Clippers Vs. Spurs 02-21-13 Official Game Thread (P. 9)

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long night last night

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Good thing I wasn't able to watch the game, that box score was embarrassing. Now I know how the Lakers feel last week.

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Another way how VDN screwed up was not getting bledsoe out on the floor earlier. With parker torching cp3 our best on ball defender should have been out there to defend parker much more. Parker would not have had that type of game if bledsoe was on him. Bledsoe is a shut down defender. CP3 is a good defender and a great thief. But bledsoe is by far the better overall defender.

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Man last night was brutal. CP had nothing in the tank. I think he got the elusive quadruple single last night! Woof. Still 2-1 on the season. I like our chances going back to Texas with a chip on our shoulder.

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I see your point and don't disagree, but I'm not sure it would have mattered. Bottom line is that we just were not ready for that game. And the Spurs did what the Spurs do. That was absolutely the worst team we could have faced after a week lay off.

I expect a much better performance against Utah on Saturday.

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So on board w that last statement

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hoopfanjd31 wrote:
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Another way how VDN screwed up was not getting bledsoe out on the floor earlier. With parker torching cp3 our best on ball defender should have been out there to defend parker much more. Parker would not have had that type of game if bledsoe was on him. Bledsoe is a shut down defender. CP3 is a good defender and a great thief. But bledsoe is by far the better overall defender.

I see your point and don't disagree, but I'm not sure it would have mattered. Bottom line is that we just were not ready for that game. And the Spurs did what the Spurs do. That was absolutely the worst team we could have faced after a week lay off.

I expect a much better performance against Utah on Saturday.

I don't think it would have mattered either. But VDN should have tried that early on. Spurs were playing small. Paul could have guarded Neal. I agree we weren't ready, weren't sharp with our execution offensively or defensively. Spurs played at the junk kings on Tuesday and that was relatively close. But having a game under their belt definitely helped the spurs.

We definitely won't play as bad again this year. Lets beat the jazz!

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The world according to 82-0:

Clippers get blown out by the best in the West, shooting 42% and committing 20 TO's = Vinny's fault.

Bulls get blown out by the best in the East, shooting 38% and committing 26 TO's = Thibs is god.

that's not fair dude cmon, look at the entire season in general. what tibbs is doing without his mvp and what del negro did without his mvp, and is even doing WITH cp playing

whatever, I think we should just drop the del negro thing. I think most of us agree he's not the coach to take us to the next level and WILL NOT be re-signed this off season, but also won't be fired with 2 months of regular seasons left

And over the entire season we have the 4th best record in the entire league!

I'm not knocking Thibs... he plays to his strength - defense, but his team has trouble scoring. Vinny's strength is pick-n-roll so he plays to it.

Maybe when your players are as butter-fingered as ours seem to be at times, running plays that require accurate passing through the heart of a defense isn't the best idea.

Even when we do run plays, our big men aren't very good at setting screens and half the time the passes aren't completed.

yeah, 4th overall but when you look deeper into that, you notice the inconsistency. a top 4 team in the league record wise, can't be that inconsistent, or else once playoffs come around we're screwed.

exactly, tibbs strength is defense. he leaves the offense all to rose, and i guess that can be tolerated because of how amazing the defense is. But our system just lacks a little bit (or in some categories alot of) everything.

our bigs suck at setting screens. I wonder why coach hasn't taught them how to do it properly yet. Vinny just doesn't prepare the team well enough (like a coach should) for games. the screens, getting out and guarding the 3, NOT getting lost on the pick on the defensive end

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Why are people just assuming that the Clippers won't play this badly again? Golden State, Toronto, and Miami whooped us just as badly. It's going to happen again. We'll win a few games in a row, take our eye off the ball, and get blown out. Lather, rinse, repeat.

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It's only the first game after the all-star game. I'm sure most of the players got lazy during the break or didn't work on their game. Plus, it didn't help that they had such a long layoff (6 days!!!). If the Clips come out flat again on Saturday, I will blame the sluggish start on CP3. It's only fitting that if he gets the credit when they're winning, it would be fair that he receives the criticism when they're losing rather than blaming VDN.

Exactly. No other coach in the league gets less credit for winning or more blame for losing.

Chris Paul could have asked for ANY available coach he wanted last summer and they extended Vinny. That should tell people all they need to know.

well, he loves Vinny cause he has 110% reign of the offense. Any point guard would love that. Also, Crawford loves him too, same reason

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Atleast the Spurs will be old and gone by next year....Oh wait I've been saying that for the last 3 years.

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Toronto we didn't even have Paul! Miami was his first game back. Obviously he was rusty. Okay, Golden State we have no excuses.

Lots of teams have bad games off and on. Can someone explain why Miami got crushed to New York twice, Milwaukee, memphis, and Indiana? But I doubt anyone is going to say they are inconsistent and will therefore be in trouble. This is a LONG season. If we are getting crushed in games near the playoffs then I would be worried. Momentum at the end of the season will be key, entering the playoffs. Guys will be forced to be ready mentally during that time. We definitely will play with more urgency as well.

Who knows, we could get on a streak during that time. I'm not guaranteeing that or saying you are 100% wrong either. We may have some bad games, just like many other playoff bound teams. But I'm trying to be realistic with some optimism. I'm not trying to overreact to these losses.

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They still will be good. Considering a team that has the best coach, always a pretty high seed, they haven't been good enough for awhile. 2007 was the last time they reached the finals. That's 5 years ago!

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Plus you guys realize once Duncan/Ginobili retire they'll probably reload with Al Jeff & Granger to keep that reign atop the West Conf going for years to come. roll

I aint even mad tho just wish we had a better coach than Vinny at the helm.

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Tony Parker has improved his passing tremendously in recent years so they will always be competitive for years to come.

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Btw, I like your location. Laughing at irrational laker morons! Lol.

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lobcityhawaii wrote:
82-0 wrote:
Why are people just assuming that the Clippers won't play this badly again? Golden State, Toronto, and Miami whooped us just as badly. It's going to happen again. We'll win a few games in a row, take our eye off the ball, and get blown out. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Toronto we didn't even have Paul! Miami was his first game back. Obviously he was rusty. Okay, Golden State we have no excuses.

Lots of teams have bad games off and on. Can someone explain why Miami got crushed to New York twice, Milwaukee, memphis, and Indiana? But I doubt anyone is going to say they are inconsistent and will therefore be in trouble. This is a LONG season. If we are getting crushed in games near the playoffs then I would be worried. Momentum at the end of the season will be key, entering the playoffs. Guys will be forced to be ready mentally during that time. We definitely will play with more urgency as well.

Who knows, we could get on a streak during that time. I'm not guaranteeing that or saying you are 100% wrong either. We may have some bad games, just like many other playoff bound teams. But I'm trying to be realistic with some optimism. I'm not trying to overreact to these losses.

thank you. unfortunately, some dont see anything aside from wanting to fire vdn with 25 games left in the season.

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Once Tim and Ginobli retire they will have a polished stud named Kawai Leanord and of course I'm sure they will draft an All-star in the 2nd round like always. They will always be a threat and they are the model of success and I hate them for that.

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I want to play the Spurs in the playoffs. They suck. Of course they were going to play like they did they are down 2-0 in the season series. They shot like 100% all game and that will not happen again.

They are absolutely 0 threat to anyone in the playoffs except maybe whoever they play in the first round. Every year the Spurs have a good record, and every year we hear the cliches, but really they are done and have been for a while. They are not championship contenders anymore. Their bums play like bums when it matters most and the old legs of Tim Duncan and Ginobili can only take them so far.

On another note, we played horrible. We were not even trying on defense, not getting out to the 3 pt shooters, not hustling, we seemingly gave up after the first quarter. Something was up with the team and I hope it is remedied soon. The guys had no energy... it was not the same team I have been watching all season. The Spurs are not as good as we made them look last night.

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Thank you Benja! The voice of reason...as shaq once said on any given night you can win a game just by playing with energy

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A core of Al Jeff and Granger will get you the 9th seed in the West tops. More likely they'll tank for high picks and try to rebuild around Kawhi Leonard, who could be the next great Spur.

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By the way, am I the only one who likes the Spurs on here? They're probably my second favorite team behind, of course, the Clippers. I just really enjoy watching their style of basketball (when they're not whooping us of course) and I'm jealous of Pop's coaching.

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The worst part was there's NOBODY on the TNT (well, maybe Shaq) who was on the Clippers's side. I had to sit there and listen to practically everyone tell us what's wrong with the Clippers and why Parker is "better" than Paul and how Blake's numbers are down because his opponents have allegedly figured out his game.

You'd think our record was terrible or something.

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This is a pretty good article about our response after this game from Broderick Turner of the LA Times: February 22, 2013, 6:21 p.m. Vinny Del Negro sat at his desk in his office late Thursday, long after most of his players had left a mostly quiet locker room. A few feet away, many of the Clippers' assistant coaches were still huddled in their office, their conversations quiet but succinct. Del Negro and his staff had just witnessed the team's worst loss of the season, a 116-90 thrashing by the San Antonio Spurs that left the coaches disappointed. "I didn't see the fight," Del....

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Another great article on where our heads are at. Sorry for the posts. Just looking for some positives after last night: The balance between learning as much as possible from the disastrous game and putting it completely behind the team is delicate, so Del Negro decided to make a quick joke, borrowing from the Lakers' "the season starts tomorrow" philosophy. "Our first game will be tomorrow night after the break. We'll be looking forward to that," he said Friday. "...We got to reset a little bit. The guys were still in Cabo, Hawaii and at the All-Star break. We got to get....

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Great links thanks guys. Btw of course Spurs shoot 40 percent tonight against the Warriors.

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At least Tony Parker choked and got thoroughly owned by Jarrett Jack. Maybe now the media will kill the hype?

Much like CP3 and his bizarre disappearing acts, TP has one irritating flaw in his game that never gets mentioned, and it's his tendency to switch into hero-ball mode the second any spotlight is shone on him and cost his team games. I'd rather have CP3's occasional passivity than TP's choking and hero-ball mentality, IMO.

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If you have balls the best learning experience comes from a public humiliation. It's nice that VDN talked of lack of motivation but could it have been from lack of something else like getting out coached. That should be the learning experience

SAS is my second favorite mostly because Duncan like Robinson (and Grant Hill) is such a class act. What would this sport be like if we had players like him, CP3 BG? articulate, they can conjugate verbs especially the verb "to be" and know that "man" refers to a person and not something used to end a clause. Their pistols are full of water and are used to squirt at their kids. Baron Davis' and Steph Marbury's come to mind.

Also because of Pop. If someone like Iverson didn't practice he wouldn't play period

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Spurs are immune to criticism. People conveniently bury their bad games under the rug. Us on the other hand.. everybody wants to talk about when we get our asses kick. I feel like we have the spotlight of a Lakers/Knicks/Heat team. Everybody is sitting around waiting to rip us apart and when we do well, they refuse to give credit.

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Yeah, I noticed that as well. One of the reasons why i hate the Spurs. It's unfortunate for us but can't be helped. We just got to go out there and win.

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True, but Spurs also don't get much praise either. Tony Parker has bee a lights out under-rated player for years.

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This isn't true. We have this season gotten glowing media coverage only to choke it away with some terrible performances like the one on Thursday that really make you scratch your head. I'm still angry about that game and honestly don't know if we will be ae to win tonight. I don't trust this team right now. At least last year if they got way down I always bought they had a chance to win it. For some reason this years group, while a lot more talented, seems softer than last years. Or more entitled. Either way I wish they brought more grit night in night out.

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82-0 wrote:
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Plus you guys realize once Duncan/Ginobili retire they'll probably reload with Al Jeff & Granger to keep that reign atop the West Conf going for years to come. roll

I aint even mad tho just wish we had a better coach than Vinny at the helm.

A core of Al Jeff and Granger will get you the 9th seed in the West tops. More likely they'll tank for high picks and try to rebuild around Kawhi Leonard, who could be the next great Spur.

9 seed lol Jefferson/Granger/Parker would still be elite.

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