How Worried is Everyone and Question About 3 Point Defense

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Letsgetthew
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These last few big games, and really since the December to remember, we have been extremely mediocre. I just don't see any sustained improvement at developing the offense or, most annoying, defending the three ball. I see other teams coming into their own now (memphis, nuggets, even lakers in a twisted way) and i see us going the other way. This team lacks the grit and fire of last year's team, which IMHO won us a lot of games. At this rate, who knows if we can make it past round one, given our trajectory. I'm sad and concerned and feel like the first half of the season was a tease. My question is, how many of you still think we can get t together? What is it going to take? please down say fire vinny, as we are saddled with him this season. I mean in the short Term? what are we doing defensively that we continue get torched by three pointers? I just don't see how such a glaring weakness isn't fixed by now. Is it effort? Is it the design of the rotations?

Voyeur
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I think we go back to the defense we played in the first half of the season. It may have had it's flaws but it worked very well for us.

CP3Heliflopter
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The Heat, Thunder, and the Spurs hit the three ball at an elite rate. If we can't guard the 3 we are screwed. Plain and simple. Right now our team is letting players get wide open corner 3s which is unacceptable.

Thats almost as bad as giving a wide open layup in some cases even worse if the player shooting it shoots it at a good rate.

FightOnRon
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My vote,,get rid of the 3 pointer then let's see what happens to these teams that can't man up and go inside.

It does bother me. there was that one game about 5 games ago where we dominated by never ever letting the other team get their 3 point or deep set shots. We need to just keep this from happening. It bothers me more then anything on this team,, lack of 3 point defense.

ClipperDodger1214
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It really boggles me how we have made any improvements on our perimeter defense. Honestly, it's not that difficult: Stop collasping the paint. Everytime we try to double team someone, they just throw into the corner for the open 3. Bledsoe in particular always seems to try help on D instead of worrying of his man on the wing and usually gets burned. Teams want us to double team their bigs. If they just stop trying to collaspe the paint, it could make a difference.

Grillinnap
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Very concerning. If you still feel good just because of our awesome first half, you're in denial and a homer.

FightOnRon
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You watch and they ALL collapse to the paint as though they ALL are going to get the rebound and they leave these guys open. You'd think after a month or two they would have figured out one or two should stay outside with the outside shooter, especially with team that rain the 3s.

Voyeur
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Hmmm...I feel good about the way we played in the first half. That's a little different.

lobcityhawaii
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Very concerning. The trend for all of our losses is the other team shoots lights out from 3. I still have faith that we will improve. But it needs to happen soon, with the playoffs coming up.

BoomRizzle
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It's gonna be why we eventually get knocked out. It hasn't just been the last few games. It's been a problem all season. Just about every time a decent shooting 3 point team comes in we make them look like championship contenders, even if they're really not.

BoomRizzle
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On cue:

@ArashMarkazi: In the Clippers' 20 losses this season, opponents have made 46.7% of their three-pointers.

lobcityhawaii
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Clearly the biggest problem. Something needs to be done. Our 3pt defense is almost as bad as the lakers. They give up way more open 3's then even us.

lobcityhawaii
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Lakers I can see why suck so badly on defense cause of Dantoni doesn't know how to coach defense. So any teams that somehow struggle scoring against them have no excuse and means the lakers got lucky and are just hoping the other team is off or makes stupid turnovers.

CP3Heliflopter
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Wow I knew it was bad but.... Geez. Shocked

lobcityhawaii
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CP3Heliflopter wrote:
BoomRizzle wrote:
On cue:

@ArashMarkazi: In the Clippers' 20 losses this season, opponents have made 46.7% of their three-pointers.

Wow I knew it was bad but.... Geez. Shocked

Everyone shoots like Steve Kerr for that game. Which is ridiculous.

Grillinnap
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We badly need a two-way small forward like Luol Deng, just seeing that stat in our 20 losses. Well, not necessarily as good offensively as Deng, but Caron is just so bad defensively at this point of his career. Barnes has been good for us this season, but he's nowhere near as good defensively as Deng. I miss Quinton Ross.

lobcityhawaii
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Wilson Chandler would be someone cheaper but pretty good. He can shoot the 3 and is long and athletic on defense. I miss Q also.

GhostShip
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I know Andre Iguduala is a free agent this year. If we gave him lamar dollars and some of billups money I think we could sign him. He would be a perfect fit. A athletic wing who is a great defender. Maybe 8-10 mill would do the trick.

Wilson Chandler makes 6 -7 mill a year and he isnt a free agent for two more years.

CP3Heliflopter
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Wilson Chandler would be sweet. He was pretty good when he was on the Knicks and got injured. Seems to be recovering nicely and just had a 35 point game against OKC.

lobcityhawaii
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Iguodala would be nice. If he could improve his ft and 3pt %s he would the ultimate fit.

Letsgetthew
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I like iggy too - we need a 3 point specialist as a backup if we sign him tho

BACON
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I think there are a lot more folks on this site that are worried. (But are too much of a tough Guy to admit it). I think the days of lower expectations and hoping we can win are gone. We finally for the past 2 seasons have been spoiled to the point that anything mediocre is no longer tolerated. We as Clippers fans now EXPECT to win (especially with the current roster and the acquisition of CP3) so when the team starts showing signs of weakness and is losing more often, It causes the fans to worry... I truly believe ALL of us are worried, even if some don't want to admit it. With that being said... Its OK to worry about a team we all love... Go Clippers!

tha_situation
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guarding the 3 is all about rotating, you need 5 smart guys with hustle. One of our players is constantly out of position and it messes up the rotations for everybody else, that's why our 3 point defense is horrible.

Amnesty_David_Stern
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Kyle Korver

CapsNClips
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Most of the time one of our wing players has to help guard the Center player on the opposing team because DJ is either in foul trouble and he's just not a great defender and it draws a gap for an open 3.

tha_situation
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Don't talk ill of DJ, his fan boys will go after you.

Clipswhit
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Personally, I'm not worried. Me worrying and throwing hissy fits over a computer do nothing for the team. I maintain my support for the team, but I hope that the guys are doing what they can to correct their flaws.

KP
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I look at our 3 pt defense and Im unsure what to do... alot of you make it seem simple but its not... its a real problem

1- our guards seem to not be able to stay in front of anyone lately... especially cp3

2- players are constantly gambling even when they shouldnt (especially bledsoe)... this ones tuff because these same gambles get us alot of fast breaks

3- we crowd the paint in an attempt to not give up an easy basket which in turn becomes an open 3

I can tell vinny is trying to fix it but Im uncertain he will be able to

Im extremely concerned... and my concern starts with cp3, since the all star break my dude has been getting torched

KP
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blake needs to stop going for pump fakes

and turiaf needs to not be playing anymore... hollins > turiaf... I still dont understand why we didnt try and get andre blatche this off season, we could have had him for pennies

I think we need to play more inside out... give it to blake and let him create... even give it to dj more... we rely far too much on cp3 to penetrate, that style is way too taxing

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