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So true- and that will help dispel these theories of conspiracies, biases, etc. Or the NBA can just come out and stay actually, everything is pre-staged, like wrestling, lol.

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If a foul was called on the Barnes shot and Indiana protested and saw the replay, they wouldn't argue cause it was too obvious.

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Regardless who's playing getting the calls correct and being fair is most important

So true- and that will help dispel these theories of conspiracies, biases, etc. Or the NBA can just come out and stay actually, everything is pre-staged, like wrestling, lol.

Exactly!!!

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How about in the last 2 minutes of a game each coach gets the option to force a review on any 2 basketball plays and the option to reverse it no matter what kind of call.

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Didn't they replay a quarter a few years ago? I think one of the teams was the Heat.

Wow- that's crazy- how the heck did that happen? But yeah I sincerely hope something gets done because it's getting ridiculous. I'm not blaming the refs- they're human, but it sucks to have them decide who wins these huge games for these last second plays.

I know. But a replay would be out of the question since we no longer play the Pacers in the regular season. The Heat still had at least one more game against the Hawks at that time.

Yeah I'm just hoping for a new rule to be added to review foul calls (and non-calls) down the stretch of close games. And then you replay right away from the point of the mistake (if it was a mistaken call/non-call).

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wow but will the nba strip wins and give it to the real winner if they admit that the refs screwed up? Or are they just gonna admit that it was a wrong call now go ahead and move on.

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On a positive note, odom came to play. I loved his energy and hustle. Hopefully he turns it around.

The one bright spot of the game oh and Crawford of course.

Well odom hardly plays well so hopefully this wasn't a fluke. Hollins played well also.

The whole damn ATCB brought us back minus Hill. Neutral

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Agree and if they are correct they don't lose their reviews. If they are wrong, they lose their reviews. I like that idea.

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If you can be bothered to go through the "fire Vinny" thread, you'll find at least one post where I've said something along the lines of "I'm not going to bat for him on this one".

Have you ever considered that the reason I don't jump on his every move - like if I'd prefer to see a substitution a minute earlier or later - is because I'd just rather not add to the cacophony of bullshit that criticism of him has become?

It's as if nobody in uniform ever had anything less than a perfect game.

Will I be screaming bloody murder if Stan Van takes over next year? Actually, no. I'm just reticent when considering what an actual upgrade is. So call me a "lover" if you want... I prefer the term pragmatist.

Tonight was a perfect example of our flaws irregardless of coaching. Personally, I'd like to have seen Vinny leave CP3 and Blake on the bench to close the game... that's something that somebody with the status of Popovich could have gotten away with. So, I'll criticize him for that, but with the caveat that if he had and we'd still lost the game, every single headline would have referred to our $40,000,000 sitting in crunch time.

Vinny doesn't have a championship or 10 years going to the playoffs under his belt, so his every move is under scrutiny... Doc Rivers had the same problem. If being prepared to give somebody the benefit of the doubt makes me a "lover", then fine.

Is there a wiki-dictionary where I can redefine the word lover to mean "someone prepared to give someone else a chance"?

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We rarely hear complaints on NCAA officiating. But in the NBA, it's everyday. Are college refs better than NBA refs?

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david wrote:
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Regardless who's playing getting the calls correct and being fair is most important

So true- and that will help dispel these theories of conspiracies, biases, etc. Or the NBA can just come out and stay actually, everything is pre-staged, like wrestling, lol.

I honestly believe some of the conspiracies, I mean who wants to see the houston and the chicago(without Rose) go at it in the finals? I'm sure some would especially their fans but won't most people wanna see OKC, Clippers, or heat? Its all about MONEY. "Money is the root of all evil."

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^ I thought Vinny was the root of all evil.

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I watch alot of college games. They miss lots of calls also but I feel they aren't as bad.

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Not only our games but I feel the nba refs miss alot of end of game calls. Most recently the laker games against Minnesota and Sacramento the refs blew late calls. And it's not about bailing people out. It's just getting the correct call.

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It's a religion on here... happy holy week!

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This, the Houston loss, and the Dallas loss ruined my frickin life.

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I never post and for the most part. i just follow for entertainment and breaking news... But Recent events have driven me to post. I am one more game away from quitting basketball, the clippers, vinny del negro, and blake kia griffin. I have watched us draft candy, trade darius, lose livingston, watch elton walk, sigh fat baron, and this might be the most frustrated i have ever been. Not with just the clippers. But basketball in general. The teams that get calls and win, are the teams that the NBA wants to get calls and win. Its so damn obvious that it makes me want to puke. And would it kill Vinny to get a T and stand up for his team??!! And would it kill Blake to lay down a hard foul to put some people in their place??!! I sit and watch POP scream at the refs within the first 5 min of the game and get a T. I sit and watch players TACKLE Blake as if he is Antonio gates. WE ARE A BUNCH OF PUSSYS AND VINNY HAS NO BALLS. **** THE REFS AND GOODNIGHT. IM GLAD I COULD GET DRUNK ENOUGH TO POST.

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Fail. I asked you, "When do you ever fault him?" And you come up with answering your own fking questions. A straight answer to my question would've been "Rarely, never, often," etc. I didn't ask you if you think he's perfect (you're just using that to sugarcoat your never-ending defense of Vinny). I'm pretty sure the Vinny haters blame things other than Vinny.

Also, you can't just call his critics haters while you conveniently refuse to be called a lover when you evidently has had a one-sided opinion on Vinny. You NEVER give him any criticisms. If you want to call the critics haters, then be prepared to be called a lover. Call a spade a spade.

If you can be bothered to go through the "fire Vinny" thread, you'll find at least one post where I've said something along the lines of "I'm not going to bat for him on this one".

Have you ever considered that the reason I don't jump on his every move - like if I'd prefer to see a substitution a minute earlier or later - is because I'd just rather not add to the cacophony of bullshit that criticism of him has become?

It's as if nobody in uniform ever had anything less than a perfect game.

Will I be screaming bloody murder if Stan Van takes over next year? Actually, no. I'm just reticent when considering what an actual upgrade is. So call me a "lover" if you want... I prefer the term pragmatist.

Tonight was a perfect example of our flaws irregardless of coaching. Personally, I'd like to have seen Vinny leave CP3 and Blake on the bench to close the game... that's something that somebody with the status of Popovich could have gotten away with. So, I'll criticize him for that, but with the caveat that if he had and we'd still lost the game, every single headline would have referred to our $40,000,000 sitting in crunch time.

Vinny doesn't have a championship or 10 years going to the playoffs under his belt, so his every move is under scrutiny... Doc Rivers had the same problem. If being prepared to give somebody the benefit of the doubt makes me a "lover", then fine.

Is there a wiki-dictionary where I can redefine the word lover to mean "someone prepared to give someone else a chance"?

id be upset if we end up getting the wrong van gundy. id definitely rather have jeff instead of stan. but going back to vdn, once again, he can implore the guys to play with energy from the start of the game, but if they dont, then what else can he do. i actually liked him keeping the starters out. excellent play. cp3, aside from the ft's he made played like s***. Bg was not excellent either. our bench carried us. vdn showed that he will do what needs to be done to try to win. and to vouch for cleepers, he has said in the past that he wont back vdn up when he f***s up, and he has criticized him accordingly, and so have i. unlike most of the constant vdn bashers, who cant seem to give any credit to the guy, we give credit when its due and criticize accordingly.

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Fail. I asked you, "When do you ever fault him?" And you come up with answering your own fking questions. A straight answer to my question would've been "Rarely, never, often," etc. I didn't ask you if you think he's perfect (you're just using that to sugarcoat your never-ending defense of Vinny). I'm pretty sure the Vinny haters blame things other than Vinny.

Also, you can't just call his critics haters while you conveniently refuse to be called a lover when you evidently has had a one-sided opinion on Vinny. You NEVER give him any criticisms. If you want to call the critics haters, then be prepared to be called a lover. Call a spade a spade.

If you can be bothered to go through the "fire Vinny" thread, you'll find at least one post where I've said something along the lines of "I'm not going to bat for him on this one".

Have you ever considered that the reason I don't jump on his every move - like if I'd prefer to see a substitution a minute earlier or later - is because I'd just rather not add to the cacophony of bullshit that criticism of him has become?

It's as if nobody in uniform ever had anything less than a perfect game.

Will I be screaming bloody murder if Stan Van takes over next year? Actually, no. I'm just reticent when considering what an actual upgrade is. So call me a "lover" if you want... I prefer the term pragmatist.

Tonight was a perfect example of our flaws irregardless of coaching. Personally, I'd like to have seen Vinny leave CP3 and Blake on the bench to close the game... that's something that somebody with the status of Popovich could have gotten away with. So, I'll criticize him for that, but with the caveat that if he had and we'd still lost the game, every single headline would have referred to our $40,000,000 sitting in crunch time.

Vinny doesn't have a championship or 10 years going to the playoffs under his belt, so his every move is under scrutiny... Doc Rivers had the same problem. If being prepared to give somebody the benefit of the doubt makes me a "lover", then fine.

Is there a wiki-dictionary where I can redefine the word lover to mean "someone prepared to give someone else a chance"?

No, I can't be bothered finding a needle in a haystack.

I pick the right time to complain about Vinny. I don't bitch about him when the score is close in the first half like 82-0 always did. But when we're getting blown out of our own building early, hell yes, I would criticize him.

Using Popovich as a comparison again? Pop has earned it. He's got the credentials. Sorry, but that's the way it is. Vinny never intimidates refs anyway.

Doc Rivers won a championship right after a 23-win season. He had to earn it and he did. He showed that he could take them to the next level once he got the talent he needed. Vinny got the talent he needed this year and we're limping into the playoffs.

Like I said, if you don't want to be called a lover, then stop calling his critics haters. At the end of the day, his critics are still rooting for him (unwillingly) and the team. How many more chances will you give him? Does a first round exit still give you enough patience? Because we're certainly looking like we're headed that way. A series against Memphis is 50/50. We went from being favorites against the 6th and 7th seeds to being the underdog again with no home court advantage against either Memphis or Denver. So barring a deep playoff run, how many more chances are you willing to give a guy who's led us to back-to-back seasons in which we lost a preferred seeding late in the season? Of course, the season is still not over, but with the way we started the season, it should've never come to this regardless of how hot Denver and Memphis have been. It should be THEM chasing us, not us chasing them.

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I remember that- that was simply awful. I mean you wave off your coach's timeout call, then miss the layup and then the other team dumps another open 3 on your team because everyone is out of position.... Okay CP- is it okay to call timeout now?

Obviously CP3 didn't mean to have the result turn out so badly- he tried to sneak in a quick 2, but ignoring your coache's timeout call- I don't know....

But no way Vinny benches CP though, and you know why.

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Yeah this has been one of the most frustrated I've ever been. So many dam things going wrong with our team, coaching, refs, etc. fml.

The only things that can make it better is if we somehow finish this season 6-1 or 7-0 but more importantly advance to at least the 2nd round. I'm so worried that this wont happen.

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Btw Vinny should bench CP3 for that bullshit. He screamed for a much needed timeout and CP3 waived him off and bricked another.

I remember that- that was simply awful. I mean you wave off your coach's timeout call, then miss the layup and then the other team dumps another open 3 on your team because everyone is out of position.... Okay CP- is it okay to call timeout now?

Obviously CP3 didn't mean to have the result turn out so badly- he tried to sneak in a quick 2, but ignoring your coache's timeout call- I don't know....

But no way Vinny benches CP though, and you know why.

unfortunately, the only two coaches who im sure would definitely bench cp3 for that s*** are popovitch and phil jackson. no one else would. without a doubt.

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Plagarism is the most sincere form of flattery but I want royalites for my idea.

A few posts back I mentioned a tape review but a coach should have 2 every quarter. That's four stops. Not excessive like a full time out. We forget that a Non-foul in the first quarter when added to five real ones means a foul out. Also let's say you get two real ones and a fake in the first quarter, you warm the pine for maybe the half. CP3 sits out the whole second quarter? We lose.

Also the refs won't have to worry about being accused of "Throwing a game" They should be able to review anything they choose.

Bad calls did lose us SAS and Mavs. Our starters and coach lost this one.

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I will be pleasantly surprised if we make it past the first round. just two months ago ir eally thought we had a shot to have a deep run, but we just are plummeting while other teams are coming together and playing the way they will play int he post-season. it's such a bummer

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Honestly... given the choice I'd take Jeff too.

I'd rather we don't get either. If I were Vinny, I'd sit the guys down and calmly lay out their options...

"Hey guys... either we get to the WCF and make a noise, or I'm outta here and I wish you fellas luck with whoever Mr. Sterling gets on the cheap".

That would scare the piss out of me!

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True our starters lost us this one and and the Houston game.

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Agree that's why I'll be happy if we just make the 2nd round now. Hardly anyone on this board expects us to win the first round.

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http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... rs-losses/

NBA admitted the refs were wrong about the game that cost Indiana. By no means am I saying that the Pacers are the darlings of the NBA, but will they admit that the refs were wrong for not giving the Clippers a chance to AT LEAST tie the game with a free throw?

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Brother, the Clippers winning is way better. Nothing can make me feel better then us winning games we're supposed to win. The spurs loss I was disappointed but it was against the no. 1 west team.

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Yeah not saying we would have won the game, but refs need to be held accountable. That's their profession.

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I've already said... less success than last year means he's gone, and I agree with that.

Should I be screaming for his head before we've played a playoff game?

I will judge him on his results... it seems like you've already played the playoffs in your mind and you can't wait for his execution.

Fire him now... or shut the f*ck up and see what happens?

Those seem like the only options for a sane person.

But I guess there's a third option of "rooting for him unwillingly".

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After looking at the team stats, the main difference was that Indiana made 10 3's vs our 5 3's. All the other categories were close. We out rebounded one of the better rebounding teams in the league.

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Lol- hey if that pep talk will motivate the guys I'm all for it. CP3 will probably be the most concerned- I'm not sure if another coach will let him be the coach, or at least have so much freedom and say.

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We shouldn't even be thinking about the playoffs. Should just think about getting better one game at a time.

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Like I said, if you don't want to be called a lover, then stop calling his critics haters. At the end of the day, his critics are still rooting for him (unwillingly) and the team. How many more chances will you give him? Does a first round exit still give you enough patience? Because we're certainly looking like we're headed that way. A series against Memphis is 50/50. We went from being favorites against the 6th and 7th seeds to being the underdog again with no home court advantage against either Memphis or Denver. So barring a deep playoff run, how many more chances are you willing to give a guy who's led us to back-to-back seasons in which we lost a preferred seeding late in the season? Of course, the season is still not over, but with the way we started the season, it should've never come to this regardless of how hot Denver and Memphis have been. It should be THEM chasing us, not us chasing them.

I've already said... less success than last year means he's gone, and I agree with that.

Should I be screaming for his head before we've played a playoff game?

I will judge him on his results... it seems like you've already played the playoffs in your mind and you can't wait for his execution.

Fire him now... or shut the f*ck up and see what happens?

Those seem like the only options for a sane person.

But I guess there's a third option of "rooting for him unwillingly".

I already said that I can forgive him if we have a deep playoff run despite our mediocre play since the ASG (meaning at least the conference finals). A first round exit plus the meltdown down the stretch in the regular season? Dude's gotta go this summer. That's all I'm saying...the scenarios. Is that hard to understand? No **** you'll wait to see the results. I simply asked you if that was our fate, will you (unwillingly) say that he should go? Why are you having a hard time giving me straight answers? There is always a road block before you do so.

The fact that Cp's future with us is still up in the air has a lot to do with our impatience with Vinny. We just don't have the luxury to keep fking around with mediocre basketball.

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Grillinnap wrote:

(1.)I already said that I can forgive him if we have a deep playoff run despite our mediocre play since the ASG (meaning at least the conference finals). A first round exit plus the meltdown down the stretch in the regular season? Dude's gotta go this summer. That's all I'm saying...the scenarios. Is that hard to understand? No **** you'll wait to see the results. (2.) I simply asked you if that was our fate, will you (unwillingly) say that he should go? Why are you having a hard time giving me straight answers? There is always a road block before you do so.

  1. So... guilty until proven innocent.

  2. Did I not make myself clear?

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I've already said... less success than last year means he's gone, and I agree with that.

  1. A question: Which would make you happier... the Clippers going on an unprecedented run... or being proven "right" if they get spanked in the first round?

Just curious.

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It just looks as though CP has mailed it in and BG is just along for the ride. Neither 1 of them looks as though they want be the man. Normally you wouldn't say this but 1 of them has to become selfish, i was hoping they would be able to take turn this year destroying teams they just look to pass and set up everyone and teams are defending it. CP has to come off the pick in attack mode and BG has to take that free throw shot or drive the lane hard no thinking just do it. VDN can help CP alot, when he see's CP slowing the ball down yank his ass out and put EB in to push it. CP starting to over think crap someone need to put him in his place and let him know he is not a coach yet.

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d be upset if we end up getting the wrong van gundy. id definitely rather have jeff instead of stan. but going back to vdn, once again, he can implore the guys to play with energy from the start of the game, but if they dont, then what else can he do. i actually liked him keeping the starters out. excellent play. cp3, aside from the ft's he made played like s***. Bg was not excellent either. our bench carried us. vdn showed that he will do what needs to be done to try to win. and to vouch for cleepers, he has said in the past that he wont back vdn up when he f***s up, and he has criticized him accordingly, and so have i. unlike most of the constant vdn bashers, who cant seem to give any credit to the guy, we give credit when its due and criticize accordingly.

Honestly... given the choice I'd take Jeff too.

I'd rather we don't get either. If I were Vinny, I'd sit the guys down and calmly lay out their options...

"Hey guys... either we get to the WCF and make a noise, or I'm outta here and I wish you fellas luck with whoever Mr. Sterling gets on the cheap".

That would scare the piss out of me!

next thing you know the clippers hire ben howland. hahahaha. that would scare the s*** out of me if i was a clipper player. lol

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1) Yes, that's the way it is. We're talking about a guy who has one playoff series win in his five years of coaching. So he deserves no benefit of the doubt until he proves otherwise.

2) Oh, geez. How did I only give one example? My bad! You said less success than last year? Okay, I agree. What about the same success? Meaning another second round exit? That's gotta be a let down after that unbelievable December, amirite? I've already lowered my expectations that I'll be happy with a 2nd round appearance because of how mediocre we've been lately but that sure as hell doesn't mean I'm extending Vinny's leash.

3) Uh yeah, of course I prefer going for the deep playoff run because that gives us more security that CP will stay, not because Vinny will most likely keep his job.

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Suns at home on Wednesday then lakers (home game for us) on Sunday on ABC. We need to win both games badly!

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SIQUE PLAYER of the game four way tie

1 MATT --When he flagrantized that player the guys next to me said how awful it was. I told them he just lit a fire under our tushies. Matt I'd love to be the mother of your children but I don't have a uterus. If I did have one I wouldn't have to worry because the starters have no balls

2 The Bench Mob I'M PROUD OF YOU. EB, JC, MB, LAMAR!!!, RYAN!!!

3 ME for being Clip Nation enough to sit through the first half and not barf in my popcorn. I'm glad I ordered a double.

4 The mother** f**cing crowd. Have you seen a singer shatter a glass with her voice? It was so loud that I was worried that the roof would disintegrate.

SICK PLAYER of the game A three way tie

VDN, THE STARTERS and ME I was so sick that I wanted to blow chunks but I remembered that St Paul said that a little wine is good for the stomach's sake. A lot was good for helping me forget the first half.

VDN you should have pulled the starters after 5 min. They played with the consistancy of warm tapioca. It's your job to motivate them. Why did you design an out of bounds play so BG could shoot a jumper from the wing and miss? Yeah I know they don't contest his shots but there's a reason for that. It's called He Misses A Lot. When we needed a three at the end of the game where were Willie and Caron? LO played great but he's not a "bingo" shooter This is more ridiculous because Willie Guns was so hot. Why for the rest of the game did his butt crack never see the light of day? To quote the ancient martial arts masters "His arse had become one with the bench."

Roni has six fouls DJ has six. Why didn't they knock hell out of Hibbert? Why let him have his sweet spot. Blake never got his. How many FTs did BG shoot of for that matter how many did the whole team shoot? Oh I forgot. You get fouled going to the paint not missing uncontested jumpers.

For the starters Defence was what dey were sitting on while dey watched de other team put de ball in de basket. The Bench Mob defended better than a medieval chastity belt guarded the Princess' goodies

CP3 why didn't you take those jumpers instead of passing the ball?. I loved the Bench Mob but why was our offense Give the ball to Jamal, watch him do the Charleston then shoot? Why don't you use Bledsoe as more of an offensive threat? LO is as good as any PG

I would like to saw this game in half and give a win to the Bench Mob and a blow out against the starters and threaten to start the bench if this sh*t doesn't stop. We should have blown them out

Is DeAndre going to lose minutes to Hollins? Two made foul shots may may make the decision easy.

If Billups were playing we probably would have won. I'm really worried about the Lakers. If we play like this we'll get creamed

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(1) Actually, it's 4 years of coaching... unless you think we've already been knocked out of this year's playoffs (hope or fear?).

(2) If we DO get to the second round (I'm choosing hope), then we should probably see where our strengths and weaknesses are from top to bottom instead of making decisions a month before the games are even played. Call me crazy, but don't teams usually REACT to situations... or should we have traded Livingston a month before he got hurt? If you have a crystal ball... I'll be more than happy to defer to your judgement.

(3) Then let's hope we go for a very deep run... we both win!

Keep rooting for Vinny!*

*(unwillingly)

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Brother, the Clippers winning is way better. Nothing can make me feel better then us winning games we're supposed to win. The spurs loss I was disappointed but it was against the no. 1 west team.

You have it totally wrong. We beat them, period. Eventhough we didn't beat them we really beat them. They know we beat them the times that we beat them. They also know that we beat them the times we didn't beat them.

The answer to this connundrum (sp) is to to learn to beat them when we don't really beat them like it seems every team does to us.

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1) Yes, that's the way it is. We're talking about a guy who has one playoff series win in his five years of coaching. So he deserves no benefit of the doubt until he proves otherwise.

2) Oh, geez. How did I only give one example? My bad! You said less success than last year? Okay, I agree. What about the same success? Meaning another second round exit? That's gotta be a let down after that unbelievable December, amirite? I've already lowered my expectations that I'll be happy with a 2nd round appearance because of how mediocre we've been lately but that sure as hell doesn't mean I'm extending Vinny's leash.

3) Uh yeah, of course I prefer going for the deep playoff run because that gives us more security that CP will stay, not because Vinny will most likely keep his job.

(1) Actually, it's 4 years of coaching... unless you think we've already been knocked out of this year's playoffs (hope or fear?).

(2) If we DO get to the second round (I'm choosing hope), then we should probably see where our strengths and weaknesses are from top to bottom instead of making decisions a month before the games are even played. Call me crazy, but don't teams usually REACT to situations... or should we have traded Livingston a month before he got hurt? If you have a crystal ball... I'll be more than happy to defer to your judgement.

(3) Then let's hope we go for a very deep run... we both win!

Keep rooting for Vinny!*

*(unwillingly)

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No, I meant one playoff series win SO FAR. I'm hoping he can add more in his fifth year.

We have to see our strengths and weaknesses first? I'm pretty sure they've been exposed for a while now. And where did I say decisions should be made now? You seem to confuse jumping the gun with possible scenarios. The same success as last year despite a supposedly improved roster is a good argument that he should be let go. It's not even just the first or second round exit that should be taken into consideration. Our struggles in the regular season and failure to meep up with the elites should be looked at when it comes to Vinny's fate. Livingston? And yet another analogy from you that really is irrelevant. But hey, if winning the first division title, 50 games and season series agains tthe Lakers are enough for you despite another 2nd round exit, then have fun being in the minority again on this board while the rest will not forgive the management for keeping VDN.

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100% agree. They ain't saying anything. They never admitted the dirk flop or Duncan travel, they ain't admitting this.

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Blake acting like a punk of course. Man up, do an interview and admit you suck lately.

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So, he's a punk because he didn't show up for an interview after they lost? I seem to recall many losses he's showed up for in the past. He probably doesn't have much nice to say right now, especially when Vinny is all about what the team is doing wrong and would NEVER admit his own faults. I have to say I certainly don't blame Blake for last night's loss. He played fairly sharp. Was the only guy in double figures by half time. And he went to the basket more in this game than last. Probably because his leg is feeling a little better.

One thing I noticed is during a timeout, the camera was on CP3 and he seemed to be imploring Vinny to draw up a play. He kept asking, "are we going to draw up a play?"...something like that. It was a weird moment. Between Paul waving off Vinny and Griffin admitting their defensive strategy changes per game...at this point there does seem to be a straining relationship between Vinny and the team.

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We suck. And while I don't agree with Griffin's actions I feel his pain, and why he is pissed. He's playing through a swollen leg, he was practically carrying the team on his back few games ago, and no one else is stepping up. Our other guys aren't getting any sht, who are playing like crap and are NOT injured. What have Butler, DJ, Odom, Hill, and Bledsoe done for us lately? Big fat zero. If anything Butler and DJ have been a negative for our team. They were the ones that turned the ball over to start the 10-0 run, THEY'RE the ones playing like crap. Griffin was forced to make the first shot for us, and the best eh got was a fadeaway contested jumper with 1 second on the clock.

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And for not showing up after the game, maybe it was cause he was getting treatement for his leg.

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