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He definitely would not play the 5.

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the clips are like the kid with a bunch of toys that still isnt satisfied.

From what I've been reading, it's. VDN that wants to make a move. DTS likes the team we have.

Because VDN knows that if we will win a championship, he will get a credit. when in fact our "coach" is CP3. He will try to recruit to save his a-ss.

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DJ nor Ebled will get traded unless it's a "Godfather" deal IMO.

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If we do make this move, I think Milsap won't be a specified 3, 4 or 5. He'd just be a "big", same way Odom is now. And if done correctly, which is an if with VDN, we can make it work as long as our backcourt stays healthy. (I would bring up Courtney Fortsen or sign D Fisher for insurance.)

So say its crunch time against Memphis, I like the matchup of Milsap & Blake vs. ZBo & Gasol.

Miami? I like Blake & DJ during the game because DJ can take it to Bosh or Joel Anthony, In crunch time I like Blake & Lamar or Milsap depending on matchups.

Lakers? I play DJ against Dwight, Blake on Clark or Gasol. But I think giving Crawford a guy like Milsap that can postup & get buckets in the 2nd unit would make tribe called bench that much more dominate.

Spurs? Milsap would help our halfcourt offense a lot!

OKC? Milsap could give us more offense if we need to slow the tempo if they get hot.

All I'm saying is, if we are in "win now mode" its not that bad of a deal. This can work & I won't complain. Milsap doesn't seem like he has character issues or he would hurt team chemistry either. But I'm fine with not making any moves also.

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"It's not bad deal" is not good enough. Wait for a much better deal.

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Chuckle.

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Win-now "mode" is not synonymous with desperation moves for a postseason push. CP is planning to re-sign so win-now doesn't mean more than making the right moves to become contenders for many years to come.

Odom is a point forward. He has vision and ball handling. Millsap is a true big. He cannot bring the ball up the court nor does he have the playmaking ability Odom has. Millsap is not even in the same realm as Odom as far as their skill sets go. Just because Millsap's physical attributes may coincide with the general consensus of what a 3 should be, that does not mean he's able to play the 3. If we put Blake at the 5 and Millsap at the 4, we are playing small ball and Blake does not thrive against lankier players (not yet at least). Sure Blake can handle playing the 3 some nights, but only against lesser opponents for a shorter amount of time. He'll never be able to guard KD if Thunder-Clippers meet in the WCF like we're "projected" to.

I feel like some people are undervaluing Bled and forget the fact that we still have him for a full season next year before he becomes an RFA. Keeping Bled is a foregone conclusion and I know that he'll leave, but the more he progresses with the Clippers under CP and Billups, his value skyrockets which will give us more leverage in the future when we are ready to trade him for the RIGHT deal and not just a decent one.

Don't get me wrong, Millsap is a great player but our biggest need right now is a legitimate, consistent 5 IMO.

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wessleejr wrote:
hoopfanjd31 wrote:
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the clips are like the kid with a bunch of toys that still isnt satisfied.

From what I've been reading, it's. VDN that wants to make a move. DTS likes the team we have.

Because VDN knows that if we will win a championship, he will get a credit. when in fact our "coach" is CP3. He will try to recruit to save his a-ss.

Really our coach is CP3? So every time we lose a game all the blame should given to him,bad players rotation and game plan.

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^ agreed. you cant have it both ways and pick and choose when these types of statements are made.

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Disagree. Biggest need is a starting sf

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Don't get me wrong, Millsap is a great player but our biggest need right now is a legitimate, consistent 5 IMO.

Disagree. Biggest need is a starting sf

I mean you have a point but we have depth at the 3. Turiaf or Hollins cannot contribute playing big minutes and that's a problem when our starting 5 is teetering on the border of starter/role player. But the way we dominate when DJ has a good game makes me wonder what a consistent 5 would bring to the table.

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ClippersSince97 wrote:
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Don't get me wrong, Millsap is a great player but our biggest need right now is a legitimate, consistent 5 IMO.

Disagree. Biggest need is a starting sf

I mean you have a point but we have depth at the 3. Turiaf or Hollins cannot contribute playing big minutes and that's a problem when our starting 5 is teetering on the border of starter/role player. But the way we dominate when DJ has a good game makes me wonder what a consistent 5 would bring to the table.

I wonder the same thing if we had a consistent 3.

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if we can get Gordon Hayward with Millsap, that would be the REAL steal in that deal

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it would be a steal, but utah would never do that.

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Getting Hayward would be great but like bullterrier said I just can't see it happening.

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@Clipperssince97 I never once said Blake or Milsap should play the 3. Caron, Barnes & Hill are our 3s as far as I'm concerned. And I never said he's more valuable than Bled, I just said if done right it could work out nicely. It adds a different dynamic but it takes one away, in Bled, & I get that. But its not the end of our team if we do it.

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THIS TRADE DOES NOT MAKE US BETTER.

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Emotional attachments aside, having a dependable big would make a big difference in the playoffs. If we're closing games with Griffin/Odom, why not close it out with Griffin/Millsap? Gives us a LOT more scoring off the bench, another hustler who can grab boards, play defense, and get steals... I would be all for this trade, I wouldn't mind it at all especially if they gave us a few more pieces.

This trade would make us beyond legit contenders and give us our best chance at a championship. The league would be in huge trouble and fans of other teams on other forums are saying that the Clippers would be insanely good after this trade. Ironically, the only people saying no to it are Clipper fans, and honestly it's tough to want to trade away players that you've been watching for all year/2 years, and disrupt chemistry and all that. But honestly, sometimes you have to take risks if you want the big rewards.

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  1. I like your avatar Very Happy

  2. The problem with this trade is what to do with Millsap AFTER this season. He's a little slow for the 3 and undersized for the 5. But he's a great Power Forward, which is why he'll command a big contract this offseason. So basically, if the clippers trade Bledsoe, they either need a high draft pick(s) or a young/athletic wing.

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@Clipperssince97 I never once said Blake or Milsap should play the 3. Caron, Barnes & Hill are our 3s as far as I'm concerned. And I never said he's more valuable than Bled, I just said if done right it could work out nicely. It adds a different dynamic but it takes one away, in Bled, & I get that. But its not the end of our team if we do it.

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We would have so much flexibility after this trade.

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Anyone think it's possible they don't want to move Bledsoe until the last second to Utah because there's a chance he WONT play against us on Saturday?

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No, but they could be waiting to see if they get any better offers.

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Our 3's are more consistent than our 5 considering PT.

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Yea you didn't so sorry about that. Someone in an earlier post said Millsap should play the 3 and I thought it was you. And I didn't claim that you said Millsap was more valuable than Bled. I just said a lot of people on this board are undervaluing Bled as a trade asset when the time comes. Bled can be had for much more when we give him some more time to develop under CP and Billups.

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I couldn't agree with you more. Ever since Martin left, I've been saying we should bring him back. The problem is that he's asking for too much money. I wish we could just lay off/fire Green, Hollins, or Turiaf to make more room in the salary cap for K-Mart.

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Hooligans wrote:
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Emotional attachments aside, having a dependable big would make a big difference in the playoffs. If we're closing games with Griffin/Odom, why not close it out with Griffin/Millsap? Gives us a LOT more scoring off the bench, another hustler who can grab boards, play defense, and get steals... I would be all for this trade, I wouldn't mind it at all especially if they gave us a few more pieces.

This trade would make us beyond legit contenders and give us our best chance at a championship. The league would be in huge trouble and fans of other teams on other forums are saying that the Clippers would be insanely good after this trade. Ironically, the only people saying no to it are Clipper fans, and honestly it's tough to want to trade away players that you've been watching for all year/2 years, and disrupt chemistry and all that. But honestly, sometimes you have to take risks if you want the big rewards.

  1. I like your avatar Very Happy

  2. The problem with this trade is what to do with Millsap AFTER this season. He's a little slow for the 3 and undersized for the 5. But he's a great Power Forward, which is why he'll command a big contract this offseason. So basically, if the clippers trade Bledsoe, they either need a high draft pick(s) or a young/athletic wing.

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  • All the people I know, including analysts and sportswriters I'm close with, have rebutted all the doubts and questions I've had (similar to yours). It's better to worry about right now and give our team the best chance at a championship because Chris Paul resigning is a big key to our future whether we have Bledsoe for one more year or not. Backup point guards aren't hard to come by and you do know that in 2 years, Bledsoe is going to command big money (and if Chris Paul is still here, he's not going to get minutes OR money).

  • The point with Millsap is you have another option for a post player, you have another CONSISTENT scorer, and another threat off the bench. As of right now, our bench scores well but as you've noticed, you don't know who can be on or off.. Bledsoe has one game where he has 2 points, the next game he has like 16. Barnes one game misses all his 3's, next game bombs 4/5. Turiaf, Hollins, etc scoring is all icing on the cake. Crawford is the most consistent scorer as of right now but he needs consistent help. Millsap would give that to us, another player to turn to when our bench isn't scoring well. As you can remember, when our bench doesn't score well, we don't win easy.

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    ^^^^^i am all for milsap if we only give up ebled and odom. i dont see the use of odom if we're gonna get milsap. cant give up dj cuz we're automatically gonna be the heat. We need as much body in the 3 spot for durant and possibly james.

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    ClippersSince97 wrote:
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    I wonder the same thing if we had a consistent 3.

    Our 3's are more consistent than our 5 considering PT.

    Not really. The starting sf is weak, below average and very inconsistent.

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    Utah want E Bled so bad, pretty funny.

    Also funny, three of our guards from last season would be on the Jazz with this unlikely trade, and Mo would probably be pissed.

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    we pretty much got ripped off by utah when we traded for MO. Let's not have that happen again

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    tense2 wrote:
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    I wonder the same thing if we had a consistent 3.

    Our 3's are more consistent than our 5 considering PT.

    Not really. The starting sf is weak, below average and very inconsistent.

    And the starting C isn't?

    ekker3
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    if we really wanna make a move, we should somehow find a way to get varejao while his stock is temporarily low.

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    ^^^ Is he even going to be able to play again this season?

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    no that's what makes it so enticing. his stock is at an all-time low. he should be ready to go next season.

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    ekker3 wrote:
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    ^^^ Is he even going to be able to play again this season?

    no that's what makes it so enticing. his stock is at an all-time low. he should be ready to go next season.

    Uh you really want the guy who has played a grand total of 81 games for the past three seasons? Not even a full season worth of games....

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    CP3Heliflopter wrote:
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    ^^^ Is he even going to be able to play again this season?

    no that's what makes it so enticing. his stock is at an all-time low. he should be ready to go next season.

    Uh you really want the guy who has played a grand total of 81 games for the past three seasons? Not even a full season worth of games....

    in one word? yes

    (obviously only if the price tag is low enough)

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    ^Then wait until next year.

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    hoopfanjd31 wrote:
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    Not really. The starting sf is weak, below average and very inconsistent.

    And the starting C isn't?

    No.

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    As much as I would love to include Milsap to our lineup, what would be the point? Having back court depth is more important then front court. We are fine up front. We don't use our front court in the offense anyway except for Blake. The team runs through Paul and his passing.

    Bledsoe's stock is very high, and it will be higher if we get close to winning a championship. But we are in win now mode. It's confusing what to do.

    A trade for Bledsoe would have to include Haywood, period. Straight up it's not worth the trade, because of Bledsoe's future value and we don't need a power-forward.

    Milsap and Haywood is fair. That would be enough. I'm against Garnett, as much as it would help. We have to get something long term for an asset like Bledoe.

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    ^Take off the Clipper hat, lol. They won't give up Hayward and Milsap. Gut feeling is they want to keep Hayward, he's part of their future.

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    Chris Broussard just said that Philly is shopping Evan Turner. We need to get him, although they don't need Bledsoe I say we can give them Butler and an expiring contract in Odom so they can sign Bynum to a max contract. Evan Turner doesn't do anything great but he does everything good.

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    CapsNClips wrote:
    Chris Broussard just said that Philly is shopping Evan Turner. We need to get him, although they don't need Bledsoe I say we can give them Butler and an expiring contract in Odom so they can sign Bynum to a max contract. Evan Turner doesn't do anything great but he does everything good.

    Forget about doing everything good. He does pretty much everything average or below average. Confused He is a pretty terrible offensive player.

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    in one word? yes]

    (obviously only if the price tag is low enough)

    Don't get me wrong he is a good C but he is extremely injury prone and gets paid over 8m.... I rather have an average C that plays the whole season than a good C that plays the first 1/3rd of the season and gets injured which has happened for the last three seasons. He has an injury history even before that.

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    I completely agree with you.

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    I like Turner but he doesn't really do much for us in terms of making a title run.He is a guy who does a little of everything but isn't great at one thing.Also as of right now I like our set up.Turner won't be willing to play the limited minutes Butler is playing.He would want more playing time which will throw off our rotations.That means less minutes for Barnes and Hill.Rather keep things the way they are for now.

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    Here's something from a Chad Ford chat today on ESPN:

    Again, I'm totally unclear why this is a good trade for the Clippers, even with Burks.

    Burks is a fine backup point guard and decent asset for the future. He's signed through next year and will be a restricted free agent the following year. The kid puts up decent numbers (better lately) and can shoot the 3 decently. Unfortunately, he's no Bledsoe defensively, but he's tall (6'6") which counts for something... I guess.

    Regardless, I don't mind that aspect of the trade. Burks as a filler/replacement backup point guard in a trade headlined by Bledsoe is fine. My real problem is that our main return will be Millsap.

    Now, just for a second, let's put aside all of the problems that everyone has mentioned here about bringing in Millsap (unrestricted free agent at the end of the season, redundant player to Odom, our rotation is already too thick at the power forward position and - arguably - Millsap doesn't have the skills to play the small forward position). My real problem with this trade is that all of the analysts who think that Millsap puts the Clippers "over the top" in the West, don't seem to have taken matchups into consideration.

    According to most analysts, the Clippers' toughest competition will be/is the Spurs. Although the Clippers have beaten them twice this season, let's take a look at the match-up.

    Oddly enough, it's not Timmy who is killing the Clippers when they play San Antonio. Dribble penetration on the pick-and-roll leads to wide open shots on the second pass (kick out and then rotate the ball once) is what wreaks havoc on the Clippers defense.

    There are two primary reasons for this breakdown. Poor defense on the initial pick-and-roll, and, don't hate on me too much for this, but I'm going to put the lion's share of this blame on Chris Paul. He's slow to recover and tends not to fight over screens (unless he's in "the zone"), and he likes to gamble for steals. That isn't to say that Deandre and Blake don't have faults here, but put them with a point guard who's willing to play a little rougher against Parker at a play's outset, and I bet we'd see better results.

    The other obvious problem is that the defensive rotations aren't quick enough to cover the open 3-point shooter when there at least 3 offensive players spread out on the perimeter. This is the Clippers glaring weakness in general, but only seriously affects them against teams that have multiple threats from distance (Golden State, Oklahoma City and sometimes even Portland, Cleveland, etc...).

    Losing Bledsoe hurts in this respect and gaining Millsap doesn't help (especially because, if he were to play the 3, he has a low post player mentality and is less willing to play tight defense on an opposing perimeter shooter).

    Offensively, the Clippers haven't struggled against the Spurs, so I'm unclear as to why they'd need another post scorer off the bench to put up big points.

    But, let's just say, hypothetically, that the Clippers did need a boost in scoring, and wanted to bring someone in to create that scoring on the post. Blake Griffin, in tough games, should be playing between 35-40 minutes at least. That leaves only 8-13 minutes where the post is unoccupied for another player to iso on the block. Couple that with the fact that, as the only low post threat during bench minutes, Millsap would be covered by the other team's center (who, as an undersized 4, he struggles against), and you can plainly see that he really doesn't seem to add much more than the Clippers already have from Odom (when Odom decides to play defense well, at least).

    All of these problems apply equally to the teams that the Clippers struggle against. OKC, Golden State and Memphis, so again, just unsure as to what the pundits see here that I don't.

    Oh, wait. There is one team that this would help the Clippers against. The Heat.

    Well, maybe it's worth it then.

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    Jazz fan here just wanting to let you know how I think most Jazz fans feel.

    I would be perfectly willing to give up Millsap and both of our firsts or Burks for Bledsoe + filler. I don't know exactly what you're looking for, but Millsap would be able to spell Blake and play some backup 3 as well. If you ever play smaller lineups, Blake could slide to five I would imagine with Millsap at 4.

    All in all, I think it would be a good move if you're trying to win it all this year, as Millsap can really score and rebound off the bench. There is some risk involved, but I would think with either a good prospect or multiple firsts coming back that could be mitigated at least a bit.

    Hope I don't offend anyone, reading this thread was quite interesting to see how you all felt.

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    Actually Lutheran, but I know how outsiders coming into a message board can be sometimes.

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