JR Smith Wins 6th Man

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Jerediscool
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... -1.1324025

Whelp, that sucks..... Time to win a championship


Clippersfan86
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Crawford needs to use that as motivation and dominate the playoffs.


Jerediscool
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Totally agree.... not that he really needs more motivation, just more accuracy haha


Clippersfan86
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I personally think its bullshit JR was allowed to win considering he plays 35 mpg. The limit should be 30. Otherwise teams can play a guy 40 min a game off the bench and won it? Makes no sense. Adjusted for minutes, Crawford was better.


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Totally agree and would want Jamal over JR any day.


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Jamal got ROBBED!! Sad


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I hate the media and there influence on others , JC was robbed and was a true difference maker in gms !! Wow more than ever we need to win the nba championship and silence the f--k media Crawford u have the green light now go get 50 tonite


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jamal played 4 less minutes, scored more efficiently, and did it more consistently. Whatever man, I'm not gonna be too pissed about this. JC will get it next season, doesn't look like he's slowing down any time soon.


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We had more wins than new york but i guess the knicks is a bigger market than the clippers so that's how the nba decided who'll win


tense2
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The "Wow" points did it again, lol, oh well.

By the way if they limit the MPG to 30, Jamal wouldn't have won it in 09/10 when averaged 31.1 MPG. More weigh should be given to the "whole" picture then just PPG average IMO.


ekker3
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postseason awards not named MVP are irrelevant anyways.

JR wins 6th man, JCrossover wins a ring Wink


tense2
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Really Jerediscool??...their basically the same player with the reb edge to Smith and the FT shooting to Jamal.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... hjr01.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... fja01.html

Wonder where Barnes ended up on these voters score card.


Clippersfan86
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Tense not everything is about the actual numbers. Smith is a more rounded player but he's also less efficient and Jamal plays way less minutes. Not to mention Crawford was the 3rd best 4th quarter player in the entire NBA this year after Durant and Kobe which is HUGE for a 6th man, let alone any player.


smittywerb
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These awards stopped being credible a while ago.


david
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That sucks. It was a close race and Jamal should have gotten the nod.


tense2
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Actually it is about actual numbers, it just depends on what "actual" numbers your looking at. There's more ways to help produce wins then just ppg.


Voyeur
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I wouldn't want to get on Jamal's bad side. lol

Still it was definitely between those two. For the whole year Jamal was the leader because he was doing what 6th men are supposed to do. Come in and explode. Heck he was even one of the most effective players in the whole NBA in the 4th quarter. What we've seen out of the Knicks though is a team that desperately needed a #2 guy next to Melo. That had to be Smith...yet they still had him coming off the bench.


ClipperB23
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Jamal Crawford>JR Smith. Championship>6th Man


ClippersDA
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I'm worried he will be in a funk


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tense2 wrote:
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Tense not everything is about the actual numbers. Smith is a more rounded player but he's also less efficient and Jamal plays way less minutes. Not to mention Crawford was the 3rd best 4th quarter player in the entire NBA this year after Durant and Kobe which is HUGE for a 6th man, let alone any player.

Actually it is about actual numbers, it just depends on what "actual" numbers your looking at. There's more ways to help produce wins then just ppg.

Sounds like you prefer looking at boxscores rather than watching games. Numerically they are on par no doubt but Jamal has a much greater knack for taking over and hitting timely shots. How many times has he singlehandedly carried us in the 4th quarters with his scoring? Had JR not had an insane 2-3 week run recently he would not have won it. My main gripe is that he plays about 35 minutes a game to Crawford's 30. At 35 minutes a game.. he's basically coming in 1-2 minutes after tip off.. where as Crawford doesn't even get in a lot of 1st quarters.


tense2
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Stop with the not watching games stuff all ready, I can do both equally well lol.

Your a fan I understand. I'm sure the fans in NY "think" they got it right too.

As far as mpg, it is what it is until they (if ever) change the requirements.

With that said, don't really (and sure Jamal doesn't either) care if he won the award or not. I know what kind of job Jamal did for the team and that's all thats important to me. We have bigger "fish" to fry. wink


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No doubt Jr deserved consideration, not taking it away from him. Just don't like a guy getting starter minutes and coming in games 1-2 minutes in and still being able to get the award.


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I suspect if we were the only team in the NBA none of our players would win


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I don't disagree witht he decision. JR Smith deserved it, as did Jamal. It could've gone either way. No way Jamal got "robbed."


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That poor stretch Crawford had in March is what decided it. He wasn't as consistant then as he was earlier in the season. But it's alright, nothing to be ashamed of. JR Smith won the award fair and square and I will tip my cap to him. I just hope hope Jamal doesn't become discouraged and his play suffers as a result.


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Only because he's a better locker room guy, and is more intelligent. They are both notorious chuckers IMO. Crawford was on fire early on but then he reverted back to his inefficient ways.


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Crawford came out of the gates on fire, and at times he would cool down and not do too much. Smith is a ball hog like Crawford. Crawford to me, doesn't make as many poor decisions as Smith does over his career.

Knicks desperately needed Smith more than we needed Crawford this season. With Amare out for a large chunk of time, Kidd missing time, Shumpert out etc. it was almost a certainty that Smith would end up posting large numbers. You have to look at it like this too, the Knicks went from what, the 8th seed to the #2 seed in the East, that's a huge jump. We went from the 5 to the 4 seed.

Both players had great years and I don't think it's a giant deal Crawford didn't get it. I'm more worried about what the team does. It's nice to have All Stars, All NBA players, Defensive player team honors etc. but I would really like to see this team at the very least reach the Conference Finals.


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Sure Jamal wasn't "robbed" because Jr had a case too. Just tired of the Clippers in general getting snubbed so consistently. I remember multiple years where Brand clearly deserved to be an all star yet the ONLY year he made it was the year he put up a monster 25 ppg, 10 rpg, 3 apg, 2.5 bpg. Just used to so many times when it's a 50/50 chance being snubbed. What's more angering is that this voting wasn't close. Jr basically won handily.


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Yeah it boggles the mind sometimes how the voting is done when the results show up. For some awards you would think that the voting would be closer or a few others guys may get a couple votes but nope, doesn't happen.

I find it extremely odd when I ask people about who should get an award and I hear like 3 names but 1 guy wins the award with like 90% of the votes. This goes for all sports actually. I know were fans and not paid writers, analysts, coaches, hall of famers etc but I would like to think that there are fans out there who have good knowledge about sports, and perhaps know MORE than some of these writers and analysts out there. I'm not claiming to be one of them but we'll see what happens when the Def Player of the Year award is being voted on. If Larry Sanders doesn't get at least 20% of the vote the entire system is a sham. Guy put up like 10 boards and 3 blocks in I believe 25-26 MPG because the coaches there are turds and have no idea how to run a team. Those are amazing numbers considering. Give him 10 more MPG to play a solid 35 MPG and he'll easily get 12-13 boards and 4.5 blocks.


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Jamal is the more efficient scorer. Smith is the better defender. Its close. Its not a travesty that Smith got it though I think Crawford should have got it. 6th men should not be playing starter minutes.


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Would've liked to see Jamal win it, yet I cannot deny J.R. deserved it. I saw so many games where he carried the Knicks many times this season when so many Knicks palyers went down. Again Dude deserved it.


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smh. if jamal was a flaker, he would have won it without a doubt. whatever, all that matters is that the clippers keep on winnning


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bullterrierclipsfan1349 wrote:
Clippersfan86 wrote:
I personally think its bullshit JR was allowed to win considering he plays 35 mpg. The limit should be 30. Otherwise teams can play a guy 40 min a game off the bench and won it? Makes no sense. Adjusted for minutes, Crawford was better.

smh. if jamal was a flaker, he would have won it without a doubt. whatever, all that matters is that the clippers keep on winnning

agree. same reason kobe was like all defensive first team for like x consecutive years


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crawford was more consistent that jr smith. the clippers always get snubbed in close award races. smith essentially played starter minutes. case in point, the last month of the season. he was playing close to 38 min a game.


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The last Clipper to win one of the major individual awards other than Blake's ROY was Bobby Simmons when he won the Most Improved Player award in 2005. So much for that award since he was never the same after that. lol


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Jamal's going for 25+ tonight.


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J.R. went absolutely berserk during the final stretch of the season. He was the second leading bench scorer a little over a month ago then boosted his numbers to almost 2+ ppg more than Crawford. He finished strong while Jamal finished luke warm.


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^playing close to 38 mpg. big difference.


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bullterrierclipsfan1349 wrote:
Clippersfan86 wrote:
I personally think its bullshit JR was allowed to win considering he plays 35 mpg. The limit should be 30. Otherwise teams can play a guy 40 min a game off the bench and won it? Makes no sense. Adjusted for minutes, Crawford was better.

smh. if jamal was a flaker, he would have won it without a doubt. whatever, all that matters is that the clippers keep on winnning

A Faker or an east coast team gives you a better chance

Hell, we can win the Finals this year and whoever we beat would have the MVP of the Finals,,not us.


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FightOnRon wrote:
bullterrierclipsfan1349 wrote:
Clippersfan86 wrote:
I personally think its bullshit JR was allowed to win considering he plays 35 mpg. The limit should be 30. Otherwise teams can play a guy 40 min a game off the bench and won it? Makes no sense. Adjusted for minutes, Crawford was better.

smh. if jamal was a flaker, he would have won it without a doubt. whatever, all that matters is that the clippers keep on winnning

A Faker or an east coast team gives you a better chance

Hell, we can win the Finals this year and whoever we beat would have the MVP of the Finals,,not us.

IF we were to win the finals, the losing team can have the MVP award. It would be a consolation prize I wouldn't mind losing.


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tense2 wrote:
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Totally agree and would want Jamal over JR any day.

Really Jerediscool??...their basically the same player with the reb edge to Smith and the FT shooting to Jamal.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... hjr01.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... fja01.html

Wonder where Barnes ended up on these voters score card.

Yea man really. JR Smiths whole career he has been a headcase and been a problem to his team. This year he wasn't. BUt jamaal has always been a great character guy and a great team mate.

And since they put up the same numbers basically, I would take the guy who has less baggage. That and Crawford is a lot of fun to watch dance around.


REDUCE523
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Crawford got robbed. JR plays starter minutes.


ClipperKarma
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ROBBERY Of The Decade!!!! I'm MAD!!


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On the bright side he was on the team radar during the off season, so it just proves the front office is thinking right.


clipperboy24
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+1. This was a tight race and jr smith had a huge impact off the bench for the Knicks just like Jamal did here. Also the Knicks roster sucks compared to the clipps so i think it was a fair decision


tense2
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Fortunately character/personality types should never figure into who should win awards like this. It's all based on performance which it must be, if not the HOF in most sports might have a lot less guys in them, lol.


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