What Are the Repercussions of Losing in the 1st Round?

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dkongos
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I've been a fan of the Clippers since I was in 5th grade, I grew up with

Q-Rich, Darius Miles, and Odom..and living in L.A. I've always been verbally

destroyed by every single Laker fan out there. It never bothered me

though, because I knew we would have our time to shine sooner or later.

Fast forward 10 or so years, we've hit huge accolades in terms of the regular

season, but we took a step back in terms of improving in the playoffs. This

has been tough for me to swallow, this is the first time in my life that it's

become extremely difficult to be a loyal Clippers fan. Now, we must deal

with the repercussions of getting bounced from the 1st round.

Admit it everyone, if New York coughs up the money and willingly goes over

the luxury tax, they do have a shot of stealing CP3 from us. Stop ignoring

it, he has a good chance of leaving.

What will we do if CP3 leaves?

Here are the guarantees

1: Fire Vinny Del Negro

2: Get rid of Odom ASAP

  1. Sign Bledsoe to an extension.
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I think you need to understand how the luxury tax and cap work.

Next season, the Knicks will have a salary of 74 million. They're already in the luxury tax. The cap for this season was 58 million and luxury tax threshold at 70 million. In order for the Knicks to sign him in FA, the knicks have to be somewhere around 38 million in total cap. If your next comment is about signing and trading, here is my answer:

This offseason, teams in the luxury tax cannot sign and trade a player. they can't receive a player that was just signed to be traded to them. Basically, if the knicks were willing to sign him for a trillion dollars, the CBA prevents them from signing him as a FA.

dkongos
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No, I do have a general idea of how the luxury tax works. With the new implemented system, for every year after being above the luxury tax it'll cost an extra dollar for every dollar spent. So for 2 years in the luxury tax, I believe it would cost an extra 2 dollars per every dollar spent. I might be wrong here, but my point is that the Knicks do have a decent shot at CP3. Their payroll is around 70mil right now, and if they somehow got rid of Amare their chances are huge.

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Even with Amar'e amnestied, they'd have less than 8 million in cap space. They won't get any takers for his uninsured 21.7 million contract.

Like I said, they will have 74.7 million in committed salary next season so if you dump Amar'e's 21.7 million, you'd be left with 53 million in committed salary. That's actually only 5 million left to spend. Since they'd fall below the cap, they can't exceed it even if they wanted to. they'd obviously have a the mini mle but that would be it.

If CP3 is willing to take 5 million then there is a chance he is a knick next season.

CP3Heliflopter
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There is no chance he is going to be a Knick even if they could dump Amare which they can't.

The only teams that can acquire CP3 are the Hawks or the Mavericks. CP3 is not leaving.

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I think the repercussion of losing in round 1 could be grave. At this point is his career Chris Paul only cares about winning. If money was his only concern he would have stayed in New Orleans and just signed a monster deal there. He wanted out of New Orleans because the front office kept making so many bad decisions that he knew they were headed nowhere. I think that after this series loss he may not feel his chances for winning are the best. I dont know how he views what the front office did since hes been here. In my opinion i do feel that the first year CP3 was here we had a good collection of players, but we were very heavy in the backcourt and very light up front. Also, the team was not quite the same team without chauncey in year one. The following offseason the front office brought in Crawford, Odom, Barnes, and others to shore up a bench that was very exposed when chauncey went down. So I think the front office addressed getting CP3 support. However, three things happened that we couldnt quite forsee.

  1. chauncey never fuly returned from that injury..hes just not the same

  2. Caron finally started to look like a limite, one dimensional 33 year old player.

  3. DJ proved he had reached his ceiling and 8PPG, 8RPG was his peak

Now we see that three factors (players) from last year downgraded. Essentially that left the team with 2 consistent starters (Blake and Chris), and a good bench (not enough to proceed past the 1st round). To boot, the biggest factor for success/failure for the team (Vinny Del Negro) was still under debate, and finally after a shocking 1st round exit we now know he isnt the right coach.

Now I do feel that those four factors need to be addressed in order to give Chris the idea that we arent going to settle for a 1st round exit.

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Its true that CP3 wants to win because if he doesn't win anything then his legacy as a player is ruined. People are already criticizing him for this first round exit even though he played extremely well against some of the league's best perimeter defenders at that. However, there is no other team that he can join that gives him a better chance to win. The only chance is to team up with Dwight. They already tried teaming up once but it didn't work due to Dwight's indecisiveness. CP3 will stay put.

I definitely feel that this team is really close to contending. There are flaws but most of them can be easily addressed.

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Most sensible thing on this thread.

(apart from Joe stating that basically I have more chance of joining the knicks than CP3)

ClippersDA
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I just don't know why he has to be so cagey. This team failed but unless he demanded DJ be traded at the deadline he has nothing to complain about. Vinny is a goner, and they will hire who he wants

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Yup.

Remember the all-star interviews where Blake was basically saying "whatever it takes to win" in regard to the Garnett trade, but CP3 gave the impression of "we're already good to go".

Score one for Vinny on that deal. He was the only guy who saw that we have a f***** ghost/clown for a center.

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Holding you to all of this, you have to promise.

lobcityhawaii
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Pretty much agree. We are very close to contending. Winning here would be tremendous to his legacy, considering the franchises past failures and bad luck.

FightOnRon
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Cagey usually never works out for the fans,,,, just say'in

lucas26
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I think Byron Scott will get an interview along w/ Mcmillan as potential candidates.

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I'd say there is a better chance LeBron is traded to the Bobcats than CP3 going to the Knicks. It will take hell of a rebuilding project by the Knicks if they want to sign CP3 as a FA!

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cleepers wrote:
ClippersDA wrote:
I just don't know why he has to be so cagey. This team failed but unless he demanded DJ be traded at the deadline he has nothing to complain about. Vinny is a goner, and they will hire who he wants

Yup.

Remember the all-star interviews where Blake was basically saying "whatever it takes to win" in regard to the Garnett trade, but CP3 gave the impression of "we're already good to go".

Score one for Vinny on that deal. He was the only guy who saw that we have a f***** ghost/clown for a center.

Actually I heard CP3 was pushing hard for the DJ for KG trade but when questioned about it he said that he had nothing to do with it to not ruin chemistry.

He was also pushing for Ariza for Butler. Ariza isn't very good offensively but he is the better all around player and 10x the defender.

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CP3Heliflopter wrote:
cleepers wrote:
ClippersDA wrote:
I just don't know why he has to be so cagey. This team failed but unless he demanded DJ be traded at the deadline he has nothing to complain about. Vinny is a goner, and they will hire who he wants

Yup.

Remember the all-star interviews where Blake was basically saying "whatever it takes to win" in regard to the Garnett trade, but CP3 gave the impression of "we're already good to go".

Score one for Vinny on that deal. He was the only guy who saw that we have a f***** ghost/clown for a center.

Actually I heard CP3 was pushing hard for the DJ for KG trade but when questioned about it he said that he had nothing to do with it to not ruin chemistry.

He was also pushing for Ariza for Butler. Ariza isn't very good offensively but he is the better all around player and 10x the defender.

DJ for KG straoight up would have been good, but i was against that trade for one big reason...it included Bledsoe. Bledsoe is a uge bargaining chip and if hes involved in a trade we better be getting a player back that has a shelf life of 10 years, not a hall of famer in his twilight. So the DJ for Garnet deal was bad thinking and its a godsend it didnt happen.

As for Butler for Ariza, we f***ed up on that one. We could ahve improved drastically on that one

lobcityhawaii
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^yup ariza was a way better defender, more athletic, quicker. He shot 36.4% from 3's.

CP3Heliflopter
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It was a high cost, win now type of move. In terms of value Bledsoe may be worth more but KG and Ariza would have pushed us over the edge. No way do we lose to the Griz with KG. KG would have limited Zbo or Marc Gasol greatly. We would have definitely beaten the Thunder without WB as well and would have a good chance against the Spurs.

Its not like VDN played Bledsoe much minutes anyway. We would not get fair value for Bledsoe but it could have pushed us over the top.

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No doubt that having KG and Ariza this year would have put us over the top, but overall you dont make a move that makes you better one year but compromises your future. That was the big issue, and Bledsoe himself is a huge piece we can use to get at the minimum a draft pick and solid vet. Im glad that one didnt happen.

CP3Heliflopter
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I never said we should have done the deal but I get the logic. I especially understand why VDN pushed for it so hard considering he wanted to save his own hide and for some reason he never played Bledsoe enough minutes.

The Ariza deal we definitely should have done though.

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