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FreaKeyy
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Enough with the ref bullshit. They were absolutely not the reason the clippers lost this game. I'm sick of hearing that cheap cheap excuse. The clippers should have played the way they did in the 4th ALL game and they wouldn't have had to worry about making a hail mary shot.
right. I think they were already being nice, they didn't call a technical on Matt after what he did.

Yeah Matt deserved that one but he clearly had an argument. He got smacked on the whole arm! If they got it correct, no argument by Matt.

most definitely. Matt was right and that was supposed to be a crucial call, but refs swallow their whistles when a game is that close. They don't wanna get blamed. Now if they can review their call then there wouldn't be that much pressure on the refs cos they won't be scared to make mistakes since they can review it if someone argues.

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Not enough, apparently, since we still have 4-5 Vinny lovers here.

But yeah, way to not give me a straight answer.

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again, not saying anything about the team playing well but getting screwed over. heck, im not even talking about officiating in the first 46 minutes of the game! it's literally the last second calls.

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At least he attacked inside more. 8 for 13 is good, but he's hardly getting any calls- only 1 FTA. I mean there was a time when he was waaay up there in FTA ranking in the NBA. I don't know what it is nowadays, but I'm sure it's nowhere near what he had before. He seriously needs to stop complaining to the refs and instead talk to them calmly before the game or at the half.

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He's been like that for a while.

Getting screwed by the refs has always made me sympathetic to him.

Whining whether he gets screwed or not is making that sympathy evaporate.

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You think maybe the starters were trying to play horribly on purpose to spite Vinny calling them out in the media?

This team should be ashamed of themselves. I hope they find a way to trade DJ because this team needs to grow up. And I'm mainly referring to Blake.

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Anybody notice Blake's attitude lately? He was a complete di**head today.

At least he attacked inside more. 8 for 13 is good, but he's hardly getting any calls- only 1 FTA. I mean there was a time when he was waaay up there in FTA ranking in the NBA. I don't know what it is nowadays, but I'm sure it's nowhere near what he had before. He seriously needs to stop complaining to the refs and instead talk to them calmly before the game or at the half.

No I mean his attitude towards coaches, teammates and his effort. He looks like all he wants to do is bitch all game and play soft lately.

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You do it enough for all of us wink

Not enough, apparently, since we still have 4-5 Vinny lovers here.

But yeah, way to not give me a straight answer.

Straight answer:

Do I think he's perfect? By NO means.

Do I think he's blamed for every single flaw the team has? Absolutely.

Like I've said before, I don't think there's a "Vinny-lover" anywhere to be found on this board... but there are plenty of Vinny-haters.

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Anybody notice Blake's attitude lately? He was a complete di**head today.

At least he attacked inside more. 8 for 13 is good, but he's hardly getting any calls- only 1 FTA. I mean there was a time when he was waaay up there in FTA ranking in the NBA. I don't know what it is nowadays, but I'm sure it's nowhere near what he had before. He seriously needs to stop complaining to the refs and instead talk to them calmly before the game or at the half.

Yeah he was up there in the past. I agree, refs don't give him as many calls anymore even when he does attack.

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See I see both sides.

  1. Vinny is a bad coach for this team and should be replaced.

  2. At the same time more than half our losses this year are on half ass effort from our players.

CP3+Blake are to blame for example for the 3 straight losses we have had now. In all 3 games neither had an impact really and both look like trash.

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hell no. Well i hope not cos this is not the the time to be making dramas and throwing away games. Everyone says Chris wants to win more than anyone else, so I seriously doubt he'll lose on purpose.

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Just watched the last play and it looks like CP was open too next to Blake by the Clipper bench. Odom had a good look but shooting a 30 footer was asking for too much.

I think the team will end up playing Memphis again. Whether or not we have home court doesn't really matter if they don't start playing well.

If you remember last season, they limped into the playoffs too. Struggled most of Game 1 before pulling out a miracle.

Team just needs to get healthy and play better. A few more wins and we are guaranteed no lower than the 4 seed.

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On a positive note, odom came to play. I loved his energy and hustle. Hopefully he turns it around.

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...which, if we'd lost half as many games as we have, would give us the best record in the league.

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i dont mind facing memphis. I just dont wanna face Spurs and OKC

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I don't ahve any confidence in this team in crunchtime situations anymore, which is going to destroy us in the playoffs. I knew we were not going to win this game even when we were close. those two offensive fouls by our all stars were totally expected. they should have been benched for the entirety of the game just to prove a point. how did vinny think having them out there was going to give us a chance to win? They cost us leads all game and the bench needed to finish it. we may have just won...

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Clipperstown I've complained about refs plenty but when you do stupid **** like get down 24 in the 3rd quarter tonight or double digits most the game to Houston... no reason to blame refs. Sure we should have won Dallas and SA game if not for refs but both games we had a 9+ point lead at some point and gave up huge runs, only to fight back at the last second.

again, not saying anything about the team playing well but getting screwed over. heck, im not even talking about officiating in the first 46 minutes of the game! it's literally the last second calls.

Agree. We obviously aren't playing well but asking for the refs to get end of game calls correct can't be asking for much. Just get the right call.

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Yeah I think we need to teach Hollins how to be aggressive without fouling so much. He plays hard and has so much more energy and focus than DJ has ever had. His play was huge tonight.

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meant to say they cost us the opportunity to take the lead all game and actually dug us into hole after hole after hole. popovich would have benched them in favor of people who gave them the best chance to win. vinny is gutless.

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Yup. Last year we were the most clutch team in the NBA and led the NBA in comebacks. This year? We can't play in the clutch for ****. We literally lose pretty much every single clutch situation.

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If the refs blew the same end of game calls made against us and it was the Nba finals there would be complaints everywhere by fans, media, etc. Getting calls correct at the end of games regardless of who's playing is important.

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100% agree. Hollins played very well. Props to him.

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I thought I saw Blake standing up and cheering his teammates. I saw him raise up his arms after one play where he thought he was fouled, but that was it. But I guess he did some other stuff I didn't see.

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last year's team were gritty and tough. This year's team seems so complacent. CP3's shot is as off as Deron Williams' and he needs to find it fast. I don't remember him being unable to shoot 3s.

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cleepers wrote:
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You do it enough for all of us wink

Not enough, apparently, since we still have 4-5 Vinny lovers here.

But yeah, way to not give me a straight answer.

Straight answer:

Do I think he's perfect? By NO means.

Do I think he's blamed for every single flaw the team has? Absolutely.

Like I've said before, I don't think there's a "Vinny-lover" anywhere to be found on this board... but there are plenty of Vinny-haters.

Fail. I asked you, "When do you ever fault him?" And you come up with answering your own fking questions. A straight answer to my question would've been "Rarely, never, often," etc. I didn't ask you if you think he's perfect (you're just using that to sugarcoat your never-ending defense of Vinny). I'm pretty sure the Vinny haters blame things other than Vinny.

Also, you can't just call his critics haters while you conveniently refuse to be called a lover when you evidently has had a one-sided opinion on Vinny. You NEVER give him any criticisms. If you want to call the critics haters, then be prepared to be called a lover. Call a spade a spade.

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Hollins odom, Barnes, Crawford and Bledsoe deserve medals for the amazing effort and near comeback.

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Agree. His 3pt % is down. He needs to work on more consistent 3 pt shooting to at least get it back to where it was in the past,

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They should have been allowed to finish the game. CP3 and BG had zero business being out there after the way they stunk it up for 3+ quarters. I know Blake is injured but, if that is the case, he needs to rest. He is doing us no favors by being out there and afraid to attack the rim.

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No I mean his attitude towards coaches, teammates and his effort. He looks like all he wants to do is bitch all game and play soft lately.

I thought I saw Blake standing up and cheering his teammates. I saw him raise up his arms after one play where he thought he was fouled, but that was it. But I guess he did some other stuff I didn't see.

Odom told him let's get a stop during one of his "mic'd" scenes and Blake totally ignored him. Then a few times Blake got fouled and didn't get a call he hung his head and gave ZERO effort on the defensive end to give up easy buckets. Just a shitty attitude. If I was Vinny I'd shred him for a good 30 minutes after the game for his effort tonight.

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I really hope odom is back and this wasn't a fluke performance.

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Blake has not been himself lately, I agree his attitude sucks. I miss the old Blake...

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I wonder if its his leg. Still not a good excuse for this attitude.

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Yep- I just don't know what what will it take for a foul-review to happen. And I'm only talking about the last 1 minute ones- it'd be crazy to foul-review the entire game. Why not review fouls in the final minute of a close game- let's say like 6 points or less? Or even just the final 30 seconds, 4 point game or something.

I think the NBA might be concerned what happens if a foul is called, but upon replay it was not a foul. What do you do? Depends on where the ball ends up- if it was a clean block, and the ball went out of bounds off of the shot-blocker's hand, then the shooter's team still gets the ball. But in other situations you probably have to go with a jump ball. But with these non-calls, it's simple- if it turned out to be a foul, then you erase everything that happens after the foul, and you replay from the point when the foul occurred.

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I thought vinny went with the zone a little too long. They weren't able to get some rebounds and allowed 2 3 pointers in a row.

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If the refs blew the same end of game calls made against us and it was the Nba finals there would be complaints everywhere by fans, media, etc. Getting calls correct at the end of games regardless of who's playing is important.

Yep- I just don't know what what will it take for a foul-review to happen. And I'm only talking about the last 1 minute ones- it'd be crazy to foul-review the entire game. Why not review fouls in the final minute of a close game- let's say like 6 points or less? Or even just the final 30 seconds, 4 point game or something.

I think the NBA might be concerned what happens if a foul is called, but upon replay it was not a foul. What do you do? Depends on where the ball ends up- if it was a clean block, and the ball went out of bounds off of the shot-blocker's hand, then the shooter's team still gets the ball. But in other situations you probably have to go with a jump ball. But with these non-calls, it's simple- if it turned out to be a foul, then you erase everything that happens after the foul, and you replay from the point when the foul occurred.

Didn't they replay a quarter a few years ago? I think one of the teams was the Heat.

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^100% agree David. Getting end of game calls correct isn't asking for much.

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I blame team USA, look at all the players from that team who are injured or not playing good. CP3, Harden, Kobe, Carmelo, Tyson, And Love even though his injury has nothing to do with this. CP3 looks gassed

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Even if the lakers lost cause of a missed end of game call I wouldnt argue with their complaints. Regardless who's playing getting the calls correct and being fair is most important

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This was the replayed game:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/box ... 90ATL.html

Originally played on December 19, 2007. The final minute of overtime was replayed on March 8th, 2008.

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david wrote:
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If the refs blew the same end of game calls made against us and it was the Nba finals there would be complaints everywhere by fans, media, etc. Getting calls correct at the end of games regardless of who's playing is important.

Yep- I just don't know what what will it take for a foul-review to happen. And I'm only talking about the last 1 minute ones- it'd be crazy to foul-review the entire game. Why not review fouls in the final minute of a close game- let's say like 6 points or less? Or even just the final 30 seconds, 4 point game or something.

I think the NBA might be concerned what happens if a foul is called, but upon replay it was not a foul. What do you do? Depends on where the ball ends up- if it was a clean block, and the ball went out of bounds off of the shot-blocker's hand, then the shooter's team still gets the ball. But in other situations you probably have to go with a jump ball. But with these non-calls, it's simple- if it turned out to be a foul, then you erase everything that happens after the foul, and you replay from the point when the foul occurred.

and that will give the refs the confidence to blow their whistles since they won't have to worry about getting blamed because they can always review it if the other team disagrees.

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Wow- that's crazy- how the heck did that happen? But yeah I sincerely hope something gets done because it's getting ridiculous. I'm not blaming the refs- they're human, but it sucks to have them decide who wins these huge games for these last second plays.

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The one bright spot of the game oh and Crawford of course.

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Didn't they replay a quarter a few years ago? I think one of the teams was the Heat.

Wow- that's crazy- how the heck did that happen? But yeah I sincerely hope something gets done because it's getting ridiculous. I'm not blaming the refs- they're human, but it sucks to have them decide who wins these huge games for these last second plays.

100% agree David.

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Harden and Chandler are having career years. Kobe is still Kobe even at 34 and Melo has always been prone to injuries but he's still second in the league in scoring (I think). So I don't see the connection. CP is just really having an off year.

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Exactly- call what you see, and you can review in case there is doubt. In tennis I believe it took I think Serena Williams getting screwed by horrible line in the US Open finals 10 years ago for them to finally have instant replay for line calls. I just wonder in the NBA- what will it take?

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On a positive note, odom came to play. I loved his energy and hustle. Hopefully he turns it around.

The one bright spot of the game oh and Crawford of course.

Well odom hardly plays well so hopefully this wasn't a fluke. Hollins played well also.

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and that will give the refs the confidence to blow their whistles since they won't have to worry about getting blamed because they can always review it if the other team disagrees.

Exactly- call what you see, and you can review in case there is doubt. In tennis I believe it took I think Serena Williams getting screwed by horrible line in the US Open finals 10 years ago for them to finally have instant replay for line calls. I just wonder in the NBA- what will it take?

Exactly! Yeah I remember that. Felt bad for Serena.

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Grillinnap wrote:
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If the refs blew the same end of game calls made against us and it was the Nba finals there would be complaints everywhere by fans, media, etc. Getting calls correct at the end of games regardless of who's playing is important.

Yep- I just don't know what what will it take for a foul-review to happen. And I'm only talking about the last 1 minute ones- it'd be crazy to foul-review the entire game. Why not review fouls in the final minute of a close game- let's say like 6 points or less? Or even just the final 30 seconds, 4 point game or something.

I think the NBA might be concerned what happens if a foul is called, but upon replay it was not a foul. What do you do? Depends on where the ball ends up- if it was a clean block, and the ball went out of bounds off of the shot-blocker's hand, then the shooter's team still gets the ball. But in other situations you probably have to go with a jump ball. But with these non-calls, it's simple- if it turned out to be a foul, then you erase everything that happens after the foul, and you replay from the point when the foul occurred.

Didn't they replay a quarter a few years ago? I think one of the teams was the Heat.

Ye I think it was heat/hawks, and cause shaq was issued a 6th foul when there wasnt a foul

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I think all teams and fans would be for what you said David. The replays of getting calls correct just for end of games would make all fans, coaches, players happy. No one can argue if the call is correct.

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david wrote:
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Didn't they replay a quarter a few years ago? I think one of the teams was the Heat.

Wow- that's crazy- how the heck did that happen? But yeah I sincerely hope something gets done because it's getting ridiculous. I'm not blaming the refs- they're human, but it sucks to have them decide who wins these huge games for these last second plays.

I know. But a replay would be out of the question since we no longer play the Pacers in the regular season. The Heat still had at least one more game against the Hawks at that time.

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