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Sean Deveney of SportingNews.com reports that issues between DeAndre Jordan and coach Vinny Del Negro could lead the Los Angeles Clippers to deal the big man prior to the trade deadline.

"Del Negro and Jordan have frequently clashed over playing time, the source said, and there is a chance he could be moved before Thursday's deadline for a veteran big man, even if it is not in a deal for Garnett," he wrote. "Before the Cleveland Cavaliers' Anderson Varejao got injured, the Clippers had inquired about him."

KG has shot down any trade ideas -- a right he has via his no-trade clause -- but anything is possible, of course. Trading Jordan to any team could take some extra effort on the part of the Clippers, since he hasn't developed an offensive game and still has about $23 million remaining over the final two years of his current contract.

What pops most in my brain about this is,,,if VDN is going to be gone like a few here hope, then why would the FO let DJ go to help keep the peace between the two of them. Then we lose DJ now and VDN later just for a 2 month peace accord?. i also wonder how 32 feels aobut his buddy being moved

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Vinny is a seat warmer and needs to work with Dj on a solution. Can't stand this situation

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Agreed. the team is the best I have ever witnessed for the CLips, they are clicking, they are winning,,,,so let's start the fights between the team, the coach and the FO. What is wrong with these people???

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Personally, I'd fire Vinny for not being able to get along with his players, and then trade DJ for KG anyway.

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good thing you arent someone with any say in personnel matters. lol

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Its easy to see why they would have a problem. Dj is a good player who is getting less minutes for lamar who hasnt done much but rebound and defend. Deandre can do those things just as good while having a some what of a presence on the offensive end. He deserves more minutes and its a shame he doesnt get them. i understand becuase of Deandre free throw percentage VDn takes him out. Well we havnt been in that many close games this year so I dont understand why DJ does not close out most games.

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Both parties are at fault. Vinny is a bonehead with rotations and doesn't reward Jordan when he DOES play great. Jordan on the other hand is at fault for being such a liability at the free throw line, inconsistent defensively and committing very costly plays regularly. Not to mention he only really shows up once every 5-10 games.

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I hold DJ at fault here, he's a miniature Dwight Howard, and I'd rather trade him than have him start a dwightmare here. let's face it, this is like his 6th year in the league, his free throws are still TERRIBLE, his post game has Faded, and he's not a good defender. We're paying him tooooooooo much for what we're getting. If we payed him less, that would be ok since he has so much athleticism, but that's pretty much all he has.

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I'm all for trading DJ for the right deal and I wouldn't regret it one bit. I'll be sad when Bledsoe leaves though.

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huh.... ?? no post game, no defense ?? if the VDN wants him gone rumors are true, have quickly lost any renewed faith in Vinny.... first Kenyon Martin, now DJ.... who's next.... good bye VDN.

don't get all the disdain for DeAndre.... seems a no brainer to keep him and let Vinny go.... can't wait 'til we get a legit big man's coach on this staff.

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The disdain for Kenyon Martin was 100% justified, and anyone who thinks VDN, or anyone other than Kenyon Martin, was at fault in that wasn't watching very closely. Martin is a cancer, and that's why he's essentially done as a player. I would not be surprised if eventually some playoff team picks him up for a few months, but I seriously doubt he ever gets paid more than the vet min again, or even ever gets a long term contract again.

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If Vinny decided to play DJ every end of the 4th quarter I don't know our winning standing now,DJ should workout his liabilities on his game he is now 5th or 6 the year in the league until now he is still learning the basic of the game.It is not the job of the team to fix his liabilities,paying millions of dollars and this kind of thing the Clippers get.

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Vinny the big man killer! First Martin now jordan.

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Martin was the Martin killer, lol. A big man who's not in big demand.

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There's a reason why DJ doesn't get many minutes people. VDN may be gone soon, but DJ needs to be traded for a better C.

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trade him for who?

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He does well when he plays 30+ mins. 6 out of the 8 times he's played that many minutes he's averaged in double figures in both scoring and rebounding. Plus his FT% has been at least .500 in 6 out of 8. He needs to play more IMO.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... der_by=pts

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bullterrierclipsfan1349 wrote:
82-0 wrote:
Personally, I'd fire Vinny for not being able to get along with his players, and then trade DJ for KG anyway.

good thing you arent someone with any say in personnel matters. lol

yea thank God. If not wed all be in trouble. What's he gonna do next. Cut cp3 and sign Steve Nash..gosh! I love my Clippers! Go CLIPS!

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Ghostship come on you write good comments. Do I need to remind you what a hack-a-DJ was...Exactly so that pretty much answers your comment. So if u ask me VDN is doing the right thing! I love my Clippers! GO CLIPS!

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exactly if he plays good. But don't blame VDM. Hes making the right call. I love my Clippers! Go Clips!

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tense2 wrote:
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Vinny the big man killer! First Martin now jordan.

Martin was the Martin killer, lol. A big man who's not in big demand.

lol...I second this thought too!

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tense2 wrote:
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There's a reason why DJ doesn't get many minutes people. VDN may be gone soon, but DJ needs to be traded for a better C.

He does well when he plays 30+ mins. 6 out of the 8 times he's played that many minutes he's averaged in double figures in both scoring and rebounding. Plus his FT% has been at least .500 in 6 out of 8. He needs to play more IMO.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... der_by=pts

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It's bad when you have to say shoots at least 50% ft's. just not what you want on your team

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Yep FT% needs to improve, but still should be playing more minutes.

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maybe the clipps should send DJ to the D league and tell him he's not coming back until he can shoot at least 60%

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^ and have hollins be the starter and turiaf back him up? no thanks. i rather have DJ here

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we'll just play super small. As long as DJ"s FT shooting continues to be atrocious, he will be a liability. I really don't understand what's so hard about making ft's either.. it's the simplest, most basic skill in basketball.

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clipperboy24 wrote:
tense2 wrote:
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There's a reason why DJ doesn't get many minutes people. VDN may be gone soon, but DJ needs to be traded for a better C.

He does well when he plays 30+ mins. 6 out of the 8 times he's played that many minutes he's averaged in double figures in both scoring and rebounding. Plus his FT% has been at least .500 in 6 out of 8. He needs to play more IMO.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... der_by=pts

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It's bad when you have to say shoots at least 50% ft's. just not what you want on your team

Plus that's a misleading number. He's obviously playing those extended minutes to begin with because he's gotten off to a great start. Otherwise Vinny wouldn't play him that much. Meaning it's not like Vinny decided to play him 30+ and he delivered. More like he played excellent in the first half so Vinny went against the norm and played him a fair amount in the 2nd as well.

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^not misleading at all. Just depends on your mind set.

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He'd look like Bill Russell does now before he gets back

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Some big men don't have the fine motor skills to shoot a high % FTs

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Difference is the other 3 dominated. If DJ dominated the game nobody would care about his FT percentage. Problem is he doesn't do much.

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Odom is currently shooting 44% from the line (albeit he doesn't go there very often), and he's shooting under 40% from the field. Where's the hate for him?

Our defensive woes haven't been from getting destroyed inside, we can't stop the 3-ball. And last I checked, Deandre's job isn't to cover perimeter players. DJ still has a lot of improvement to do (which is good, that means our current core can get even better), but I don't view him as a liability. Also, Chris WANTS Deandre to be on this team. I'll side with the best PG in the nba on this one.

And going back to the FTs, Deandre's stroke looks GREAT. The shots will eventually fall, but we mostly just need him to be our defensive anchor who can throw down a few nasty dunks here and there.

Edit: And I don't think I remember any games where DJ has cost us because of his poor FT shooting. In fact, the one time he did have to shoot FTs in the clutch, he made them (Utah game).

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FightOnRon wrote:
chonkyfire24 wrote:
maybe the clipps should send DJ to the D league and tell him he's not coming back until he can shoot at least 60%

He'd look like Bill Russell does now before he gets back

LOL!

And as bill said onto the question how much PPG he average nowadays in the NBA, ten. Ten? Yeah well i am 75 years old.

Thats what DJ averages now Very Happy.

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This! Vdn would rather play a rental who's a worse shooter than dj. Vdn never knew how to coach big man. No wonder Kmart never respected him

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Lately I agree Odom is nearly as much of a liability as DJ, especially at the free throw line and scoring wise. Thing is Odom's a better defender and SIGNIFICANTLY better rebounder this year. How many times does Odom get 10 rebounds in 20 minutes or less this year? He's averaging 7 boards a game off the bench and his rebounding rates are nice.

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Odom averages 5.9 rebound in 20 mins while dj averages 7.3 in 24 minutes. How did u come up that odom is a better rebounder?

And like I said before, I don't think dj should automatically play in the 4th but he should be in when he's playing we'll. it shouldn't be a mandatory rotation. Vdn should have more feel on the game

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Per 36 minutes

Dj- 10.7 reb

Odom- 10.4

How is odom a better rebounder?

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My mistake I thought Odom was average 7 in less minutes, not 6. Regardless PER 36 nearly the same and rebound rate nearly identical as well. I suppose I'd just trust Odom far more to get a needed rebound and he seems more consistent with it. So I still think Odom is the better rebounder despite the numbers, although these numbers prove that it's not fair for me to act like there is a noticeable gap.

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Thats probably the one thing about VDN I can't stand. His love fest with Odom. Odom shoots Fts just as poorly this season and he plays down the stretch even when DJ plays well and Odom plays poorly. It just doesn't make sense and now all this talk about VDN pushing to trade DJ.... DJ has not met my expectations but I think his lack of playing time has stunted his growth a bit and lowered his confidence.

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There is neither a noticeable gap, nor any gap at all. DJ is the better rebounder. DJ gets a lot of his burn with the first unit, playing against other teams first units. Less rebounds to go around, and better rebounders there to grab them.

This hate on DJ NEEDS to stop. He's not a liability, he's an asset to this team.

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Odoms a smarter player. Odom is a more calming influence. Odom is a better leader. Odom is a better anchor. VDN knows what he's doing.

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chonkyfire24 wrote:
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^ and have hollins be the starter and turiaf back him up? no thanks. i rather have DJ here

we'll just play super small. As long as DJ"s FT shooting continues to be atrocious, he will be a liability. I really don't understand what's so hard about making ft's either.. it's the simplest, most basic skill in basketball.

we will get pounded inside like the heat do when they face the pacers. shooting ft's seem easy, but if ur mind is not one with your body, u will struggle. its mental with DJ. he has good form, but he is always thinking about how he is going to miss, instead of just letting his body relax and follow proper mechanics.

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Clipswhit wrote:
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My mistake I thought Odom was average 7 in less minutes, not 6. Regardless PER 36 nearly the same and rebound rate nearly identical as well. I suppose I'd just trust Odom far more to get a needed rebound and he seems more consistent with it. So I still think Odom is the better rebounder despite the numbers, although these numbers prove that it's not fair for me to act like there is a noticeable gap.

There is neither a noticeable gap, nor any gap at all. DJ is the better rebounder. DJ gets a lot of his burn with the first unit, playing against other teams first units. Less rebounds to go around, and better rebounders there to grab them.

This hate on DJ NEEDS to stop. He's not a liability, he's an asset to this team.

Odom gets the rebounds he's supposed to though and I never see him get shut out like DJ. When DJ plays against far more physical players he vanishes on the glass. His rebounding fundamentals are terrible and he doesn't know how to box out. You can have similar rebounding numbers and distinguish who's a more skilled rebounder and that would be Lamar Odom.

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First we need to offload DJ as soon as possible. He will be impossible to trade soon - a guy who does nothing for 10 mil. a year is not exactly attractive to other teams. If we can insist whoever wants Bledsoe needs to take DJ as well, that would be amazing! When we are done with that problem and depending on the outcome of the season we could consider letting VDN go!

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This is a stupid trade. Giving up Bledsoe and DJ for a player near retirement?

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Clippersfan86 wrote:
toohipcliptoslip wrote:
Shaq 0.522

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D12 last 4 years ~ 0.55S

Some big men don't have the fine motor skills to shoot a high % FTs

Difference is the other 3 dominated. If DJ dominated the game nobody would care about his FT percentage. Problem is he doesn't do much.

Exactly that Clippersfan86...If DJ dominated I wouldnt care if he painted his face like a clown and wore a clown wig. But he doesent do squat as far as free throws. And so seriously limited on offense....I love my Clippers! GO CLIPS!

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Clippersfan86 im giving you a standing ovation right now for this one! I love my Clippers! GO CLIPS!

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I truly fear for two years from now when DJ is only a tiny bit better and the excuse of "Oh he's still young" will be out the window because he will be an 8th year, 27 year old vet. I mean we don't have the luxury to wait for this kid. We aren't a rebuilding lotto team developing young players. We are a team trying to win the championship NOW. DJ needs to find his balls and either start playing physical and working his ass off on the court at all times... or he needs to go.

I don't expect anything extreme. I expect maybe 10 ppg, 10 rpg, 2 bpg and more consistent play. For 11 mill a year that's not an unfair expectation.

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DJ and Vinny clashing shouldn't alarm anybody. As great as the team chemestry has been, no one's perfect. I'm pretty sure there's been occasions that individuals have been at eachother's throats. As for DJ, what do we have to hate DJ for? Because he's a poor freethrow shooter and he's not living up to his contract? First of all, it's pretty common that big men struggle with freethrows. And DJ's contract is the STANDARD for an athletic center. Don't blame DJ for that, blame the NBA's executives that pay top dollar for an average center. Let's not forget that DJ helps the team with his energy and positive atitude. Unless the Clippers get someone like Tyson Chandler or Marc Gasol back for DJ without having to throw in an arm and a leg, the roster should just stay as is.

Despite DJ being a liability in the 4th quarter, that still doesn't stop the Clippers from being one of the best teams in the league at closing out close games so all this talk about DJ hurting us in the playoffs needs to stop. Unless the lakers make the playoffs, the only physically imposing frontlines we'd have to deal with in the playoffs are Memphis, San Antonio and maybe Golden State depending on out will Bogut works out for the Warriors.

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