In an Alternate Reality, Which Lineup Would You Prefer?

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dkongos
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Now remember guys, this is just for fun, don't take it too seriously.

Now let's imagine we never traded Baron Davis and a first round pick for Mo

Williams. We would have gotten Kyrie Irving in the draft, which in turn would

have changed our entire future. I believe our organization would have

amnestied Baron Davis, re-signed Eric Gordon (due to freed up cap space

from not signing CP3). I'm assuming with a lineup like this we wouldn't have

made the playoffs last year, which would have resulted in a 10th to 15th

1st rounder.

This would have resulted into our alternate lineup looking like this:

PG: Kyrie irving

SG: Eric Gordon

SF: Caron Butler

PF: Blake Griffin

C: DeAndre Jordan

Bench:

Eric Bledsoe

Jamaal Crawford

Moe Harkless

Ronny Turiaf

Ryan Hollins

This is my assumption, but anyways. Which lineup would you have preferred

more? Our current lineup, or the alternate reality lineup?

Remember guys, this is just for fun. No need for any flaming.

Steady818
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The only thing i would take back is drafting al faroq aminu over paul george honestly, at least in recent years... it really was a blessing in disguise by trading eric gordon, i wasn't to happy at the time but the guy is just way too injury prone..

lobcityhawaii
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I would prefer our current lineup. CP3 > Irving. CP3 makes other players better. Irving is a scorer that does not play much defense. Gordon can score well but he plays no defense and gets hurt all the time.

If people are complaining how our perimeter defense sucks now, the alternative lineup is way worse. CP3, Green's defense is way better then Irving and Gordon.

That alternative team may score a lot of points when healthy, but its not a better team and not a team built for winning in the playoffs.

Battlegun
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We most likely would not get the number one pick, due to a different record with Baron.

Hooch20
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Agreed, but things could have been very different. Clips could have drafter George and it still might have been possible to get the first overall pick. Imagine the Clips rolling out a starting five of Irving, Gordon, George, Griffin, and Jordan. That lineup has dynasty written all over it.

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even in this alternate reality im seeing farfetched scenarios. for example, the above post is a nice thought, but we would have 3 max players on there in irving, george and griffin. we just wouldnt be able to keep all of them.

A7XDreamTheaterClipps
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Would've been an exciting term but they'd win 40+ games a year tops. Also, too many kids. DeAndre, Blake, Gordon, Irving, etc with no real veteran leadership to keep the young guys in check.

CP3Heliflopter
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Our current lineup easily. No question. Kyrie Irving and Gordon are less durable than CP3 and thats an accomplishment. Both are one dimensional players that can only score. Kyrie is not a good playmaker. Kyrie Irving and Gordon would be one of the worst defensive backcourts in the league. There is also only one ball. Irving, Gordon, and Blake sharing the ball.... All three are ball dominant. Irving and Gordon are not too useful off the ball.

Not a good fit and to be frank I would take CP3 by himself over overrated Irving and Gordon.

With that lineup we would allow the most 3s in the league and be as bad as the Lakers defensively. Just look at the advanced stats and you can see how vastly superior CP3 is compared to Gordon and Irving combined. Not to mention the terrible fit.

dkongos
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CP3Helifopter....I agree with your statement, but to call Kyrie Irving overrated is pretty ignorant. Also, Eric Gordon when healthy is easily a top 5 SG in this league.

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I feel like you may be giving Gordon a little too much credit.

"When Healthy" seems to be a tall order for EJ.

He has never played a full 82 game season in his entire NBA career.

His best numbers came in a season he only played 56 games, and if i'm not mistaken they weren't consecutive.

Honestly, is he top 5 when healthy? maybe... but he's never been healthy haha, so who knows.

lobcityhawaii
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Players who aren't reliable and aren't on the court much isn't that useful and valuable. Maybe top 5 sg talent, but not top 5 if you get injured and miss a lot of games every year.

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He is overrated. Dude is ranked higher than BG on nba rankings. Why is a player who led his team nowhere and only good at scoring ranked 12th? Like I said overrated and nothing suggests otherwise. His teams record is crap and he has missed so many games this season and last season. He can't play defense and he is a mediocre playmaker.

I hear nonsense like Kyrie is a top 3 PG or will be the best PG in three years. Sorry not seeing it. Hasn't improved much from last year and is made out of glass.

As for the top 5 SG comment.... After Kobe, Wade, Harden there is a massive dropoff in SG talent so being a top 5 SG is really nothing special. I would not even take him over J.R. Smith who is a two way player and not made out of glass. Eric Gordon is a one way player who needs to dominate the ball. I have no clue why people think putting 3 ball dominant players on the same team is a good idea and two of these players are only competent at scoring which makes matters worse.

It works with the Heat big three since all of them are multi-dimensional players. Lebron can do everything. He is even one of the best spot of shooters in the league, great cutter. Wade is great off the ball, at cutting, etc. Bosh can catch and shoot, one of the best mid ranged Js in the league, etc.

This would be a low end playoff seed at best. Assuming the no D backcourt is healthy. I mean really if you don't play it doesn't matter how good you are.

A7XDreamTheaterClipps
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C- Bynum

PF- Gasol

SF- MWP

SG- Kobe

PG- CHRIS PAUL!!! Buahahaha

Ricky
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If we drafted Irving we likely would have traded for Howard.

ohMEohMy!
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I think about that lineup from time to time. Would have been hard to keep all those talented players, but for a few years it would have been amazing!

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ohMEohMy! wrote:
Hooch20 wrote:
Clips could have drafter George and it still might have been possible to get the first overall pick. Imagine the Clips rolling out a starting five of Irving, Gordon, George, Griffin, and Jordan. That lineup has dynasty written all over it.

I think about that lineup from time to time. Would have been hard to keep all those talented players, but for a few years it would have been amazing!

4 max players and an overpaid C. It wouldn't be hard it would be impossible. We would have to trade one if not two players with the new CBA. Otherwise we could get 3 and have no bench and that would still be inferior to the Heat. You can't just throw a bunch of talented players together and expect them to work. That team may be talented but terribly constructed in terms of a chemistry and fit perspective and the backcourt is just abysmal defensively. Not to mention too many ball dominant players. It doesn't spell dynasty it spells low end playoff team or even lottery if that backcourt is injured which is probable.

Clipswhit
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Gordon is a pretty good defensive SG...

CP3Heliflopter
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No he is really bad.... Based on every single statistical measure and eye test. One of the worst starting SGs in the league. Worst than Harden in terms of defense.

Clippersfan86
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Kyrie+Gordon>>CP3 for the future so I'd take them of course.

CP3Heliflopter
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Assuming you can afford to pay 3 max players with the new CBA. Which is why the Big 3 in Miami might break up soon.... No thanks to paying Gordon the max. Not even close to worth it.

Played a total of 50 games in the last 2 seasons. PER of 15.5. TS% of 52.7% and defensive rating of 113. Yikes.

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CP3Heliflopter wrote:
Clippersfan86 wrote:
Kyrie+Gordon>>CP3 for the future so I'd take them of course.

Assuming you can afford to pay 3 max players with the new CBA. Which is why the Big 3 in Miami might break up soon.... No thanks to paying Gordon the max. Not even close to worth it.

Played a total of 50 games in the last 2 seasons. PER of 15.5. TS% of 52.7% and defensive rating of 113. Yikes.

Can't afford 3 max players from next season due to the new CBA rules. Unless you're willing to pay high penalties/tax.

Clippersfan86
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If it's hypothetical, not sure why I can't choose. OP may as well have said "the first option is impossible financially, but choose anyways" which is pointless. The "alternate reality" has better talent and upside.

CP3Heliflopter
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Excluding salary and all that jazz the team might be more talented but do people think it works in terms of fit and chemistry? Kyrie Irving and Eric Gordon basically fulfill the same role and have similar weaknesses.

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That was the big problem with the CP3 tade. One cant deny the fact that CP3 is a talent and quite possibly the best PG in the league, but our acquisition of him called for us to give up Eric Gordon, Al Farouq Aminu, the 10th pick, which ended up being Austin Rivers. And if we hadnt given up Kyrie that core along with Deandre and Blake would have been an amazing core that could have competed fo the next decade.

WE vaulted ourselves up as a contender with CP3, but in doing so we limited ourselves to approximately a 5 year window. CP3 is going to be 28 on May 6. In 5 years his abilities will go down a nothc, and I'm not saying he is on decline but by 33 lets face it players either decline or dont come back fully from injury. Also, our only young guys on the squad are Blake and Deandre, of which the latter many are unhappy with. Butler, Barnes, and Crawford are 33, and Chauncey and Hill are very old.

This is what is alarming to me, and its a big reason why I always preach draft pciks and youth.

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pageC4 wrote:
Clippersfan86 wrote:
Kyrie+Gordon>>CP3 for the future so I'd take them of course.

That was the big problem with the CP3 tade. One cant deny the fact that CP3 is a talent and quite possibly the best PG in the league, but our acquisition of him called for us to give up Eric Gordon, Al Farouq Aminu, the 10th pick, which ended up being Austin Rivers. And if we hadnt given up Kyrie that core along with Deandre and Blake would have been an amazing core that could have competed fo the next decade.

WE vaulted ourselves up as a contender with CP3, but in doing so we limited ourselves to approximately a 5 year window. CP3 is going to be 28 on May 6. In 5 years his abilities will go down a nothc, and I'm not saying he is on decline but by 33 lets face it players either decline or dont come back fully from injury. Also, our only young guys on the squad are Blake and Deandre, of which the latter many are unhappy with. Butler, Barnes, and Crawford are 33, and Chauncey and Hill are very old.

This is what is alarming to me, and its a big reason why I always preach draft pciks and youth.

This is what irks me. If you are going to choose this as a realistic scenario you have to realize that you are looking at 3 max players. Two of which who have similar skillsets and are even more injury prone than CP3.

I only mentioned the cap situation because some people actually think this situation is preferable to what we have and wish this is what the Clippers actually got.

If you think about it we could have had CP3 + Kyrie + BG technically. Kyrie is more of a SG anyway.

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Sometimes I think about this as well. But even if we hadnt traded Baron we were having success on the drafting front having gotten Griffin, Jordan, Gordon the past couple of years. We were headed to the lottery with or without baron, and teh fact that DTS and the front office decided to trade away the most effective means of us improving our roster (lottery pick) made me angry. This is one reason I will forever hate Baron Davis. His lethargy and cancerous ways forced DTS to give up a lottery pick just to get rid of him.

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Its a hypothetical CP3Heliflopter. Also, Gordon is not a max player, and if he wanted to act as if he was we could have pulled a Jame Harden on his ass and trade him for a nice package.

Again, I love CP3 but I just look at the potential decade of contention with a core of Irving, Gordon, Aminu, Griffin, Jordan, and the minny pick that was used on Austin Rivers...wow thats an awesome lineup in my opinion

Clippersfan86
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Actually Kyrie and Gordon would mesh perfectly. Kyrie works primarily from the perimeter where he's a lights out shooter, where as Gordon loves slashing and getting to the line. Gordon is somewhat ball dominant but is also great off the ball.

dkongos
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I don't think most of you guys took into consideration that Kyrie Irving is still on his rookie contract.......which makes a huge difference.

dkongos
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most of you guys have not taken into consideration***

dkongos
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(I'm the one who created this post) Just a heads up I guess.

It's a bit sad that most of you are downplaying Eric Gordon's skills, saying he's incapable to become a great player and that he's terrible

defensively?? I've been a Clipper fan for 10 years, and I've been on clipperstopbuzz for over 5 years, I can clearly remember when

Eric Gordon was on our team, you ALL praised how amazing he was offensively and DEFENSIVELY. Yes, injuries have derailed him, but

it's quite sad how you can put down a players' core characteristics like that, regardless of injuries. I feel that many of you Clipper fans

are just a shade away from becoming Laker fans. I do mean that last statement.

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