 3 spot outside of Matt Barnes maybe, but that sorta ruins this whole bench thing VDN has going on. Otherwise he'd be a genius and would have been starting Bledsoe or Barnes at the 2 instead of Willie Green all damn year.

2nd, I know there has to be more in this trade than these 3 guys mentioned. The salaries don't match, were still like 3-4 mill less than what Garnett makes a year. I'm assuming we toss in another player and do we have TPE's? If we do I think they are super small. Maybe we send them like Trey Thompkins or Ryan Hollins too, who knows.

While this may be a move to pursue that WIN NOW feeling, what happens after the season if we win or if we don't? Grant Hill and Chauncey in all honesty would BOTH probably retire. That'd be sweet for them to go out on top, but we'd lose 2 key players on our team. But we'd shed their contracts from the salary cap. KG probably wouldn't retire, but he's making 12 mill next year, if he does retire ( while it's a slim chance ) we just tossed away a capable SF, a monster PG in Bledsoe for a 1 year rental guy. KG may not even make it the rest of the season either.

Boston apparently hates Rondo, and this would probably mean Boston is going to trade Rondo maybe before the deadline as you CAN trade an injured player if the other team agrees to it. I still say we ask for something else from Boston if the trade happens. I'd love Avery Bradley, who is massively similar to Bledsoe, but not nearly the monster he is. Bradley is a lock down defender and can play the 1 and the 2. But he's a bit small to play the 2.

I'd maybe ask for a protected 1st rounder, or THIS years 2nd rounder to get some instant gratification from the Celtics, pending they do have a 2nd rounder this year.

I think we can get something better for Bledsoe and I'll cap that up in a post following this one. But someone asked the question earlier, who plays PG if Bledsoe is gone when CP3 is out? Crawford? The offense literally wouldn't run at all, Crawford would take the ball up, kill the clock and cross someone over and try to shoot. Chauncey could do it but he's not even healthy at this point, nor will he be available EVERY single time CP3 isn't in the game.

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Onto my next beef with this rumor...

Bledsoe has great value. His shooting % is low, but look at Grevis Vasquez. He's shooting I think like 41% from the field. But he's getting 4.5 boards and 9+ assists a night on a crappy team that isn't full of high percentage shooters. Shooting % isn't everything when your looking at a PG. Jamaal Tinsley is a horrible shooter but got 2 steals a night and 7-10 assists a game. Bledsoe can probably get 43-47% shooting on a full year as a starter, hit 30+% of his 3pters and shoot 70-75% from the line. While getting a ton of rebounds, 2-3 steals a night and nearly a block a game playing the PG spot. That's pretty damn great if you ask me.

But why all the Garnett rumors? Did we get instantly shot down by Atlanta whose been known to wanting to move Josh Smith for like 4-5 years now? Smith can play the 3 or the 4, and has been having to play the 4 for years because Atlanta lacks a true center. I think we make an offer to Atlanta to bring in Josh Smith and Kyle Korver and we offer em up DJ, Bledsoe and Butler for those 2. Horford can move to the 4 spot where he belongs, Bledsoe can play PG/SG alongside Jeff Teague, DJ at Center and Butler can play the 3. Atlanta is probably hating that Devin Harris deal they have and with Lou Williams out for the rest of the year they may need some help.

It also wouldn't be a bad idea to pursue a 3-team deal with Atlanta and maybe try to send them DJ and Butler for Smith, and send Bledsoe somewhere else, and have that 3rd team send Atlanta something else. Like maybe Sacramento...

The deal would look something like this.

LAC get: Kyle Korver ( SF ), Josh Smith ( SF/PF ) Aaron Brooks ( PG )SAC 2nd rounder this year or next year

Sacramento gets: Eric Bledsoe ( PG/SG ) LAC 1st rounder next year

Atlanta gets: DeAndre Jordan ( C ) Caron Butler ( SF ) Jimmer Fredette ( PG/SG ) LAC 2 TPE's worth I think 3 mill in total protected 1st rounder SAC ( top 15 next 2 years, top 10 3rd year, top 5 4th year, unprotected 5th year ).

I got a little complicated, but these trades aren't always 2 guys for 1 guy, 3 guys for 4 guys etc. You get the idea.

Blake can just get moved to the 5. Who cares really, he only plays 32 MPG this year anyways. DJ is sucky and were way overpaying him. We get a SG/SF in Korver who is probably the best 3pt shooter in the league, whose playing pretty good defense this year surprisingly enough, and his 5mill contract comes off the books next year. Smith is up for a new contract next year anyways, but we'd have the cap room to sign him I believe with DJ and Caron gone. I think he'd welcome the non stop alley oop festival here, and the fact he's playing in a giant market on a great team. Brooks would just be here as insurance to play spot PG/SG duty when Chauncey and CP3 aren't in.

We can use the 2nd rounder from Sacramento to draft a PG in round 2 in the draft.

Sacramento gets an actual PG and can move forward in life with a core group of T-Robinson, Cousins, Evans and Bledsoe and a 1st rounder next year to work with. Probably won't be a high pick, but hey better than nothing.

Atlanta gets an actual Center, a temporary SF replacement in Caron and Fredette who can help replace the 3pters lost by Korver, but can play play PG/SG with Lou Williams out.

Atlanta takes on some salary cap with the additions of DJ and Butler, but Butler can just be given amnesty next year if you wanna free up that 7 mill. They only have 18 mill on the books for next year guaranteed and will have plenty of wiggle room to pursue anyone they please. They get a future 1st rounder from Sacramento which could be promising and a few mill in TPE's from us from the Cp3 trade.

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free agents already have taken less money to play here. See Grant Hill, Jamal Crawford, Chauncey, Turiaf, Barnes etc.

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There's actually another few things I can't fathom with this possible trade. Why the HELL would we consider doing this trade with neither Chauncey or CP3 healthy? Even if Chauncey comes back this week, he won't be playing at even 75% capacity until March 1st. And he'll likely be on limited MPG ( 25 ) the rest of the way out to keep healthy for the playoffs.

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KG has a "no-trade"clause in his contract, and would have to agree to waive it in order to make a deal happen. Possible but not probable.

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http://www.examiner.com/article/kevin-g ... pers-close

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1514 ... -the-works

I just found this today, i don't know how true. but above are the links and there is more.

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saw this on carons twitter, not sure what he actually means but perhaps maybe the team might of notified him that he might be traded?

Caron Butler ‏@realtuffjuice

On deck and ready for whatever...#Stamp #goodnight

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A poster on another board claims the Celtics are the ones that approached this deal. Garnett would be on board with going to the Clippers. The deal would be something like Odom/Butler/Bledsoe for Garnett/Bradley/Lee.

Poster also says the Clips like the idea of adding Garnett, but are really looking to move Bledsoe for a young wing that could grow with CP3, Griffin, and Jordan.

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I like this idea but we are getting older, hopefully cP3 will stay next season so we have younger player together with blake and DJ in the coming years.

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You see the details of this trade keep getting changed as time goes on. originally ESPN and other sources were saying the talks only involved Kevin Garnett, which would be a huge scam in my opinion. The only way we should take on Garnetts salary and lose Bledsoe is if we can get young guys in return along with Garnett. Adding Lee and Bradley would make the deal worth it.

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I just hate disrupting the chemistry that we built with cp3 in the starting lineup. If the guys want to stay together they need to play like it. No more "low energy" excuses.

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BTW who will be our back up if Bledsoe will go, Chauncey is always injured if he will take the back up PG., Jamal is not effective as PG.

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A poster on another board claims the Celtics are the ones that approached this deal. Garnett would be on board with going to the Clippers. The deal would be something like Odom/Butler/Bledsoe for Garnett/Bradley/Lee.

This would be the ideal trade in my opinion. We can afford to lose Lamar because his inability to finish at the rim, make shots or score in general is going to hurt us in the playoffs, I really like Caron but he is replaceable, with Bledsoe we are not going to be able to afford him if we sign CP3. Even if we do, like I have said in other threads it is not worth paying him as much as he would be asking for for 15-20 minutes a game it is really ridiculous so it seems like he is leaving regardless why not get something in return?

Garnett - He has slowed down a bit but he normally turns it up in the playoffs and unlike DJ, he can post up, he has a nice fadeaway jumper from the post, he is money from mid range, he has an offensive arsenal like something we have never seen for a C or PF on our team. Where would this help? In our halfcourt when we cant just dunk the ball or lay it up.

Avery Bradley - he is one of the most overrated guys in the NBA but I mean he has been struggling with the Celtics so I can see why they want to include him. He is a pretty bad shooter but from what I have heard he is more a defensive weapon and from what I have seen he can knock down open 3s and is a driver.

Lee - Remember we wanted him for how long during the off season? He has been struggling with the Celtics and Celtics fans really hate the guy cause of it. We already know what Courtney Lee can do.

This would be a dream trade if it would happen and one of the best yet. Even better now so the guys can gel and get in a groove. What about the PG right now that cp3 is out? Well it probably have to end up being Avery Bradley with Grant Hill backing him up. Remember, if this were to happen it would not be for the regular season, THE CLIPPERS are thinking PLAYOFFS and acquiring the necessary weapons to make a deep run, we gotta support that

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If we get Garnett and keep DJ, there's really no use for Odom. Garnett is basically a much better version of Odom. The things Odom gives us next to Griffin and DJ (defense, passing, ball handling, supposed outside shooting) Garnett gives, and more. A 3 man big rotation of Jordan, Griffin and Garnett is really good and will have no use or space for Odom.

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^KG used to be a better version of Odom, not sure how much he has left in the tank.

The fact that KG would consider waiving his no trade clause to come here speaks volumes about the changed perception of the Clippers league- wide, and how far this franchise has come.

But ... Sterling is still the owner, and given his track record, we old time long suffering Clippers fans still think it can get it all screwed up by DTS in a moment.

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Im for a deal if it involves bradley and Lee, but only getting back Garnett, as is currently the rumors most sources are suggesting, is a huge mistake.

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seanrooks wrote:
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You guys are really under valuing Odom. He's a ball mover, rebounder, blocks shots, and is beginning to find his shot. Without him, our bench is full of ball stoppers. Getting rid of Odom is gutting our bench.

If we get Garnett and keep DJ, there's really no use for Odom. Garnett is basically a much better version of Odom. The things Odom gives us next to Griffin and DJ (defense, passing, ball handling, supposed outside shooting) Garnett gives, and more. A 3 man big rotation of Jordan, Griffin and Garnett is really good and will have no use or space for Odom.

Who would be coming off the bench? Jordan? That would ruin any confidence he has. I don't see Garnett waiving his no trade clause for coming off the bench either.

PLUS, the Celtics would NEVER take Odom in fear of a repeat of what happened in Dallas.

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Can anyone post the insider article?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/ ... in-garnett

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I do not know how i feel about this.

I think CP3 being out is putting us in panic mode. With CP we are a completely different team. Bledsoe had great numbers yesterday against the Celtics, but at the end of the game he cannot get us good shots like CP can. That has been a huge difference for us.

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Don't see this deal happening.

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The game was lost when bledsoe wasn't in the game. Bledsoe is not cp3 or anything close passing wise, but that's just not fair.

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What they "need" is to trade Pierce and KG to contenders and start the rebuilding process. The Celtics are going nowhere fast and need to get younger. Quite frankly, they should have done that two years ago.

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According to the LA Times, the Clippers aren't trying to acquire KG right now.

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Yep, more Internet rumor B.S. Bledsoe not going anywhere until Paul signs on the dotted line. Maybe in the off season this might be one of the avenue's explored by the Clipps...maybe.

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Just something to add to the conversation. Do you guys think he is referring to the trade?

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Hope he's referring to him and Chauncey coming back ASAP, like for the Heat game.

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I will start a new thread for it

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