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Amnesty_David_Stern
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Go look for yourself at the NBA page on ESPN. It should be the main photo/story there. Can the Clippers beat OKC or SA in a playoff matchup?

They make it seem like the Spurs are the greatest passing team of all time and our athleticism will mean jack squat if we play them. I bet we crush SA 4-1 or 4-2 if we play them. SA plays horrible teams coached by horrible coaches in the regular season and performs at a high level against those teams. See the 39pt win against Detroit as an example.

Why does our team receive no credit at all? May just be me, but I think were better than basically getting manhandled by either of these 2 teams in round 2 of the playoffs. And there's a legit chance we don't play either team in round 2 at all, if we make it there.

When playoff time comes, with how well this team has performed this year I bet we buckle down and outshine the Thunder and the Spurs.

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That's junk we dont get much credit but we just need to use all this as bulletin board material and prove everyone wrong. I guess everyone is looking at us like the underdogs. Whatever. They can kiss up to okc and SA.

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in less than 6 min lakers will be tied for 8th. I hope houston gets the 6th spot...I dont want to face the warriors at all.

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Dream on...

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Agree. Lakers having to reply on gifts from Utah to make playoffs. Dam Utah! I hate them now!

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if this same team had Laker uniforms on,they would kiss their asses.because it's the Clippers,they get no respect.it will always be that way until we win a title.could happen this year.

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Too be honest I don't even care anymore. What's new? We're always the underdogs.

KP
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I cant even front Im kinda scared of both the thunder and the spurs

the thunder owned us this yr... and it seems like vinny has some inferiority complex vs popovich... makes me feel like Im watching "the waterboy"

Id rather play the spurs than the thunder tho

KP
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thats how I feel as far as "credit" goes

we have never made it out the 2nd rd, Im not sure how much credit we really deserve

teams like memphis tend to not get credit as well... so the only teams they really give credit too are the teams that have at least made it to the conference finals

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The NBA is all about momentum and will power. there's about 20 games left in the season so this is the time to make a run and build some momentum going into the playoffs.

At this moment, all of the analysts have pretty much written us off and concluded that the Spurs and the Thunder are the only to real contenders in the west with Denver as the sleeper. With the Lakers making a strong push for that 8th spot, all of the attention has been taken off us making us an underdog once again. IMO this is a good thing because it allows us the element of surprise.

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We dropped to 4th smh

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we're guaranteed a top 4 seed, but i'd like to get back to 3rd

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Is this the same board that was crying about the Clipper's inability to perform against top teams? Funny, when ESPN reports the same things people on here cry about, we rally and get back behind the team.

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The ESPN Dime article simply cites scouts' opinions on outcomes on various playoff matchups, not the authors/editors. That said, the Western conference scout comments on whether the Clippers could actually win playoff matchups with the Spurs and Thunder is entirely unsurprising given the Clippers' recent unimpressive performances against the Spurs, Heat, and Thunder. The Clips' performance has been very predictable--they win against the doormat teams and lose against the top-seeded ones.

The Clippers' coaches need to design defensive and offensive plays against the elite teams--Spurs, Heat, Thunder so far--for the team to advance deep in the playoffs, let alone pose a threat for the title this year. I have regarded Vinny Del Negro (VDN) as underrated, but the consistently subpar performance against the top-seeded teams is perhaps revealing his limitations. If the Clippers don't advance far in the playoffs this year, the Clippers need to seriously consider a coaching change, or, at the very least, making VDN's new contract contingent on his upgrading his assistant coaches--provided he can even attract better assistants to work for him.

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The media can kiss my clipper fan ass !! Finals period !!

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This is a no brainer.

Don't get me wrong because I've been Clipper Nation since Keith Kloss and Piatkowski (boy do I wish we had him) but the truth is what's true and usually a hard pill to swallow but as George Clinton aka Dr Funkinstein once said "The bigger the headache, the bigger the pill" He's right.

We and everybody including the media and our opponents know our flaws and the flaws have obviously been exploited well. How many times have we been blown out by good teams? If you know what the problem is and if you have the rescources there is no excuse for not fixing it. If you don't fix them you don't deserve to win.

Can it be fixed in 20 games??? If not forget WCF. Getting out of the first round may be tough. As far as the PO's last yr remember why we won? Nick Young dropping threes faster than Ray Allen on meth. We got lucky. (sorta) Is Denver a dark horse? Yes They never lose at home and they killed us.

Except maybe MEM which team in the top six would you bet $1000 that we could beat? Sorry but throw the Lakers in the mix. They may be finding their groove. They were a team predicted to possibly take it all. Kobe will play as many minutes as needed if he needs a wheelchair. If he does everybody else will. I've said this all season. They will be #7 and it wouldn't surprise me if they're #6 They are very dangerous. Remember we looked like Moose nuggets twice on TNT. If we don't make a good effort in the 2nd round taking it to 7 VND will be gone faster than Korlev or whatever his name was.

With the probable exception of MIA we are arguably the most talented team in the NBA. Kerr said we are winning by talent alone and we are #4. What would we be with the problems fixed? We better or kiss it off.

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Now I'm not saying this with any intention to diss anyone. Wouldn't it be cool if Clippers got out of LA and re-located somewhere else? I know Sacramento might be open or Seattle if that whole thing falls through. That way they can be their own team and own their city without having to share.

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We can admit that we are concerned amongst are own (ie this forum) but when the outside world doesn't give us credit we are annoyed. This is all very natural.

As far as I am concerned I am worried about wether we can match up with OKC and the Spurs. We have seen the team do really well against the elite teams in the early part of the season and do pretty badly more recently. We all know we have the potential to go deep in the playoff's but the we have seen some weaknesses that are real cause for concern. So it kind of hangs in the balance.

But if we are underdogs that is definitley all good. Under the radar works for me. It is better than having a target on your back.

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This backwards run we are in is getting me worried. For one, I think the ONLY way we get out of the 1st round is to have home court. Couple of more losses and that is gone too. Sucks.

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Ron

If we beat the Pistons and the Grizzlies we are back in 3rd.

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^^we're guaranteed a top 4 seed if we win the division.

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If we end up the 4 seed and Denver the 5 seed we're in trouble. I don't think it's that far fetched for Denver to steal a game at Staples, while winning a game in Denver would be a lot harder for the Clips.

Good teams use these last 20 games to figure things out and get a little momentum and the Clips are yet to do either of them. Clips need a game tonight where the starters don't play the 4th and need to beat Memphis on Wednesday.

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Based on what? We got swept in the season series against the Thunder and just recently got pummeled at home by the Spurs. Wins early in the season aren't as meaningful because teams haven't locked in and adjusted yet.

Our team is very flawed and teams have figured out our weaknesses especially our 3 point defense and half court offense which have shown no progress in terms of improving or getting fixed.

If we don't fix these problems we are definitely not favorites against either of those teams especially if they have HCA.

Don't be a homer.

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I'm not worried as much about these teams. Seems like we have lost to all these good teams recently because we have played them on back to backs or coming off road trips. We won't know until the playoffs how things will go.

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The problem right now is that of the top 9 teams in the West the Clippers, Warriors, and Jazz are the only teams that haven't improved throughout the season. The other six teams are currently playing their best ball of the season and look to be getting stronger. The Clips have the next 5 weeks to figure this out or things could get ugly come playoff time.

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I 100% agree with this

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Tell you what,,no one will beat OKC. The one way biased foul calling gives them the edge always. Right now against Boston at the half,,Bos shoots 7 ft,,,21 for OKC. You just can't win an 8-5 game.

KP
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Yea, it amazes me that durant gets so many techs even tho he gets so many calls

Its like he wants ALL the calls lol

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FightOnRon wrote:
Tell you what,,no one will beat OKC. The one way biased foul calling gives them the edge always. Right now against Boston at the half,,Bos shoots 7 ft,,,21 for OKC. You just can't win an 8-5 game.

Not true. Miami absolutely destroyed and wrecked OKC at home. Lebron made Durant look like chump change though Durant was busy padding stats in the fourth and in the final minutes of the game to make it look like he actually played well.

However, Miami is probably the only team that can annihilate the OKC even with ref help. That was a terribly officiated game btw which surprised me. OKC even got a crap load of ref biase against Miami but it was still a blow out. Isolation does not work against Miami. You need ball movement. The OKC offense sucks and relies on refs. No calls=mediocre.

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Yea, it amazes me that durant gets so many techs even tho he gets so many calls

Its like he wants ALL the calls lol

He is a fake humble diva that has entitlement issues. He has been spoiled ever since he entered the league with great players like Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka. He gets all the credit while every other player namely Westbrook gets the blame. David Stern tries to make Durant look better than he really is to build up an illusion of a rivalry with Lebron and also to make the OKC a good team so they forget about the Seattle Supersonics mess.

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CP3Heliflopter wrote:
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Tell you what,,no one will beat OKC. The one way biased foul calling gives them the edge always. Right now against Boston at the half,,Bos shoots 7 ft,,,21 for OKC. You just can't win an 8-5 game.

Not true. Miami absolutely destroyed and wrecked OKC at home. Lebron made Durant look like chump change though Durant was busy padding stats in the fourth and in the final minutes of the game to make it look like he actually played well.

However, Miami is probably the only team that can annihilate the OKC even with ref help. That was a terribly officiated game btw which surprised me. OKC even got a crap load of ref biase against Miami but it was still a blow out. Isolation does not work against Miami. You need ball movement. The OKC offense sucks and relies on refs. No calls=mediocre.

Thats true... when i read rons post i figured he was only talking about the west tho

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KP wrote:
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Tell you what,,no one will beat OKC. The one way biased foul calling gives them the edge always. Right now against Boston at the half,,Bos shoots 7 ft,,,21 for OKC. You just can't win an 8-5 game.

Not true. Miami absolutely destroyed and wrecked OKC at home. Lebron made Durant look like chump change though Durant was busy padding stats in the fourth and in the final minutes of the game to make it look like he actually played well.

However, Miami is probably the only team that can annihilate the OKC even with ref help. That was a terribly officiated game btw which surprised me. OKC even got a crap load of ref biase against Miami but it was still a blow out. Isolation does not work against Miami. You need ball movement. The OKC offense sucks and relies on refs. No calls=mediocre.

Thats true... when i read rons post i figured he was only talking about the west tho

In the West its probably true unless the Spurs big 3 manages to find the fountain of youth. They actually got jobbed by refs in game 6 vs OKC but I think their core is too old to go all the way. They will probably be gassed later in the series. However, Tony Parker and Tim Duncan look better than they did last season so I won't count them out just yet.

With fair officiating I am not even sure if the Thunder would be better than the Grizzlies.

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With fair officiating lakers wouldn't even make the playoffs! And okc will prob win the west. Those 2 teams get too much favoritism.

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I was talking the West only. I suppose when the NBA gets their way and have MIA vs OKC in the finals (wow,,something new and exciting) the officiating may have to be closer to honest,,but that is just a may.

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MIA vs OKC would just be a snore fest. I would hate it. We already know Durant is nowhere near Lebron even with ref help. Its tiresome and boring watching OKC shoot Fts for half the game and they would lose just like last time in 5 games.

Clippers or Spurs would be better even Memphis would be more interesting since they matchup well against the Heat.

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CP3Heliflopter wrote:
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I was talking the West only. I suppose when the NBA gets their way and have MIA vs OKC in the finals (wow,,something new and exciting) the officiating may have to be closer to honest,,but that is just a may.

MIA vs OKC would just be a snore fest. I would hate it. We already know Durant is nowhere near Lebron even with ref help. Its tiresome and boring watching OKC shoot Fts for half the game and they would lose just like last time in 5 games.

Clippers or Spurs would be better even Memphis would be more interesting since they matchup well against the Heat.

I agree

My dude vdn will be coaching for his job in these playoffs so hopefully he gets it done

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Sorry to pee in the punchbowl but guys time for a reality check

  1. Denver beating us at home us is not a steal it's highly probable

  2. If the refs screw us we can't change that we'll just lose points. It's a non issue

  3. The Lakers are on a roll. Everybody forgets that they were one of the teams predicted to win it all. Their poor first half wasn't due to a bad team, it was an internal meltdown which seems to have gone away. Again possibly #6. Kobe is a beast. It may not be probable but possible. they can beat us.

4 With an injury to CP3, BG Crawford or possibly Barnes forget it

5 Remember that we've gotten blown out three times since Jan

  1. Our seed now is based on wins agains weak teams and against teams that we beat early on who have blow us out since Jan

7 Our seed means nothing. The proper question is whether we can beat any other PO team.

8 Maybe Billups is being saved for the PO's but he hasn't been great

9 Hill has hit maybe two shots

10 We have an easy schedule relative to MEM. our % of wins may be higher but their quality as a team may be better.

11 Unless we fix this now the season is shot

Again we may not get out of the first round if we are even #3 or #4

I would be worried about a LAL, LAC series. We can't defend threes. Kobe and Nash drop threes like rain.

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The Clippers don't really deserve to be in these conversations. They've been playing low seed basketball ever since their 17 game winning streak got snapped. Lets be real, that 17 game winning streak was in a really easy schedule at a time where teams are still working on getting their chemistry together. This is the part of the season that teams are supposed to step it up and so far, the Clippers haven't stepped it up. Getting blown out in our losses will not put the Clippers in conversations with elite teams.

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We're not getting recognition because we have beat no teams of worth in the year of 2013, We got manhandled by SA, OKC, and Denver, the times when we were winning 17 in a row and blowing out SA are a thing of last year, LITERALLY!

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KP wrote:
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I was talking the West only. I suppose when the NBA gets their way and have MIA vs OKC in the finals (wow,,something new and exciting) the officiating may have to be closer to honest,,but that is just a may.

MIA vs OKC would just be a snore fest. I would hate it. We already know Durant is nowhere near Lebron even with ref help. Its tiresome and boring watching OKC shoot Fts for half the game and they would lose just like last time in 5 games.

Clippers or Spurs would be better even Memphis would be more interesting since they matchup well against the Heat.

I agree

My dude vdn will be coaching for his job in these playoffs so hopefully he gets it done

Yeah, and with the next coach and the same roster youll get the same result, oh wonder...

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How are we GUARANTEED a top 4 seed? Memphis and Denver are RIGHT behind us with 15 games left.

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EXCELLENT POST. There is no guarantee we'll get out of the first round. Every round will be tough.

I believe we will handle Warriors, Houston, or Jazz.

Memphis, Denver are scary.

If we face the Lakers, we don't get home court advantage. WHERE ARE YOU CLIPPER NATION?

For some reason, I think we could handle the Spurs.

OKC is nuts.

Heat, even more.

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I'm not worried about the 1st round unless we end up being the 4th seed without homecourt advantage.

We should crush all the lower teams if we are healthy.

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haha, short and to the point. I like it. But I agree, I'm sick of the media. They almost never have a good thing to say about us. It's always all about the Spurs and Thunder. They never seem to say that the Clippers are 2-1 against San Antonio. Not to mention that CP3 didn't play the 2nd game of the Thunder series, we got robbed of this last game, and the 1st game went into OT despite CP3 playing a horrible game.

But hey, come playoff time, nobody better "F" with us, because we're still a dangerous team.

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No, go back to lurking.

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All I'mma say is, we DO NOT want that 4 spot. We barely got out against Memphis last year. It's going to be worse against Denver.

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We had this same dilemma happen last year. Coming into the playoffs we dropped down to the 5th seed, and the Grizzlies secured home court against us. All of ESPN and others thought Grizzlies were going to win the series. You cant really blame them because if a team has secured home court in a matchup they should be favored...they earned it.

In the beginning of the season we started hot, but as of late we are 0-3 against the Spurs, Thunder, and Heat. People have written us off, and we are to blame for that.

Bottom line if we take care of business the media coverage will improve, but until then we have to own up to the fact that we have given them all reason to doubt us.

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Despite our 0-3 record against the Warriors I have some kind of intuition that we will beat them. However, much like last year I feel that we have made the road more difficult on ourselves because the Warriors are a team that can give us fits. To boot they are a scrappy team whose players are very physical against us.

I see us beating them, but something tells me that team is going to make us battle for that series win, and I suspect when all is said and done we will have some injuries after that matchup.

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pageC4 wrote:
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I'm not worried about the 1st round unless we end up being the 4th seed without homecourt advantage.

We should crush all the lower teams if we are healthy.

Despite our 0-3 record against the Warriors I have some kind of intuition that we will beat them. However, much like last year I feel that we have made the road more difficult on ourselves because the Warriors are a team that can give us fits. To boot they are a scrappy team whose players are very physical against us.

I see us beating them, but something tells me that team is going to make us battle for that series win, and I suspect when all is said and done we will have some injuries after that matchup.

We were 1-3 against them. We smashed them once, they smashed us once and the other 2 were close.

However, GSW is playing terrible recently. It will be close games but I think our experience and homecourt will overcome them. They rely too much on the 3pt shot, which can be dangerous but also could hurt their consistency.

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personally would rather face Denver than GSt in the playoffs, and as a fan like the way the playoffs are shaping up: Spurs/Lakes, OKC/Harden & Co., Grizz/GSt.... some good matchups, and.... want to give a shout out to exClipps Mo & Randy who along w/their team, deserve an honorable mention for their good works this season.

as for us, haven't forgot how Vinny & Co. were en fuego for a long while, and now it's hard not to have my doubts about him.... again.

my biggest beef is him seemingly making DJ out for a scapegoat.... how many games have his FTs lost us ? how is it that he doesn't get credit for his defense, intangibles, infectious body language ?? dude needs to play at least 30-36 mins/game, and Turiaf, not Odom, needs to be his backup.

still don't like Lamar's interior defense, his body language and his outside shot.... he should be Blake's backup, and play more 3 than one, if and when he can.... and still suspect the root reason is that Vinny is more worried about vindication as opposed to villification....

also seeing how Memphis is doing w/o Gay, am thinking it even more important that we focus on ball movement and avoid isolation more than ever, i.e. Blake and/or Jamal, and.... that we need to draft a complementary sf this year.

and last, Donald is never (ever) gonna move his team out and away from BevHills, and.... if Vinny needs new asst coaches, might as well do a complete do over w/a new HC.... as said before, would like Laimbeer and James Edwards as big man coaches for Blake and DJ....

ps. another area of concern is that Paul is playing anything but $110m defense....

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