Should We Start Hollins In The Playoffs?

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Clippersfan86
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DJ's free throw percentage is still plummeting rapidly. His defense is atrocious. His effort is on and off. The one good thing he's done lately is rebound but that's not enough. I personally think if we started Hollins in the playoffs we will go further.

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No Hollins is god awful defensively. Evidenced by eye test and defensive metrics. He can't play defense without fouling and his defense in general is just bad.

He has a defensive rating of 105. I can pull up other defensive metrics but too lazy atm. He isn't good at all at that end and he averages a god awful 7.1 fouls per 36.

Ok to spot some minutes thats it. He is aggressive but not necessarily in a good way. Plays dumb defense and has little self control.

DJ is still much better especially defensively despite his lapses. Playing aggressive defense does not equal good defense. Especially if you foul every few minutes and put the other team in the penalty and give them Fts.

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I don't necessarily mean to log heavy minutes or anything. I just mean to get us off on the right foot with his heart play and effort. Defensive rating is a bad metric for an individual though. Maybe start Turiaf or Odom then. I just know DJ's the one guy who has a good chance to hurt us come playoff time again this year.

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I just don't get it with these comments. We have the best season in Clipper History all with DJ starting. Broken every Clipper record in the book with DJ starting. Is he great? no, but why all of a sudden in the playoffs he is dead weight?

If struck you gold, does it really matter how you struck it?

There is no need to break up what has been working. No team has ever won 82 games in a season!

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No that would start a chemistry issues. DJ wont like it and will probably start b*tching. Starting is a big deal for players like DJ, its a pride thing. Its doesn't matter who starts, whats important is who finishes the games.

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Its an ok metric there are many other metrics that can prove my point maybe I will pull them up tomorrow. I can't think of a single capable defender that is nearly as foul prone as he is. Its no surprise because Fts are usually the most efficient way to score. Converting fts at 80% for example is like shooting at 80% FG. He also makes the same stupid mistakes DJ makes except he fouls way more which makes him even dumber on that end. He offered less resistance against Cousins than DJ.

I see no point in starting him since no one is going to hack DJ at the start of games + it would kill chemistry.

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OP is off his meds.

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I get where you're coming from, but I disagree with benching DJ now. Like others were saying, it would cause some chemistry issues. But I have at times thought that DJ would be better fit for coming off the bench. It would put less pressure on him and all he would have to do is give really good effort and play defense. Not to mention he would have an easier time competing against the other team's second unit.

However, now its just too late to try that. If VDN was going to move him to the second unit, he should have done it much earlier.

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A_DOG_NAMED_BUD wrote:
Clippersfan86 wrote:
DJ's free throw percentage is still plummeting rapidly. His defense is atrocious. His effort is on and off. The one good thing he's done lately is rebound but that's not enough. I personally think if we started Hollins in the playoffs we will go further.

I get where you're coming from, but I disagree with benching DJ now. Like others were saying, it would cause some chemistry issues. But I have at times thought that DJ would be better fit for coming off the bench. It would put less pressure on him and all he would have to do is give really good effort and play defense. Not to mention he would have an easier time competing against the other team's second unit.

However, now its just too late to try that. If VDN was going to move him to the second unit, he should have done it much earlier.

Only if players were so professional like Willie, sometimes you just have bench them and tell them you have to earn your minutes. But like what you jut said, its too late now.

Clippersfan86
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Sad that we have to baby a player's psyche like this and baby him for fear of chemistry issues.

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It would effect most players. Players like Green are the exception. I am just worried that he doesn't improve and we are stuck with him.

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idk, i dont think it should happen only because he has the length and size to give gasol problems. but if i were vdn, you keep DJ on a tight leash.

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I don't think chemistry would be that hurt. CP3 and Billups are already showing a lot of disdain for DJ after he messes up. Watching CP3 and Billups scold DJ isn't what i would call good chemistry. With that said, I wouldn't bench him, I'd cut his minutes and if games are close entering the 4th, I'd keep him on the bench for good.

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god forbid... im getting sick of him

ClipperB23
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You are getting sick of Hollins? What has he done wrong?

I for one think he's been playing great this season especially as of late despite him fouling a lot.

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lol

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This is a classic 86 reverse jinx lol. Every time he dogs a player they start to play well. Remember green butler cp3 Bledsoe(before the Memphis game) odom! Lets see if it works on dj

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Yes, Willie Green should be the precedent for how to be a true professional. Somehow he's found a way to be one of my favorite Clippers. He's so efficient, it's hard not too to like him. 428% from 3? He just does what's asked of him and never complains. Not to mention he was the starting 2 guard for that entire 17 game winning streak. He's earned my respect. Do you guys think it would be possible to have the smallest second unit ever in Bledsoe, Green, Crawford, Barnes, & Hollins/Odom? We would be able to run and run with the best of them that's for sure.

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DJ should start since he started all season and don't want to mess up the chemistry. I understand your concerns and reasons, but I like Hollins energy off the bench. Once Hollins plays great defense without fouling, then I would understand maybe starting him.

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clipperBryan32 wrote:
clippersforlife33 wrote:
god forbid... im getting sick of him

You are getting sick of Hollins? What has he done wrong?

I for one think he's been playing great this season especially as of late despite him fouling a lot.

he's a fouling machine, worst hands, low iq, always gets 1 or 2 defensive three seconds a game, loves goaltending the ball and makes stupid little mistakes like he did tonight with that technical. marc gasol will eat him alive in the playoffs if he starts.

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clippersforlife33 wrote:
clipperBryan32 wrote:
clippersforlife33 wrote:
god forbid... im getting sick of him

You are getting sick of Hollins? What has he done wrong?

I for one think he's been playing great this season especially as of late despite him fouling a lot.

he's a fouling machine, worst hands, low iq, always gets 1 or 2 defensive three seconds a game, loves goaltending the ball and makes stupid little mistakes like he did tonight with that technical. marc gasol will eat him alive in the playoffs if he starts.

^ Sounds like you got something against the guy, he hasn't been that bad for us and he's actually got a good basketball IQ, he sticks up for his teammates and he's a great FT shooter at least give him some credit. It's not like Hollins is even getting big time money, guys getting paid the minimum and he's doing a good job.

Btw, He didn't get a technical tonight it was just a warning, DeMarcus on the other hand was the one who should of gotten a tech for pushing CP.

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Sorry, 86... I'm too busy to read the whole thread... but, NO.

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^Homeboy sends Hollins mom hate mail.

Hollins is nice, but not a starter.

If Blake's injury turns out to be serious, Vinny would start Odom because he's got more twitter followers.

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Dj has been great as of late on of our main issues through season was our rebounding which hes been doing good in as of late.....in regards to hollins I like his energy and he will be a great tool to use in the 4th quarter when teams try to the hack a shaq strategy on Jordan. I would let dj play in the 4th up until 4 minutes and sub in hollins to play a couple minutes and then re insert dj for the final 2 minutes

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I don't think he should start but I think DJ should play heavy minutes with the second unit.

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Its interesting to debate but I can't see VDN even considering it. Its quite a radical change when DJ has been starting for so long I just can't see it happening at all.

ClipsGForce
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Oh God no! Why do you even bother mess up the tandem of Blake and DJ. DJ is doing just fine.

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Why he has been playing well and us forcing guys into tough shots if they make them there is nothing you can do but just continue to contest. Also no mention of his extra plays we got off back taps.

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Starting does not always mean closing. Why does "playing well recently" always have to be "start this guy!"?

jarca
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Lol. I swear in limited minutes Wayne has been playing well for us lately. We should start him

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He's our 11th or 12th man. He's a vet's minimum guy and pretty much always has been since he got to the NBA. Because of the relative small cost to pay him, he's been a great team member and contributor.

He definitely should not start for us in the PO's. The rotations that have been used for the past few weeks has resulted in us winning our last 7games en route to home court adv. I say keep doing it like you're doing it. It ain't broke right now.

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Where was this ridiculous topic suggestion after DJ won the Memphis game for us? DJ is by far our best center option.

tense2
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Oy vey to this thread.

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I think DJ should start, no question. But you don't even think about letting him take his warm ups off in the last 6 minutes of any game. All around he had been playing better than usual, but his free throw shooting is so unbelievably terrible that you can't even think about puttin him in.

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Coming from the guy who thinks Reggie was "the heart and soul of the team". Do you send Reggie's mom love letters?

I have no problem with Hollins. I even argued that his energy off the bench was sufficient replacement for Reggie's.

Yeah, Odom has more twitter followers... and rebounds... and assists... and rings.

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playoff ro should be starters as is then hollins,odom,barnes,crawford,bledsoe thats who i wud play not in that order i dont think hill and green needs to see minutes if where healthy and tryof unless where blowing some one out

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DJ would be mentally out of the game if we embarrassed him like that. It'd be bad.

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Who knows. Maybe DJ is reading all of this and steps it up to be one of the unexpected playoff performers this year.... Or he'll average 5 and 5 with 18 minutes shooting 28% from the line.

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I nominate this for worst thread of the year. DJ's man goes off against him, yeah. Cousins is a great player, but he's a headcase and the refs were letting him get away with EVERYTHING. Strict refereeing would have got his ass thrown out before he had a chance to do his damage tonight. Hollins can't handle Gasol or Zbo. DJ probably can't either, but he'd do a much better job than Hollins.

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Just saw some interesting facts on ESPNLA

Moreover, Jordan has done a great job inside against Gasol and Randolph, holding them to 44.4 percent and 41.2 percent shooting at the rim, respectively. With Jordan off the floor, Gasol (66.7 percent) and Randolph (50 percent) shoot a lot better, especially with Griffin or Hollins in the middle.

Jordan's length and defensive timing allow him to play the big men one-on-one. In particular, his reach bothers Randolph, who struggles to get clean looks against him. The Clippers have started games by defending Randolph with Jordan but will likely switch up their coverage depending on which big man is playing better.

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stats dont mean sh1t. here at the topbuzz! we have professional scouts, gm, and coaches who use the most powerful device which is the eye test

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You guys are making it WAY more complicated than it was intended to be. I didn't say Hollins is better in general but rather the little he does give is more consistent. He's better at getting the energy and focus up on the team than DJ who constantly blows the most simple things. DJ is the better player but he also makes more mistakes and doesn't play as hard. Seeing Hollins roughing people up really fires up the team.

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jarca wrote:
uncool wrote:
Just saw some interesting facts on ESPNLA

Moreover, Jordan has done a great job inside against Gasol and Randolph, holding them to 44.4 percent and 41.2 percent shooting at the rim, respectively. With Jordan off the floor, Gasol (66.7 percent) and Randolph (50 percent) shoot a lot better, especially with Griffin or Hollins in the middle.

Jordan's length and defensive timing allow him to play the big men one-on-one. In particular, his reach bothers Randolph, who struggles to get clean looks against him. The Clippers have started games by defending Randolph with Jordan but will likely switch up their coverage depending on which big man is playing better.

stats dont mean sh1t. here at the topbuzz! we have professional scouts, gm, and coaches who use the most powerful device which is the eye test

LOL

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So I meant even start Hollins for 5 minutes and pull him for most of the game if need be. Just because DJ's usually the one responsible for the times where we come out of the gate down 10-15 in first quarters and he's blowing it left and right. If DJ could hit free throws it wouldn't be a problem but Hollins shoots 74 percent from the line, DJ shot 11 percent in April and his shot is plummeting fast. I'd wager free throw shooting cost us at least 2-3 games last year in the playoffs, especially vs SA who went to Hack A Shaq early in games with DJ.

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