Clippers Vs. Grizzlies 4-27-13 Playoff Thread Gm. 4 (P. 15)

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slipperyball
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When playing a team like Memphis, Clippers need a medium range shooting "4" or "5" to pull out Gasol. Dj can't shoot, dribble, or do anything on offense that challenges their big men or forces them to move. Kaman at least gave BG some room to operate. On defense, he has no idea how to position himself, no timing, no boxing out skills. Clippers can still win, but their second unit must carry them. The front office knows (hopefully) what they need, and they'll be much better next year. They also have to get rid of old, decrepit players i.e. Billups, Hill, and Odom. The real threats in the future will be Denver, Golden state and Oklahoma.

Memphis and Clippers ended up just about where they belong in the standings. IMO, neither team is championship calibre.

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DeAndre Jordan can certainly do a better job. This forum is all about speaking your mind, but when you start tweeting to the player such a negative message, that's going too far IMO. As long as he is a Clipper, I will support and root for him and all other Clippers. You can do better DJ- I know you will man. That goes for the rest of the team as well- Blake, CP, Chauncey, Caron, Bench Mob, VDN.

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It seriously makes me laugh and shake my head at the stupidity of DJ's defense on Marc Gasol. You KNOW he's lights out from like 15 feet.. yet EVERY SINGLE TIME you back off him and give him a wide open shot. What's equally as sad is when he does get up on Gasol.. he lets the much slower guy blow by him with crossovers and get easy hook shots. In other words his defensive failures make him a liability in all facets of the post. If he's not defending he's literally worthless. Therefor he has no business being in games. At least Hollins and Turiaf will make hustle plays and give hard fouls.

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I commend your loyalty to these players, I really do. I don't think disliking a player on your team is a moral issue though. I've been like this from day one which is why I still have a strong disdain for Andre Miller who was a punk in the short time he was here.

I think DJ doesn't understand how good he has it and my tweet was honestly more of a reminder at the time. I think if DJ gets traded to a lotto team his life is really going to become miserable. No more best buddies around him, no PG like CP3 to spoon feed him all game. No more LA night life and nice weather. He will likely lose the starting job too and be a bench guy who's out of the league in 3 years.

If he wants to avoid this outcome he NEEDS to step up. Not just a little bit but A LOT. I'm fair in my criticism I feel because it's not me just blasting him over a bad game. Everybody has bad games... but DJ has a good game once every blue moon and it's ALWAYS because of effort+attitude that he doesn't have it more often. Because we know he has the skills and tools to dominate regularly.

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Okay just watched from where I had stopped- 66-62 Memphis. We had actually cut it to 2 before Gasol hit a jumper over Turiaf to stretch it to 4 at the end of 3. Before that there was a bad 3 point shot by Lamar- he should never settle for that unless we have a big lead. To start the 4th, Turiaf then allowed Gasol to pass over his head to a cutting Pondexter to draw the foul. Defending Gasol around the free throw circle, you have to always keep one arm up- not only to challenge the possible jumper but also to prevent a pass to a cutter.

Pondexter then hit a long ass 3 to stretch the lead to 9 after Barnes missed a jumper. Bledsoe gets a layup, but then Odom fouls Gasol. Wild 3 by Jamal misses. Randolph tosses up an air ball, but then we can't get the rebound. Gasol gets fouled by Turiaf, then later in the possession Gasol hits a jumper over Turiaf. Gasol then turn around jumper over Turiaf again.

CP3 turns it over, Conley layup to stretch it to 10, 82-72. Blake misses vs Gasol, Randolph passes to a cutting Allen, layup and 1. Lead extended to 13. Bledsoe misses, then CP sags off Conley who hits a 3 to stretch it 16- game over.

DJ's fault I suppose, LOL.

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Meh... they get paid a lot of money to receive critical tweets.

As long as it's not anything threatening or abusive to their families, I'll stay out of it. These days, it's a part of being famous.

If DJ doesn't like it, he should stay off twitter. Actually, he should spend his twitter-time shooting FT's anyway... can you tweet that to him for me, '86? Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_08

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^^Yeah I think the players can handle it, but I just wonder WTH is the purpose of an abusive tweet like that, and I certainly don't agree with it, especially by a moderator of CTB. I just can't have a mod, a rep of the site, tweeting abuse to players.

But back to the game- in the 4th, the Grizz made shots, and we did not. We GOT STOPS, but we did not secure the rebound. I think that adjustment-wise, if you are not going to have DJ on Gasol, Hollins should be on him instead because of Ryan's length. Ronny can guard Zach instead. We just need to have Ryan not foul too much. And again you work so hard to get a stop, but if you don't secure the rebound, then you're screwed. Even if the guys don't make shots, they better crash the boards.

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^ Maybe... just maybe, it'll put a rocket up DJ's arse... and I'm all for that.

You're totally right about the rebounding. For me, the best part of our performances in the first 2 games was that our whole team was rebounding... Caron was a beast on the boards and in game 1, Bledsoe had as many as Randolph and Gasol combined!

We had it right when Blake and DJ were boxing out and letting the wings grab the boards. This seems like yet another time when our team is too busy listening to the media about what they "should" be doing ("why don't their bigs rebound better?") instead of just doing whatever wins games.

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no, but DJ played like s*** today. gave easy uncontested shots to gasol. i feel the game went away when del negro insisted on keeping turiaf in. hes just a smaller version of DJ. same lack of skill. hollins can actually finish dunks and make ft's, not to mention hes 7 feet. hell, even odom could serve as a facilitator or a stretch 4 since gasol has to step out to cover him.

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Well said. Clips in 6

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sorry. Biggest play of the game was the inbound pass to Gasol with .6 secs to shoot (where was DJ?) til that point it was a see-saw battle. after that memphis went on a run. Back breacker. Not blaming it all on DJ but that was a huge mistake.

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My point was that there was all this focus on blaming DJ, but yet the game got out of hand when he was not in there. And these DJ-trolls are all quiet when another player is getting schooled by Gasol.

I actually don't mind Lamar guarding Gasol, just as long as Lamar is not guarding Zach. Lamar can give a good challenge on the jumper and move his feet against the drive as well. Ryan is a good choice too, but he just has to not foul as much.

With Lamar too I think he needs to stop shooting 3's. If he is that wide open, step in a little and shoot the 18 footer, or make the D come to you and dish.

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That was a dumb play by DJ. But if that was a back-"breakcer" then damn this team is beyond all hope, lol. I mean it was a 2 point game and then Marc Gasol hits a jumper to end the 3rd quarter to stretch it to 4.

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david wrote:
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sorry. Biggest play of the game was the inbound pass to Gasol with .6 secs to shoot (where was DJ?) til that point it was a see-saw battle. after that memphis went on a run. Back breacker. Not blaming it all on DJ but that was a huge mistake.

That was a dumb play by DJ. But if that was a back-"breakcer" then damn this team is beyond all hope, lol. I mean it was a 2 point game and then Marc Gasol hits a jumper to end the 3rd quarter to stretch it to 4.

yes sir i understand you point. but we all saw it happened. it was a good defensive stop. heck dj got a block and jamal decided it was fun and got one himself. then dj slept and gasol hit the shot.

Momentum shifter. the crowed really got into it. we know this team gets rattled easy. Memphis took that momentum and ran away from us.

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^^I agree it was a momentum shifter, but ultimately a 4 point game going into the 4th, if you want to be a championship level team, you have to be able to bounce back from way worse situations and do better than getting blitzed like that in the final quarter. We can't fall asleep on the the cutter/pass to the cutter, we can't shoot low % shots, not rebound, etc.

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^^i agree. clips need to do a better job. Focus on the task at hand.

Also im getting tired of seing tony allen score at will at times. someone has to be able to stay infront of him.

Butler and billups need to step up or its time for vinny to play green and hill.

And paul to score in 4th qrt. did he go scoreless again?

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You make a very good point.

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So we let a team not known for scoring many pts put 104 on us so D is an obvious issue, we played 3 great quarters but fell apart in the 4th and that can be attributed to some poor substitution/lineups, I'm with some people, always a lil iffy about billups starting, he just hasn't played enough this year to warrant that spot, green is bigger, faster with more pop to his game and despite inconsistency still a good shooter and finisher at the basket, and ffs can someone tell these guys that its the PO harden up and put in some hard fouls, the amount of 3pt plays or potential and1s is just sickening, not looking forward to game 5 at all

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^ i agree with u to a certain extent. id love to see willie in there. and we need to commit much harder fouls. enough with allowing the refs to call touch fouls. make them count. also, enough of keeping hollins on the bench and having turiaf get manhandled in the paint by gasol. we need length.

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Not gonna be six man. Sorry to rain on your parade, but the Grizzlies just showed why they are the 5th best team and they are making a war of it. It will take all 7 games

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This series is going to 7. I hope I'm wrong. This is why homecourt is so big.

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I would love it to take only 6 but it looks like it is going to 7 from where we are right now!!

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pageC4 wrote:
REDUCE523 wrote:
Well said. Clips in 6
Not gonna be six man. Sorry to rain on your parade, but the Grizzlies just showed why they are the 5th best team and they are making a war of it. It will take all 7 games

I agree, it will probably take 7 games. If we win in 7 games I will still be happy. As long as we advance!

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