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Clippersfan86
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I'm pretty much under the impression that the guy is done. Sure when healthy he contributes and he's a great leader on the team but the guy has had what 6 or 7 injuries already in the 3 months since his initial return, all of which have forced him to miss games?

Before I kept saying wait till Chauncey is healthy but that gives me Deja Vu to the Baron Davis Clipper era. Unlike Baron.. Chauncey isn't way overpaid and does a great job staying in shape but they are similar in the sense that they can't stay healthy for any significant stretch of time and it's annoying.

It's not like the team doesn't give him excessive time to rest either. Remember the foot Tendonitis? They said 3 weeks out and it became 2 months.

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After that injury he got in Detroit he was never able to recover. I think he is done. He should just retire after this season barring some miracle.

Baron Davis was a different story. If he kept himself in shape he would have been able to continue playing but he was a career lazy player which made him injury prone and made him decline faster.

In his case he could have stayed healthy if he wasn't a lazy ass bum.

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I think we should just put Green in the starting lineup. keep continuity, he was our starting sg in our awesome win streak.

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Chauncey Billups just has to make sure he is 100% so the groin doesn't get hurt again. He has worked quite hard to come back, so I doubt that he thinks he is done. He is certainly kind of fragile at this point, so we have to be mindful of his minutes. With Eric Bledsoe back healthy, once Chauncey returns he wouldn't have to play as many minutes.

I was impressed with how well Chauncey moved last night trying to defend Eric Gordon, but ultimately he got injured trying to recover on a move EJ put on early in the second half.

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I like Chauncey, I really do. His leadership is amazing,,but face it he is just a bit too old now (heck, anyone old enough to be my son is too old to play sports) and sort of made of glass. When he is on he is amazing,,but how many games can he really play every year? Last night he forgot he was old and paid for it, again (but hewas so good until he turned the wrong way). I would love to see him get a job on our staff as an asst coach and stick around.

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Chauncey is old, and coming off a devastating injury. I'm for sitting him all we can until we need a couple of big shots in the playoffs. He will be worth every penny if his IQ, reputation with officials and fearlessness to take the game-winner can be utilized for even just the last 2 minutes of a close playoff game.

Baron's injuries on the other hand were ultimately self-inflicted.

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That's unfair to Billups. He is at the end of his career and is a shell of himself. Billups has a ring and led a superstar-less team deep into the playoffs. Baron....yeah.

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The difference is that while important, he's not "The Man"....Baron was supposed to be our leader...option 1A or 1B

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he needs to sit out from now till the end of the regular season

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Dont forget Baron was a top 5 PG when we acquired him, so he was a complete let down. Chauncey was claimed off of waivers and is getting paid peanuts compared to Big Belly Baron.

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What's the point of making threads that have a forced negative point of view?

Chauncey has been trying to play. He's done well when he has. But we can't expect much out of him, he came off a "career ending" injury and also gets paid borderline nothing to be on our squad. Not to mention his presence on the bench and in practice with Bledsoe and our younger players is way more valuable than you think.

I just don't understand what the point of these threads are, whether Chauncey has been a "let down" or not, we're still doing very well and we have the 3rd seed at the moment. Forget the negatives and look at the positives.

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I love Chauncey, but we have to face the truth that his body can not continue to play anymore, it's only his mind.

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i personally think chauncey's leadership off the bench is a bit overhyped. his $3mil could've been used elsewhere.

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Wow, you guys really comparing Chauncey to Baron Davis. There is a reason why Chauncey is the most respected player in the league. Come on guys, lighten up on Chauncey. He's doing his best in recovery his injury and it's a learning curve for him to adjust his body and what's not. I don't think he's done, he just need more time adjust on how his body willing to react and find other creative ways to be effective. Chauncey will be critical come playoff time. We'll see his intellectual in work again just like last year and you know he'll go all out. Chauncey will play a big factor in beating the likes of Spurs and Thunders.

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i remember when he went down with the groin injury he said he wasnt worried about it, that it was minor. when he said this i was shaking my head, knowing that groin strains are NO JOKE. they're chronic and if you dont wait till they're completely healed, it'll be an issue for a long while. sure enough, billups came back too early and paid the price - he re-aggravated it. add in the fact that he's older, and its gonna take that much longer to heal.

in my opinion, he's done for the year.

and there's no chance he's resigned this offseason.

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I've been calling him the highest paid assistant coach all yr

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I don't know about "done for the year", but I'm kind of splitting hairs... I'll take a couple of minutes here and there when we really need a wily vet to get fouled or make an open shot in the playoffs. Any more than that and he'll be hurting himself and the team.

As a shooter, his rust doesn't worry me, but as a player it could be lethal to us (sorry, Grant Hill).

After this year, I'd only ever want to see him in a suit. But he's said that he isn't really interested in coaching, so who knows. I think he could bring a lot as an A/C.

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I love Billups, he's one tough sob to be putting his body through all this. In the end, he should do what makes him happy but you really have to wonder when is he going to call it quits and stop doing this to his body. It's not holing up, that's very clear. Wish him the best in whatever he decides.

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TheCalmInsanity wrote:
What's the point of making threads that have a forced negative point of view?

Clipperstopbuzz is an opinion based website. Clipperfan86 happens to view Chaunceys propensity to injury as a problem, and I agree with that assesment. You see some people view issues about this team and voice them they have the right to. What wold be the point of an opinion based website if all the views were "we're the best" and "i love every decision the clippers front office makes."

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Chauncey has been trying to play. He's done well when he has. But we can't expect much out of him, he came off a "career ending" injury and also gets paid borderline nothing to be on our squad. Not to mention his presence on the bench and in practice with Bledsoe and our younger players is way more valuable than you think.

I do think you make a good point here, but we didnt hire this guy to be a lockerroom guy or mentor: he's our starting shooting guard and hasnt been in the lineup enough to merit $3 million a year, at least in my opinion

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I just don't understand what the point of these threads are, whether Chauncey has been a "let down" or not, we're still doing very well and we have the 3rd seed at the moment. Forget the negatives and look at the positives.
I applaud you for your positive view. But also give 86 the respect he deserves as well. Would you really want threads to all be to the view point you had? I know my view is not really popular (dont like VDN, dont like the meandering in standings this team keeps toying around with), but at the end of the day I'm a clippers fan and I want my team to win it all. Where I and others may differ from your line of thinking is that we believe in change when a problem arises and doesnt get corrected by the player/coach/system. Lets let 86 voice his opinion, you can disagree but dont question why he put this thread on, or trivilize it by saying "whats the point of making threads that have a forced negative point of view."

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The problem is that he may not be in the lineup come playoff time, or he may come in and then get reiinjured. Chauncey will always have a place in Clippers lore, but i think if the front office isnt looking at this situation and planning for a quality replacement at the 2 guard this offseason we may be dangerously close to becoming the Lakers in regards to age and injury.

Injury (and this is closely tied into aging players) is one of the reasons why we have had such a high and low season this year. Teams that have adequate amount of youth suffer it less, and we need to make sure we dont putt all our eggs in one basket (in this case the assumption that Billups will stay healthy).

As an old russian proverb goes "when your boat is caught in a storm pray to god, but row for shore." What that equates to is to have faith, but always be active in helping out your situation, so in this case the front office better be looking at a long list of shooting guards availabel this offseason

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pageC4 wrote:
TheCalmInsanity wrote:
What's the point of making threads that have a forced negative point of view?

Clipperstopbuzz is an opinion based website. Clipperfan86 happens to view Chaunceys propensity to injury as a problem, and I agree with that assesment. You see some people view issues about this team and voice them they have the right to. What wold be the point of an opinion based website if all the views were "we're the best" and "i love every decision the clippers front office makes."

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Chauncey has been trying to play. He's done well when he has. But we can't expect much out of him, he came off a "career ending" injury and also gets paid borderline nothing to be on our squad. Not to mention his presence on the bench and in practice with Bledsoe and our younger players is way more valuable than you think.

I do think you make a good point here, but we didnt hire this guy to be a lockerroom guy or mentor: he's our starting shooting guard and hasnt been in the lineup enough to merit $3 million a year, at least in my opinion

First off, it's not just that his view is negative, it's that he's grasping for straws to find ANYTHING negative. He tends to do this, because in our best season in franchise history he's comparing an older player who isn't paid very much and is coming off a career ending injury to the biggest disappointment in Clippers history.

And honestly, sure Chauncey is our starting 2 guard, but shooting guards in the NBA are not a diminishing quantity like centers. You can find lots of shooting guards in the NBA, heck- Chauncey CP3 and Bledsoe who are point guards can run it. Chauncey wasn't brought here as a marquee SG. He was brought here for leadership and to help mold these young guys so that they can do it on their own in a few years.

Any game that Chauncey has left is a cherry on top, as evidenced by the fact that the Clippers pushed to resign him even after he ruptured his achilles tendon at his age.

And for your last point, the problem isn't Chauncey, and never was. The problem is the perimeter defense, and the team defense in general. Those points are much more threadworthy than a $3 million player being injured. Big deal, we have the NBA's best depth for a reason, injuries happen. Spurs lost Tony Parker for a stretch and were just fine.

I just don't like threads that pull negativity out of nowhere. Even when Chauncey's injured, he can still tell them how to handle late game situations, and since he's experienced he can tell players what he would do in a certain situation. Coaches and fellow players have a totally different connection with the teams' players. Something Billups says can have a completely different effect on a player than if the coach said it.

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I didn't read all the responses, but, as to the OP, I wholly disagree. Often, it is injuries that cause other injuries. For instance, an old injury could become reaggravated, or an injury could weaken or slightly damage surrounding or related tissues when the individual is compensating for the initial injury. When Chauncey first came back, he looked awesome and that was what started our win streak, but since then, he never really looked healthy.

So, it seems that it is possible for Chauncey to play at his former level. He isn't like DRose, whose mind is way more explosive than his body and, as a result, is out slamming roids right now (or should be if he has any semblance of intelligence so that he could toughen up his tendons, ligaments and bones WITH the added muscle mass). I think it is possible for Chaunce to end the domino series of injuries and get back to who he was before the achilles tear, for the most part.

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Lets determine whether this thread is "negative." Chauncey Billups this year has started 20 games. Last year he also started 20 games. This guy has been paid about 3 million per year for averaging 20 games a year with the clippers. out of 82 games 20 games is about 24 percent. Would you feel happy paying a guy a full salary if he was only at your company for 24% of the time? I wouldnt. So How is 86's view negative? He clearly sees a player who for the past two years has been out of the lineup more frequently than anyone aside from Andrew Bynum.

Also, I dont want to diminish anything the clippers have done because this year has been the best in history, but does that absolve some of the problems we have seen like losing to New ORleans, Sacramento, losing the 1st seed then meandering all the way down to fourth place?

If anything the fact that we have had such a horrendous history has let a lot of the problems on this team go unnoticed and unsolved.

AS for his comparison to DAvis he compared their inability to stay healthy. 86 made a big disclaimer there that he only compared the two for the injury bug, not motivation and conditioning which BDavis lacked.

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We both agree that when chauncey was brought in here he was not in his peak. So for us to expect 20 PPG and 7 assists is ludicrous, but we should realistically expect at least a 60 game season from him and 13-14 PPG. Also, your assesment tha he was brought in here to mold young guys is an assumption. If that was the case the front office would have paid him a coaches salary and have him mentoring the young guys from the sideline, not taking a starters role and getting a starters salary.

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Your right chauncey isnt the only problem here the biggest problem is perimeter defense, but does that mean thsat just because there isnt a bigger,glaring problem we shouldnt also strive to address another one? I like chauncey on this team, I just think that he should be paid a coiaches salary and made a coach not being paid a full salary to only play 20 games. Billups isnt getting paid 3 mill to mentor

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pageC4 wrote:
thecalminsanity wrote:
And for your last point, the problem isn't Chauncey, and never was. The problem is the perimeter defense, and the team defense in general. Those points are much more threadworthy than a $3 million player being injured. Big deal, we have the NBA's best depth for a reason, injuries happen. Spurs lost Tony Parker for a stretch and were just fine.

I just don't like threads that pull negativity out of nowhere. Even when Chauncey's injured, he can still tell them how to handle late game situations, and since he's experienced he can tell players what he would do in a certain situation. Coaches and fellow players have a totally different connection with the teams' players. Something Billups says can have a completely different effect on a player than if the coach said it.

Your right chauncey isnt the only problem here the biggest problem is perimeter defense, but does that mean thsat just because there isnt a bigger,glaring problem we shouldnt also strive to address another one? I like chauncey on this team, I just think that he should be paid a coiaches salary and made a coach not being paid a full salary to only play 20 games. Billups isnt getting paid 3 mill to mentor

Coaches can get paid even more than that dude. Coaches salaries aren't that inexpensive... Also, it's worth a shot to see if he can play, whether he does or not due to injuries. But you're saying we're paying him starter salary?

How many starters in the NBA get paid 3m? There are definitely other starters around that range but it's not the most common pay range for a starter. Keep in mind Veteran's minimum is only about 1 mil less than what he's getting paid... So we have a guy who has valuable experience, and is starting for our ballclub for only 1 mil above peanuts.

Either way, it's not something we should worry about. Injuries are part of the game, there's a reason why we have 15 roster spots and around 70 million to spend on players. 3 million out of 70 is not that big of a deal to be bringing up for no reason, especially not to compare to a player who came here as a "franchise player", got paid 15 mil per year, and was "injured". Chauncey had a legit achilles tendon rupture, while most of Baron's injuries were "back pains" and "cramps" and stuff like that. There is no comparison, whether it be impact, or salary, or hype, or any of that.

Plus, unlike back then, we have the depth to cover it now. So it's not a big deal at all... I just don't want Clipper fans to become princesses hoping that every single thing in the season has to go perfect and blah blah. Take what you get, it's a lot more than what you've gotten in the last 30 years... Just my take on it.

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Actually, Chauncey's salary last year was around $14,000,000 of which we only paid $2,000,000... and even most of that was probably covered by insurance once he got injured. So technically, we paid him less than 15% of a "full salary" for 24% availability.

This year, I seriously doubt the F.O. were expecting 82 games from him. Nobody could possibly know how he was going to come back from injury, so I believe he WAS paid mostly for his experience, leadership, to put Chris Paul at ease and maybe to hit the odd big shot when it matters.

Baron was paid 4 times as much to be a franchise player and he couldn't even stay in shape or motivated. Comparing the two is laughable.

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Actually we gave Chauncey a 4 mill a year deal, not 3. We made the right decision to bring him back. More important than that is the team needs to let him go next year. I have done some real thinking on this and I'll tell you why.

  1. Chauncey thinks he's way better than he actually is at this point. He always talks about himself in a very big way which tells me no way in hell would he ever accept a role player/bench role right now even at his age.

  2. No point in taking up 4 mill in cap that can be used on a defensive minded SG like a Tony Allen through MLE.

  3. Chauncey hinders the team in one way due to CP3's mentality. CP3 is submissive to Billups in a very very weird way and defers to him way too much when they play together. It makes it to where he's so concerned about Billups that he's not carrying the load he should be carrying. He still talks about Billups as if he's a finals MVP right now.

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I think Chauncey might be done as a player, his body is shutting down.

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Chauncey does remind me a lot of old NFL players that really get hurt and are great when they play but mostly they don't,,but they just can't quit. The keep going until they get to the point they embarrass themselves and have to quit.

I have always thought that even though many many athletes are in it for the money,,there are those that just love playing a game so much that they just can't let it go. You've heard guys say "I would do this for free" but you know they are full of crap,,but these older athletes I am talking abut really mean it. I think Chauncey is one of those. He just has to play and can't help himself.

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