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I'm honestly tired of being called out for worrying or openly complaining about the obvious decline of this team. Throughout this whole time I was being told to calm down and that this was nothing to worry about. Well guess what... the time to "panic" and or worry is here. Do you guys know that just 3 more losses on this road trip and we can literally find ourselves in the 6 or 7 seed? Or that we were the number 1 seed just 3 weeks ago?

Clippers (34-16) are now just two games ahead of the Memphis Grizzlies (30-16) for the 3-seed, with the Golden State Warriors (30-17) and Denver Nuggets (30-1 8) also nipping at their heels. What this means is before we know it... we can lose not only home court advantage but draw a first round matchup like GS which will be a nightmare scenario for the opening round. The teams with HCA in the playoffs win something like 65 or 70 percent of the time last I saw.

To make matters more troubling.... Billups, CP3 and Griffin may all return next weekend but it may not matter by then because the teams right on our heels are rolling big time lately and the Spurs and Thunder continue to win and widen the gap. In other words unless multiple teams start losing while we go off another 10+ game win streak we may be stuck without HCA.

This doesn't even mention the fact that half of our team is made of glass and we will likely have 2 guys out at a time all year long. If you're wondering what my point is... it's that people need to stop telling myself and others that we have no room to complain. Stop automatically assuming things will fix themselves. Bottom line is this team needs changes and wait and see strategy won't work.

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i agree

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Well at least it is nice to see the FO do something with their time, heard we're interested and throwing our hat around for Garnett.

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Fire Jason Powell. He's the root of all this.

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Isn't he an assistant coach?

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It seems like almost a repeat of last year: injuries at the wrong time, losing ground in the rankings and possible nightmare matchups against tough foes.

My confidence in the clippers right now is not high. This is by far one of the most difficult seasons to watch. At least the old days were not frustrating because we knew we didnt have a good roster, so losing was at least understandable. Now we have the best squad in the NBA and the best bench, yet 3 starters are out (Blake, Chris, Chauncey) and one of our bench players is playing through a broken nose (Crawford).

I guess i just fell victim to underestimating how physically taxing the NBA season can be.

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KG thing is supposedly a complete lie. Putting together a good team in the offseason is the easy part. Real GM's like Kupchak are proven when they have the balls to pull the trigger on coaching and player changes DURING the season when **** hits the fan. This team needs to have that same kind of win at all costs attitude.

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I'm honestly tired of being called out for worrying or openly complaining about the obvious decline of this team. Throughout this whole time I was being told to calm down and that this was nothing to worry about. Well guess what... the time to "panic" and or worry is here. Do you guys know that just 3 more losses on this road trip and we can literally find ourselves in the 6 or 7 seed? Or that we were the number 1 seed just 3 weeks ago?

Clippers (34-16) are now just two games ahead of the Memphis Grizzlies (30-16) for the 3-seed, with the Golden State Warriors (30-17) and Denver Nuggets (30-1 8) also nipping at their heels. What this means is before we know it... we can lose not only home court advantage but draw a first round matchup like GS which will be a nightmare scenario for the opening round. The teams with HCA in the playoffs win something like 65 or 70 percent of the time last I saw.

To make matters more troubling.... Billups, CP3 and Griffin may all return next weekend but it may not matter by then because the teams right on our heels are rolling big time lately and the Spurs and Thunder continue to win and widen the gap. In other words unless multiple teams start losing while we go off another 10+ game win streak we may be stuck without HCA.

This doesn't even mention the fact that half of our team is made of glass and we will likely have 2 guys out at a time all year long. If you're wondering what my point is... it's that people need to stop telling myself and others that we have no room to complain. Stop automatically assuming things will fix themselves. Bottom line is this team needs changes and wait and see strategy won't work.

It seems like almost a repeat of last year: injuries at the wrong time, losing ground in the rankings and possible nightmare matchups against tough foes.

My confidence in the clippers right now is not high. This is by far one of the most difficult seasons to watch. At least the old days were not frustrating because we knew we didnt have a good roster, so losing was at least understandable. Now we have the best squad in the NBA and the best bench, yet 3 starters are out (Blake, Chris, Chauncey) and one of our bench players is playing through a broken nose (Crawford).

I guess i just fell victim to underestimating how physically taxing the NBA season can be.

Agree 100 percent. More painful than ever before because of how high of a bar this team has set. I also agree same as last year we lost serious ground and never recovered (ending up the 5 seed after being 3 and 4 most of the year). Except last year we lost it in Feb-March.

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We dont though DTS has never done that. Do you remember Dunleavy? He was never fired as coach, he stepped down and saved the team some unnecessary ridicule. It wasnt until a little while later that DTS fired Dunleavy from his GM role. I dont see him doing anything different with VDN. He will be coach here until it is too late.

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Honestly I don't think changing the coach will help, who will we get? Sloan, McMillan those washed up guys that can't coach? Lakes changed Brown with dumbtoni and they're still garbage.

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He's the head athletic trainer for the Clippers. Just why do you think these injuries last longer than expected for the past 14 years? These day to day injuries turn into week to week, sometimes even a month.

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I agree. Vinny will likely be on one year contracts for the next 5 years until our championship window is long closed. DS has been willing to spend on players because they bring him more profit anyways but he has never been willing to spend on good coaches. Plus he has a man crush on Vinny.

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Oddly enough the Phoenix Suns staff of all people have complimented ours as also being one of the best medical staff I saw in an article last year in LA Times. I think Grant Hill said that the Suns trainers said he's in good hands and that the Clippers staff is elite as well. All I know is.... that's a lie. Every injury is day to day which actually translates to weeks or months as Griffinforpresident said.

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I think im going to have to take somewhat of a hiatus from watching the clippers right now. Its bad for my health, these last few weeks have probably taken off years from my life span due to stress from these losses cry

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CP3Best wrote:
Isn't he an assistant coach?

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pageC4 wrote:
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I agree. Vinny will likely be on one year contracts for the next 5 years until our championship window is long closed. DS has been willing to spend on players because they bring him more profit anyways but he has never been willing to spend on good coaches. Plus he has a man crush on Vinny.

I think im going to have to take somewhat of a hiatus from watching the clippers right now. Its bad for my health, these last few weeks have probably taken off years from my life span due to stress from these losses cry

Same.. I'm thinking about a good two week break. I doubt CP3/Billups will immediately boost the team until they get back into shape. Probably a good two more weeks of Deja Vu heartbreak and I take this losses way too hard like you.

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Grillinnap wrote:
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Isn't he an assistant coach?

lol

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I consider this a lost season. I don't mean to sound negative, but I'm just waiting for the playoffs to finish, us getting KOed in the 2nd round again, and hiring a real coach in the off season. I don't even take the team seriously anymore, we won't do anything in the playoffs. On both offense and defense, we are literally walking in there without any systems, and just winging it. It's been like that for the last 3 years. We play the style in which a rebuilding team with young talent plays. The coach lets the young guys do what they do to build confidence and develop. Vinny's not a coach that can take it any further than that, not even a little bit further.

We're literally at a stand still right now, not able to take the next step until we get a coach that can take us there and help the team evolve.

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I certainly am not one of the oldest fans. I became a fan in 2001, and i have been trhough some crap times and seen some crap situations. Its different for every Clippers fan, but I can only speak for myself when I say that being a fan since 2001 has allowed me to witness so much futility that when we are presented with a roster such as this one you become less tolerant of these losing trends. Maybe its because you know that such a roster may not come around agains and we seem intent on pissing away this opportunity

Even without Chris Paul this team should have won some of these games, and this supposed deep team is not playing to its potential.

For once in my time as a Clippers fan I have witnessed a Clippers team hold the best record in the entire league yet watch them lose it just as quick as it had been earned. its like the ultimate heartbreak watching the streaky nature of this team.

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The problem is that we dont have the luxury of a "next year" mantra. First and foremost CP3 still hasnt given us his decision. I am willing to bet that if we exit in the second round again he is gone.

Also, even if Paul does resign some of our starters (most notable Billups and Butler) and bench (Barnes, Crawford, Hill) are 32+ years old. They are not exactly spring chickens that have a five year window. At this stage in their careers Butler, Billups, and Hill's best years are behind them, and tsome of these guys cant exactly stay in the lineup due to nagging injuries.

We have this year as our window, and i say this because if we dont get farther than the 2nd round Paul is gone. Should Paul leave we already know how bad this team is without him, and its not like we have a cast of young guys available (actually we onyl have Griffin, Jordan, and Bledsoe- exclude them and we have a pretty old team).

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Fire Jasen Powell

Fire Vinny

Trade for KG and Pierce

???

Profit!

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I agree. Unless the spurs and thunder suffers devastating injuries, the 1 and 2 spot is sewed up. I don't see them slowing down at all. At this point, we are playing for the 3 seed and we are losing that spot as we speak.

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Its extremely sad to see this team literally fall apart right in front of our eyes. As fast as this team came together, its falling apart faster .... SMH... The author ( ClipperFan86) hit it dead on the money with his post. Why is this happening? Are all us Clipper fans being forever punished? It sure as hell seems like it... Evil or Very Mad

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This is what separates OKC and the Spurs from us. They may lose a game or two.. but ALWAYS bounce back with a 5+ game win streak. I have never seen either team lose 3-4 in a row regularly like us. Not to mention Spurs have had tons of guys out with injuries like us all year yet STILL find ways to do things like win 9 in a row now.. or win 17 in a row at home.

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The last time Chauncey came back in the rotation we went 3-0 with him. Then won the next 15 in a row without him. Yes seven of the past nine games have sucked but the sky is not falling. We are not 3 losses from the 7th seed. We are literally doing the best the Clippers have ever done and the third best currently in the league. Yes it's been a couple of rough weeks, but don't forget the weeks and months before them. Exhale. See you in June

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Thank you !!!!

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More food for thought... In the final two months of the season we only have ten road games (unlike now where we have 8 back to back in 2 wks) and five of those are V. Cleveland, Sacramento (twice) and New Orleans (twice). We had an easy December and we dominated (one of three teams ever to be perfect in a month in league history). We had the misfortune of having some key injuries happen during our toughest stretch but March and April will be easier. Add a full week off in February and the skill of our players and team will offset the bad luck of a bum knee or pulled hammy. We are hanging a banner in Staples and my only hope is that it's not just a lousy Pacific Division Champs banner. We're built to last and primed to win. Believe.

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U in a roll man ! Haha Jk. But it's true man people are panicking to easily, good teams will always have bad losses. All that matters is winning in march April May and of course June. I just hate all the negativeness (if that's a word)?

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Sloan and Mcmillian >>> Vinny Del Negro, Mike Brown, and Dumbtoni ALL DAY, ANY DAY.

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Why is this happening?

Chris Paul hasn't played in 9 games.

Vinny Del Negro can't coach.

Plain and Simple.

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Im frustrated also, but to put things in perspective it just proves how important CP3 is to the team.

As good as Ebled is, he's not even close to CP3. CP makes plays, makes space, carries the ball and offloads the step back jumper like no one else in the league and most of all, the clippers average less than 12 TO's a game with him in the side.

CP3 is a franchise changer, and while he's out we'll struggle.

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Still not too concerned... we're still not the so-called superteam who's under .500 right now and those guys are still claiming there's still a possibility. the way I see it, we're still not an established contending team and are still bound to go through woes in a season in which we add 7 new faces to the roster. The fact that our best player and leaders are out for the time being really makes me appreciate the job we did in December.

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Take Lebron out of MIA and you get a more mediocre team than the one we have without CP3. Sorry to awaken some of you guys, but CP3 is that much of a game changer. I can't wait till he comes back and all the worries will be gone with the wind.

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[quote="Paolo310"]Take Lebron out of MIA and you get a more mediocre team than the one we have without CP3. Sorry to awaken some of you guys, but CP3 is that much of a game changer. I can't wait till he comes back and all the worries will be gone with the wind.[/quote

Agree with CP3,Billups return it will be winning time for the Clippers.

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[quote="worm"]

Its not about Chris coming back though. We have to accept a reality about this team Billups and Chris have a lot of injury problems. With this in mind we have to find ways to win without Chris. We have the personnel to do it its just a matter of making it happen

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I say, wait until at least Chris and Chauncey return until you make a change.

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Losing to the Wizard is the worst of the worst. These last couple games this team has reminded me of the Clippers of old, absolutely pathetic. I am glad I am not watching.

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prokreation wrote:
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Its extremely sad to see this team literally fall apart right in front of our eyes. As fast as this team came together, its falling apart faster .... SMH... The author ( ClipperFan86) hit it dead on the money with his post. Why is this happening? Are all us Clipper fans being forever punished? It sure as hell seems like it... Evil or Very Mad

Why is this happening?

Chris Paul hasn't played in 9 games.

Vinny Del Negro can't coach.

Plain and Simple.

Damn... Sad but true. cry

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Anyone that doesn't see that is , well, pretty blind. You take out the best PG in the league, one of the top PF, use a 3rd string SG,,,you're pretty much in trouble.

I seriously believe if just one guy,,like Barnes,,,can get back tot he Dec level, we can still come out .500 on this road trip.

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We wouldn't look so pathetic if Caron would step up like a seasoned veteran should. Sure, he had 15 and 6 last night...but we should get that on an average night from him (we don't of course). With our studs out, I expect our vets to step up. I don't necessarily expect Hill to because he's played fewer games for us. I would love to see Barnes step up but he doesn't necessarily have the offensive abilities Caron does. We saw Crawford step up last night. He did what he was supposed to do.

Where's Caron?

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People keep bringing up the loss of CP3, and injuries, and everything when we are complaining about the same problems that existed before those guys went down. We understand that injuries are NOW hampering us but before the injury bug hit us, VDN was still incompetent, we still couldn't defend the 3, we still had an ISO offense, etc. Some of us seen the incompetence in VDN before everyone went down. Of course if you take away the best player the team will be totally different. But if the team plays the same way with the best player on your team, then you have a problem.

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Hasn't been The Caron since 2009. Those were the days, lol. It's a big problem in our starting line up when you have below average players @ both the sf/sg spots. With your 2 best players are out, it just highlights your weakest links.

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@blakegriffin Bad loss for us but we will be better next game. Thank you to real clipper fans for always sticking with us.

You're welcome, Blake.

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Very true. Still, the situation is what it is, we cant change the fact that Caron isnt the player he once was and Billups can no longer stay healthy, but we can make sure that we prepare for this decline by drafting for the SF and SG positions. We have a very interesting blend of youth (Griffin, Jordan, Bledsoe), veterans in their prime (Paul)and veterans in their 30s (Billups, Butler, Crawford). It is the latter category i am very concerned with.

We always need to make sure that we are making good contingency plans to safeguard against age, as San Antonio has. Otherwise I see this team suffering for it.

My hopes is that the team can find a trade partner for Bledsoe and get a SF or SG and draft pick in return.

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  1. The Spurs win with injuries because they've played together for years and they have a system. (They also have a HOF coach)

  2. Take Kobe away from LAL and they're nothing, even for the last couple of years. LeBron from Miami etc

3 In the Wizard's game it's hard to prepare when BG goes down at game time

4 We'll see how GSW does in the PO's. Half court teams win.

5 BG's FT% is better

6 Maybe Hill is getting in playing shape

BUT

Agreed our offense sucks. I hope VDN learns. Butler for all his faults can post up. Let DJ learn. Develop a half court game. This is where we've gotten killed. We've become a jump shooting team and we don't have jump shooters. Without CP we're screwed. I'd love to trade Willie for Korver (In my dreams)

We continue to get killed by 3 pt shooters

I don't think VDN has helped DJ's growth He was a monster aginst Nene. I've said over and over that DJ should be in at garbage and let VDN run the offense through him.

Crawford in not our savior. Anyway wasn't his FT% dropped 10 pts recently

We need points from Odom

Without BG and CP everybody else excpt JC is streaky. We need a "20" game from DJ, points + reb =20. He has to be a scoring threat. When they keep BG out of the paint and make him a jump shooter we have problems

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you are definately welcome blake. sticking with you guys through thick and thin.

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I consider this a lost season. I don't mean to sound negative, but I'm just waiting for the playoffs to finish, us getting KOed in the 2nd round again, and hiring a real coach in the off season. I don't even take the team seriously anymore, we won't do anything in the playoffs. On both offense and defense, we are literally walking in there without any systems, and just winging it. It's been like that for the last 3 years. We play the style in which a rebuilding team with young talent plays. The coach lets the young guys do what they do to build confidence and develop. Vinny's not a coach that can take it any further than that, not even a little bit further.

We're literally at a stand still right now, not able to take the next step until we get a coach that can take us there and help the team evolve.

The problem is that we dont have the luxury of a "next year" mantra. First and foremost CP3 still hasnt given us his decision. I am willing to bet that if we exit in the second round again he is gone.

Also, even if Paul does resign some of our starters (most notable Billups and Butler) and bench (Barnes, Crawford, Hill) are 32+ years old. They are not exactly spring chickens that have a five year window. At this stage in their careers Butler, Billups, and Hill's best years are behind them, and tsome of these guys cant exactly stay in the lineup due to nagging injuries.

We have this year as our window, and i say this because if we dont get farther than the 2nd round Paul is gone. Should Paul leave we already know how bad this team is without him, and its not like we have a cast of young guys available (actually we onyl have Griffin, Jordan, and Bledsoe- exclude them and we have a pretty old team).

well we're not going to evolve as a team THIS year, and next year our guys will be old and cp3 might be gone....so, what now? lmao we wait and see

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Blake, some of us have been around before you could hoist a basketball,,and we will be there, Lord willing,,after you're gone. But no matter what,,you have made the last couple years fun again,,thanks for sticking with us.

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Should we be worrying yes. Should we panic no. The team has a string of injuries. We went from a point that improves everyone to Ebled who is great in his own way but is not made to lead this team. But VDN has to really stop letting DJ ride the bench. I know CP3 wont leave but honestly Billups is dead weight.

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