Blake Griffin Calling Out Vinny's Defensive Plan?

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I put a question mark in the title because it's more open to interpretation but he indirectly seems to call out Vinny's defensive game plan IMO. He says he doesn't "buy it" or "agree" with Vinny saying the defensive problems are related to the bigs then he mentions how it's hard to perform the same defensive plan when it changes every game. It's a nice way of saying we need to have a defensive identity and not constantly switch things around.

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Gotta say... your interpretation might be right. Blake seems pretty dismissive of the question... and maybe of the coach.

Either way, I don't like it. Bad timing, bad form... CP3 would never do something like that... And we all know he can (and WILL) pick his guy.

As much as I love what BG can do on the floor, he's coming over as something of a punk lately.

Vinny aside, Blake's behavior recently makes me worry that he might be becoming a bit of a diva.

Don't make me change my avatar to a Craw-fish, Blake!

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toohipcliptoslip wrote:
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Gotta say... your interpretation might be right. Blake seems pretty dismissive of the question... and maybe of the coach.

Either way, I don't like it. Bad timing, bad form... CP3 would never do something like that... And we all know he can (and WILL) pick his guy.

As much as I love what BG can do on the floor, he's coming over as something of a punk lately.

Vinny aside, Blake's behavior recently makes me worry that he might be becoming a bit of a diva.

Don't make me change my avatar to a Craw-fish, Blake!

Would he be a diva under Pop of Sloane?

Crawfish etouffe is damned good

The Armagnac has a point... but the Irish-Whiskey is saying "I'm the f***** Boss!" - I drink too!

Unless Blake has a Popovich type coach who's job is guaranteed, the attitude won't change... Frankly, it's up to CP3 because there's nobody we can bring in that will dominate him.

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toohipcliptoslip wrote:
cleepers wrote:
Gotta say... your interpretation might be right. Blake seems pretty dismissive of the question... and maybe of the coach.

Either way, I don't like it. Bad timing, bad form... CP3 would never do something like that... And we all know he can (and WILL) pick his guy.

As much as I love what BG can do on the floor, he's coming over as something of a punk lately.

Vinny aside, Blake's behavior recently makes me worry that he might be becoming a bit of a diva.

Don't make me change my avatar to a Craw-fish, Blake!

Would he be a diva under Pop of Sloane?

Crawfish etouffe is damned good

Possibly, divas are divas. I.e. deron williams

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Phu7 wrote:
toohipcliptoslip wrote:
Would he be a diva under Pop of Sloane?

Possibly, divas are divas. I.e. deron williams

Wise words.

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Warning: this vid contains bricks.

On topic: yeh i guess he is calling out vinny.. but well.. its taken him some time tbh..

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I guess the good news is that there will be a new coach next year.

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Hopefully a better coach!

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Seemed like it too me also,,he wouldn't directly answer in order to not directly accuse Vinny but he did,,,,,guess the honeymoon is finally over.

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Cleepers personally I think BG deserves props for being honest without attacling Vinny directly. I'm personally tired of CP3 and BG trying way too hard to be PC and giving boring, generic answers. Blake's obviously intelligent so this isn't a random attack or anything. Even if he is becoming a primadonna all superstars eventually do. Look at Mr Humble Durant? He's been such a douche this year.

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Vinny calling out the bigs? Who is he going to use as a scapegoat this time? A washed up Lamar Odom or DJ? The Lamar Odom he loves overplaying or DJ who he loves benching?

VDN's system is incredibly flawed. We use a defensive system similar to Miami but Miami only uses that system to compensate for the fact that they have NO BIGS except Bosh who is a stretch forward and Birdman who plays few minutes. So they have no one to protect the paint usually. We have DJ, Turiaf, Hollins, Lamar Odom and BG. We don't have to rely on that kind of system especially since our rotations are not very sharp and leave players wide open from deep. Our interior defense is fine without over-rotating since we have bigs to contest shots.

When I watch Miami play their rotations are a lot sharper and they close in on players a lot faster. They have smarter players, better individual defenders and better chemistry so they are one of the few teams that can pull this off. Our players are constantly loss and confused when they use this system. Its not an easy system to pull off otherwise more teams would use it and its not a system that we need to use.

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kurple wrote:
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Cleepers personally I think BG deserves props for being honest without attacling Vinny directly. I'm personally tired of CP3 and BG trying way too hard to be PC and giving boring, generic answers. Blake's obviously intelligent so this isn't a random attack or anything. Even if he is becoming a primadonna all superstars eventually do. Look at Mr Humble Durant? He's been such a douche this year.

how's it going dude? miss you at ish

wanted to PM you, but the 50 post limit is pretty gay

Hey Kurple welcome Very Happy . I'll private message you my email right now so you can stay in touch.

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Totally agree with you about Durant... I actually saw it last year after we beat them in their house (the game where Blake ate Perkins).

Still... awful timing. Nothing's going to change right now. Couldn't he have waited until we lose our last game of the year?

CP3 is a man about this kind of stuff. Blake could learn a thing or two from him.

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cleepers wrote:
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Cleepers personally I think BG deserves props for being honest without attacling Vinny directly. I'm personally tired of CP3 and BG trying way too hard to be PC and giving boring, generic answers. Blake's obviously intelligent so this isn't a random attack or anything. Even if he is becoming a primadonna all superstars eventually do. Look at Mr Humble Durant? He's been such a douche this year.

Totally agree with you about Durant... I actually saw it last year after we beat them in their house (the game where Blake ate Perkins).

Still... awful timing. Nothing's going to change right now. Couldn't he have waited until we lose our last game of the year?

CP3 is a man about this kind of stuff. Blake could learn a thing or two from him.

dont you mean "...until we WIN our last game of the year?"??

Still, dont we have a defensive coach? wouldnt the blame be on him as well (or solely) not just vinny?

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^ Love that attitude. Championship or bust!

And yeah... why isn't there a "Fire Bobby-O" thread? Seems like we were actually BETTER defensively before he arrived.

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Not really Cleepers, this team has the best Drtg so far since the Buffalo Brave days. Somebody or somebodies must be doing something right.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAC/

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I watched the video, but could barely hear clearly what was said, so thanks for the summary. I don't think there is anything wrong with what Blake said. He just didn't agree with Vinny Del Negro saying the defensive problems are related to the bigs. What's he going to do- lie and say oh yeah VDN is right the bigs are the problems?

I don't agree with an assessment that the defensive problems are related to the bigs either because we get hurt the most on 3 point shots, and most of the time it's guys sagging off their man too much trying to "help" with penetration.

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tense2 wrote:
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And yeah... why isn't there a "Fire Bobby-O" thread? Seems like we were actually BETTER defensively before he arrived.

Not really Cleepers, this team has the best Drtg so far since the Buffalo Brave days. Somebody or somebodies must be doing something right.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAC/

I guess you're right. For some reason, I thought he came along after the season started.

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I tried to pay attention to Blake, but my eye kept noticing DJ missing almost every f*cking FT attempt. He's our real problem, isn't he supposed to be our defensive anchor? Since he's not that shouldn't he have an offensive game? Well he doesn't and that renders him useless.

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^^All though lately the defense HAS been the big problem in our recent play.

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Good for VDN. It was about time VDN grew some nuts and actually critiqued someone. I think VDN is spot on in his assessment based solely on my opinion.

Defenses usually breakdown when the defensive anchor of the team is not trusted, or makes boneheaded mistakes that causes the perimeter players to sag in the paint. DJ, IMO, is the main culprit. BG also tends to play out of position that makes other guys come closer to the paint.

It's easy to blame the perimeter players when you see all the three's falling. Since our guards and wings are usually guarding them, it's easy to lay the blame on the guys guarding them. It isn't as simple as that.

A big problem that goes back to last year is DJ's propensity to always try and trap the guard out on the perimeter. He chases so far out that CP3 has to switch which leaves our defense exposed. I can see what DJ is trying to do but what happens is that after the switch, DJ tries to get back into the paint, lags off the switch to help CP3 in the post, and our guys are scrambling to pick up the open man.

There are so many unneeded switches that ( see DJ and BG) our bigs force our guards to scramble so much. To me, that is our biggest problem. I wish CP3 was more assertive in calling DJ off those switches. I wish our guards would tell our bigs that they shouldn't switch but leave room to fight over a screen.

You guys want proof on this? Watch our bench on defense and see the difference. In fact, watch Turiaf and Hollins and see the difference. Those guys are sound when it comes to team defense. Is Vinny really looking at scapegoating our bigs? Or is VDN pointing out the obvious? To be honest, I really think VDN is talking about DJ but generalized his comments to not hurt the egomaniac with low self esteem.

Want more proof that VDN is not scapegoating? Billups and CP3 in the last 2 games have went hard at DJ for his horrible defense. I'm pretty sure there is a consensus that DJ's defense is causing a lot of our defensive problems.

I've read that we should get a "better" coach that would put the players in their place. A coach that would take charge. A coach that would coem down on his players for lack of intensity. Well, Pop, Rivers, and Thibs are known to call out their players in public...Especially Pops. So now that VDN does it, he's trying to protect his hide at the expense of his players?

Funny how that works...

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I will agree with you there. DJ is not doing a good job protecting the paint. I see guys blow by him all the time and he often doesn't contest shots. He also should never be out on the perimeter. He needs to be protecting the paint nearly all the time. He has not improved at all on the defensive end in fact he has gotten worse. He blocks a lot less shots than he has in the past and his FT shooting has gotten worse.

So yea I think you are right. DJ's lack of reliability forces us to switch way too often(He isn't much of a presence in the paint). A defense that relies too much on switching is difficult to execute and drains a lot of energy. When I watch Miami play they often coast on defense since this kind of defense is really tiring. It requires a lot more energy than traditional defenses and is not so easy to execute. Also this kind of defense can really screw you over if you don't switch or close on shooters fast enough.

So yes I think DJ has a lot of the blame and maybe I was wrong to blame VDN as much as I did(at least on the defensive end).

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Sounds like he needs to watch more tape on his opponents.

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Btw I agree with Joe here and Vinny that our bigs are screwing up outside of Blake who's played good D all year. Odom was brilliant early defensively but has declined bad. I think our biggest defensive weaknesses are DJ and our SG spot.

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"B-B-But... Vinny... sucks... not 82-0... all his fault."

Great post.

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Ultimately, it is up to our C. Its not BG's job to protect the paint its DJ's job and Odom's job. Neither is doing a good job atm. Lately we have been a middling defensive team.

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Miami was bad in 3PT defense for a good amount of the season themselves and weren't playing at a high level defensively. Miami though has some of the most mobile perimeter guys in the league who cover a lot of ground, paired with Shane Battier and a very mobile big in Bosh. Caron and Billups can't do what Lebron and Wade do defensively in terms of covering ground.

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Agent0 wrote:
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Vinny calling out the bigs? Who is he going to use as a scapegoat this time? A washed up Lamar Odom or DJ? The Lamar Odom he loves overplaying or DJ who he loves benching?

When I watch Miami play their rotations are a lot sharper and they close in on players a lot faster. They have smarter players, better individual defenders and better chemistry so they are one of the few teams that can pull this off. Our players are constantly loss and confused when they use this system. Its not an easy system to pull off otherwise more teams would use it and its not a system that we need to use.

Miami was bad in 3PT defense for a good amount of the season themselves and weren't playing at a high level defensively. Miami though has some of the most mobile perimeter guys in the league who cover a lot of ground, paired with Shane Battier and a very mobile big in Bosh. Caron and Billups can't do what Lebron and Wade do defensively in terms of covering ground.

Indeed they did and its because:

1)That switching style of defense is very tiring and is hard to sustain for an entire season.

2) They were coasting for most of the first half of the season.

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Do you guys believe me now? DJ trapping and leaves Lopez open for the lob dunk. DJ is a big reason for the defensive woes. He messes up and he makes it look like other players are not doing their job.

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You can't blame DJ for everything that went wrong this game. He was actually our go to big this game. Blake was playing really bad. And I have to agree with Blake that it's stupid to change the defense every game, can u believe Vinny actually lets his defensive coaches coach the defense every different game? I never heard of that before, and I think it's stupid. Our defense has to be one and the same. Adding kinks to it works, but can't have a different thing every game like we do now.

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Well, DJ did hustle in yesterday's win with getting key offensive boards but it was CP3 who gave most of DJ's offense sans DJ's 1 or 2 posts moves. Plus, I wasn't blaming DJ for all that went wrong. I was giving him most of the blame for our recent bad defense. It starts and stops with DJ. He's suppose to be our defensive anchor since he doesn't do much else.

As far as agreeing with Blake on not changing defense, I think you're both wrong. I think it's stupid to think that you can run the same defense for every team in the league. That's why scouting reports are so important in today's game. Good coaches adjust their defense based on the players and style of play of their opponents.

In case you didn't hear last night, aside from the Heat, we're the only other team in both offense and defense in the top 8. That has show for something...Right?

If VDN allows 2 coaches to alternate in scouting and creating defensive schemes, I think that's great. It gives more time for the coaches to build a plan against our next opponent. What's wrong with that? You think it's too much for our guys to have alternating defensive schemes from 2 people? I hope not. I like to think our players are smart enough to deal with that.

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clipper*joe wrote:
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it's stupid to change the defense every game, can u believe Vinny actually lets his defensive coaches coach the defense every different game? I never heard of that before, and I think it's stupid. Our defense has to be one and the same. Adding kinks to it works, but can't have a different thing every game like we do now.

I think it's stupid to think that you can run the same defense for every team in the league. That's why scouting reports are so important in today's game. Good coaches adjust their defense based on the players and style of play of their opponents.

In case you didn't hear last night, aside from the Heat, we're the only other team in both offense and defense in the top 8.

If VDN allows 2 coaches to alternate in scouting and creating defensive schemes, I think that's great. It gives more time for the coaches to build a plan against our next opponent. What's wrong with that? You think it's too much for our guys to have alternating defensive schemes from 2 people? I hope not. I like to think our players are smart enough to deal with that.

Defense has to change game in and game out. you cant guard kobe the same way you guard lebron or durant. Cant guard lopez the same way you guard Marc G. heck you cant guard the grizz the same way you guard the dubs or detroit.

Keep your energy and and intensity and know everyteam is different.

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Cuz posters will keep complaining until a mod changes the title to something tame and censored like bobby o discussion thread

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http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/vie ... e=83183332 did anybody else see this?

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^looks like a flop but by the way cousins kinda moves his leg it could be that we "sorta tripped" and over exaggerated it haha

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i see where bg is coming from, but lets be honest, our bigs at times slack off on the defensive end. for being so athletic, bg doesnt impose his will on the defensive end. same with DJ. the effort is far from consistent. so it goes both ways. thats the way i see it.

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Naw man. That was a terrible flop. A shame too since I haven't seen him flop much if at all this season maybe a small flop here or there but nothing like that. Shocked

I sometimes find Cp3's flops hilarious but they definitely do not help his reputation. lol Just look at his facial expression with that flop. Geez....

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http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/blake-griffin-says-cli ppers-change-defensive-principles-every-224046170--nba.html "I don't think it can get any worse, so let's look on the bright side," Del Negro said after practice Friday. "Let's flip it around. Glass is half full, right?" [...] "Our bigs are getting stretched out a little bit," Del Negro said. "They have to have a little sense of urgency in closing out. Some guys can make that adjustment, and some guys are struggling with that but drilled it again today. That's obviously an area of concern." Clippers forward Blake Griffin disagreed with Del Negro. "It depends on our defensive strategy and our defensive principles for that game," Griffin said. "We....

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oops looks like Clipsfan86 already posted something similar to this.

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If VDN is changing the D system for each team the players are obviously not 100% on what they should be doing. Consequently teams are finding it easy to get a good look for the open 3. Decisions in BBall are instinctive and split second so if there is a little bit of confusion and hesitation it's already too late.

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